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Conference moira::parenting

Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
Moderator:GEMEVN::FAIMANY
Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1292
Total number of notes:34837

597.0. "Ten Year Olds" by BGSDEV::STEGNER () Fri Oct 01 1993 13:30

    My oldest son (almost 10) is normally a joy to be around.  He tends to
    be very mature, and normally is very laid back.  Lately, though,
    he's been a real pain.  He's doing stuff that he knows is wrong (and
    has known for years), or he's been really moody.  
    
    For example, when I picked them up at daycare the other day, I came in 
    just in time to see Chris taking his little brother's (4 years old) 
    baseball cards out of his bag, and tucking them under his jacket.  I asked 
    him what he was doing, and he said, "Nothing."  I told him to give the 
    cards to me, and he did.  Then he was angry, and stormed off to the
    car.
    
    Later we talked about why it's wrong to take other people's things, and
    how rotten he would feel if someone took his stuff.  We also discussed
    lying, and how that affects people's relationships.  Part of me was
    thinking, "Why are we going over this again?  I thought he already
    knew this stuff."
    
    Nothing has changed in his life, as I can see.  He's in the fourth 
    grade, has a bunch of friends, and is doing very well in school.  He
    also plays soccer (and basketball) in the town's youth league. 
    Nothing's changed at home.
    
    So, you parents of older kids...  Is 10 a particularly hard age?  Do 
    10-year-olds concentrate just on what *they* want, or something?  Is
    he just testing, or did he really not understand/accept what's
    acceptable and what isn't?
                       
    Jeeze, the first kid's always the hardest...
    
    Pam
                              
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597.1FSDEV::MGILBERTEducation Reform starts at home....Fri Oct 01 1993 14:163
Welcome to the beginning of the adolescent period.

The word speaks for itself  - Less Sense.
597.2Arrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!BOOKIE::STEGNERFri Oct 01 1993 14:331
    Oh, nooooooo..  It's worse than I thought!  :-)
597.3KAOFS::S_BROOKDENVER A Long WayFri Oct 01 1993 14:4424
Noting unique about 10 per se ... it could be 9, 11, 12, 30, but this kind
of behaviour happens and it usually is a need for some kind of attention
at home.  There is usually something bothering them, but they cannot
necessarily even identify it themselves.

Talk about looking for something and not knowing what it is you are looking
for!

Basically, you've got to try to keep the communication lines open, and
try to avoid satisfying their desire for negative attention, and cultivate
giving positive attention where you can.

In the case of the cards ... a simple ... "I think we'll save a lot of fuss
if those cards were to find their way back into your brothers bag now" will
work ... He knows right and wrong so you don't need to go over it with him.
Then follow up with "Do you want some cards too ?" ... then work out some
way for him to have some.

Eventually, you may actually find out what is inducing this behaviour, and
it can be something as simple as "I need more allowance" ... but they are
too afraid to ask.

Stuart

597.4FSDEV::MGILBERTEducation Reform starts at home....Fri Oct 01 1993 15:0312
The 10-15 age group has some pretty interesting baggage. My suggestion 
would be to watch your local papers for workshops on adolescent parenting.
There really isn't a whole lot you can do with them other than try to
understand what's going on and beginto develop some strategies to deal
with it. I've heard that there's a new book out that deals quite well
with this age group. I don't remember the author but the title is
"Get out of my life - but before you do could you drive me and 
Cheryl to the mall". I attended a workshop last week but I don't
have my notes with me. If I remember I'll throw a few tidbits in here
next week.

Mike (who has a son 14, a daughter 13, and a daughter 10).
597.5Me, too!CSC32::J_NOTTINGHAMMon Nov 29 1993 14:239
    Well, I am certainly glad that I'm not the only Mom with a
    ten-almost-eleven-year-old boy who seems to be going through the
    terrible twos all over again.  He is really pushing me and it's
    getting harder to deal with every day.
    
