Conference moira::parenting

    
    There is a note that is all babynames you can 
    find it on OASS::BABYNAMES.   
    
    Good luck and congratulations.
    
    Jeanne
    

    Names are also discussed in the Genealogy conference 
    VOX::GENEALOGY in case you are interested. Warning though,
    parts of the conference have old corruptions in them so
    indexing will be possible but a little bit of a pain.
    
    I do believe we also discussed the whole baby naming issue 
    in the previous volume of Parenting. 
    
    Monica

    
    	I like your boys name...similar to our son's....Michael John..
    
    	Tha babynames conference is really good, you should find plenty in
    	there!
    
    	Chris
    

    I have allways had a likng for the name Breanna for a girl...
    
    Sherry

    Do what we did.  We would watch the credits at the end of movies, TV
    shows, etc. to see if there were any names we liked.
    
    You could always pick a somewhat common name and spell it usually.  We
    named our daughters Alyssa Marie and Krystin Michelle.  We got Alyssa's
    name by watching "Who's the Boss".  We liked the sound of it.
    
    How about Cierra, Brianna, Breanne, Fayon (I think this one is really
    neat), Lauryn, Kirstyn, Alanna, or Fallon.
    
    Chances are because you have a boy name picked out and you are
    undecided about the girls name, you will have a baby girl.  It was that
    way with us.
    
    We had made numerous lists of girls names and just kept crossing off
    the ones we didn't like.  We would put the names we did like on another
    list in a few weeks and add more.  You'll eventually come up with one.
    It may make it easier if you just spell out the entire name, instead of
    just a first name.  It sounds better and you may like it.
    
    Good luck in your search!
    
    Gail

    You could go about it logically:
    What are your criteria?
    
       - Does the name have to appeal to more than one linguistic group?
         (we live in a very bilingual part of Canada and my family is
         German so we wanted a name that would sound okay in English,
         French and German)
    
       - Does the opinion of family members matter to you? If you don't
         care that Uncle Joe hates the name you've chosen because it is the
         name of his ex-wife, its okay. but if Uncle Joe's feelings are 
         important to you, you may have to have an alternative selection
    
       - Is it important to you that family tradition is carried on? I
         wanted names that have appeared in the family before, but not too
         close. Charlotte was my paternal grandmother's middle name, and 
         Alan's paternal grandmother's sister's name. Iris, our daughter's
         middle name, is Alan's maternal grandmother's 1st name. Both of
         Alan's grandmothers are still alive and are very pleased at our
         selections.
    
       - Are you thinking of what it will be like to have the name you have
         chosen? Consider what it might be like to have an odd name or
         something very difficult to spell. Doesn't everyone get tired of
         people constantly mispronouncing or misspelling a name?
    
       - Think of whether or not the chosen name will go well with the last
         name. We decided that we would stay away from girls names starting
         with "B" as names like Barbara ("Babbs?") Barney might be problem.
    
       - Most importantly, the parents have to choose a name they like and 
         that doesn't constantly give them bad memories of a person they
         didn't like.  
    
    We followed all those criteria for our selection for "Charlotte Iris
    Barney" and I don't know what we are going to do to follow them again 
    if we have another girl someday. 8-) 8-)
    
    Monica
    
    

    I was reading this note and tried to get in the notes file for
    babysnames.  Has something changed?  I can't access oass::Babynames
    
    Mary

    Try WARIOR::Babynames

    Re .6:
    
    Monica makes some very good suggestions.  I would just add to her
    fourth point about not wanting a name that is too out-of-the-ordinary.
    Conversely, consider how common or popular a name currently is.  Do you
    want your child to always be known as "Name-Last Initial" in school. 
    For example, it seems like every other girl in my class growing up was 
    named Cathy (or Kathy) and they were always called Cathy D., Kathy S.,
    etc...  My daughter's best friend is called Amandakay (Amanda K.) by
    the kids because there are so many Amandas in the kindergarten.
    
    -Tracy
    

    Watch out for initials (as in, say, Paula Inez Gladstone)!  And try to 
    think of all possible nicknames.  I don't especially care for "Ali" or
    "Ally" or "Sandra", all legitemate nicknames for (my daughter's name)
    Alexandra, so we don't use them and we discourage others from using
    them with/for her.  (Alex and Xan are approved!)
    
    Leslie

It was amazing when we started choosing names at how many were considered nice
and attractive and didn't work in the other.  In Germanic/Swedish cultures,
Emma is often the name of a cow but I personally liked the name very much.