    I was wondering if we were beginning adolescence - I guess we
    are.  At least we're not alone :-)
    
    Jonnie
597.6Me too!MKOTS3::NICKERSONMon Nov 29 1993 15:3216
    You're DEFINITELY not alone!  I have a son who just turned ten.  He can
    be the most wonderful person to be around one minute and the next
    minute become a snarling mass of anger.  We had a run in this morning
    regarding homework - he suddenly remembered (at 7:45) that he had some
    - no matter that he had FOUR DAYS to do it!  He was doing it in front
    of the TV and I told him in a calm voice to please come into the
    kitchen to finish up so that he wouldn't be distracted.  After asking
    him four times he finally came in with the comment that I was the
    "meanest mom in the world".  That got him grounded until Thursday (in
    his room as soon as he gets home from school - can come down for supper
    and then right back).
    
    If my other two become like this I think I'll move out until they're
    all in college! ;>}
    
    Linda
597.7If you're the meannest Mom . . .CSC32::J_NOTTINGHAMTue Nov 30 1993 09:4515
    Linda,
    
    You just perfectly described Jeff's behaviour for the last few months. 
    I have also gotten the "meannest Mom in the world" comment several
    times.  But five minutes later he will be sitting in my lap giving hugs
    and kisses!
    
    We also have had the homework problem.  However, the teachers at Jeff's
    school are really good about letting me know when things get behind and
    we all work very closely together to help Jeff stay on task.  But this
    is a problem that been going on since he started school so I think it
    is separate from the "ten-year-old" stuff.  We have put a desk in his
    room and he is *NEVER* allowed to do his homework anyplace else.
    
    BTW - If you're the meannest Mom, how can I be the meannest Mom?  ;-)
597.8Meanest mom by region?MKOTS3::NICKERSONTue Nov 30 1993 10:018
    Maybe I'm the East Coast Meanest Mom and you're the Mountain Region
    Meanest Mom.
    
    Anyway,  my son was a bit more subdued yesterday.  We had a talk and he
    knows why he's being punished.  I figure ONE of these days he'll figure
    things out...
    
    Linda
597.9I've had it for MANY years... you can't have it!MVDS02::BELFORTIPFYOWSTue Nov 30 1993 13:367
    Sorry to burst your bubbles, ladies... but I have Meanest Mom of the
    Year all locked up, and have had for at least the past 15 years... Just
    ask Brent who is 20 (and just starting to realize that Mom may not be
    all that bad.. Oh no, there goes that coveted award) and Sarah, who
    just turned 18 and I am usually still the MMofY!

    M-L
597.10CSC32::S_BROOKThere and back to see how far it isTue Nov 30 1993 14:403
    No No No !  My wife is teh Meanest Mom ... ask our 9 year old!
    
    Stuart
597.11Meanest Dad's?MKOTS3::NICKERSONTue Nov 30 1993 15:276
    Oh great - you mean I get to be Meanest Mom until my youngest is 20! 
    He's only 4.5 now!
    
    How come no "Meanest Dad's" are reporting in?
    
    L
597.12GAVEL::PCLX31::satowgavel::satow, dtn 223-2584Tue Nov 30 1993 15:549
>    How come no "Meanest Dad's" are reporting in?

I'm a dad of many skills.

To my 10 year old son, I am the meanest.

To my 13 year old daughter, I am the dumbest.

Clay
597.13MVDS02::BELFORTIPFYOWSTue Nov 30 1993 16:2710
    That's it Clay.. exactly!
    
    Mean Mom of the Year, and Dumb Dad of the Year... they go hand in hand!
    
    Wasn't it Mark Twain who said (something to this effect, not a direct
    quote)..." It's amazing how smart my father was, the older I became".
    
    (You get the idea of what he said)
    
    M-L
597.14It was Mark TwainMARX::SULLIVANWe have met the enemy & they is us!Wed Dec 01 1993 10:436
One of my favorite quotes, especially since it described my
Dad to a "T".

	"When I was 16 I was amazed at how little my father knew.
	 When I was 21 I was amazed at how much he had learned in
	 	five years!"