My husband always wanted a boy named Dirk so, although we have some troubles in
the American culture with that name, it works well in our environment here.  
Since he got to choose the first name, I chose the second which I wanted to be
longer to go with the short first name.  I chose Christopher so we have Dirk
Christopher.

We had no ideas for the second one so we both started keeping lists of names
we liked.  We went through name books and everything.  In the end we probably had
each about 50 names each for a boy or for a girl.  We then exchanged lists and
each of us crossed off the names from the others list that wouldn't work in 
the others culture.  Finally ended up with a list for the boys that was about
10 long.  We each ordered that list in terms of prepference and then discussed 
the top three.  We finally decided on Markus as the name which worked best in
all three cultures.  J�rgen didn't care about the second name (they often don't
have them here) so I chose my father's middle name Allen, Markus Allen.

We had less luck for the girls name and in the end just picked one out of the
names we discussed, Maika Marie.  When we went through the crossing off exercise
with girl's names, there were never any left :-)

Cheryl

    When I had my son, we had a boy's name picked out, but not a girl's
    name.  
    
    When I had my daughter, we had a girl's name picked out, but not a
    boy's.  
    
    This one MUST be a boy!
    
    I like Brittany or Breanna, but my husband doesn't!
    
    My husband came up with something unusual...
    
    Shanine (for a girl)  
    
    I kinda like it, we haven't discussed spelling yet, but we're getting
    closer....
    

    My niece's name is Shaynin....we call her Shay a lot of times...I think
    its a great name for a girl!
    
    ..Lori

In our case, may wife was dead set against nicknames, so that eliminated a 
lot.  We wanted something a bit different, but not "trendy".  We settled on 
"Lara".  We are generally satisfied, but we get frustrated sometimes because 
it gets mispronounced, or mistaken for the more common "Laura".  We're glad 
we decided on "Lara Meghan" rather than the other way around, because "Meghan" 
is subject to nicknames and alternate spellings, which we wanted to avoid, 
and because it turned out to be a trendy name.

Our son, Gary, has had no difficulty with his name.  In his case, we decided 
to use a family name for his middle name; the fact that both grandfathers were 
named "Norman" was convenient.  We've found that "Gary" is not overly common, 
but common enough that we can usually find his name on novelty items like 
pencils, license plates, "This room belongs to _____" items and the like.  Not 
so, with the less common "Lara".

re: .11

And just to show you that it's impossible to consider ALL the angles, if you 
even come back to the States, you may get accused of being a Los Angeles 
Raiders (American football team) fan.  They had a famous player by the name of 
Marcus Allen.

Clay

    :-) Re.: .14 
    
    Ah yes, Clay, but I have a German Markus, not a French Marcus :-).  We
    actually got the spelling of Allen wrong, my dad's middle name is
    really Alan.  Seems that my siblings and I had been spelling it wrong
    for years :-)
                                                                  
    Also, for Lara, you can find lots of "Lara" items over here.  Why don't
    you make a trip over, visit us, and pick some up :-)
    
    We also didn't want nicknames but were unprepared for what "non native"
    speakers can do with a name.  Dirk gets his name pronounced in French
    as "Deer-que", in German correctly (can't transcribe that :-), and in
    English as Durk.  When I visited an old school friend when he was a
    baby, my friend's children kept calling him "the baby".  I asked her
    why they didn't use his name and she said they were always either
    saying "Dick" or "Dirt" so they decided "the Baby" was safest :-)
    
    Markus also gets various pronunciations and he gets shortened to Mark
    or Marc but it's not quite so bad.
    
    My name usually gets mispronounced in French as cherie which is a term
    of endearment that you would use only to your children or spouse,
    usually the latter.  The members of my marching band call me this,
    causing many upraised eyebrows amongst people who do not know my name.
    It caused a family row when the band director's parents were visiting
    and thought that he had a mistress and took it upon themselves to
    inform his wife.  She of course knew me and found the situation
    hilarious.
    
    It's worthwhile thinking about if you're going to be dealing in other
    cultures.  The French term for AIDS is SIDA.  Sida is one of the most
    popular names for girls in Yougoslavia, Czech, etc.
    
    Cheryl

    RE:  .15
    
    In naming my daughter Ilona Marie (after 2 great-grandmothers), one
    criterion was that the names cross into other languages smoothly.
    
    Helen (Ilona in Hungarian) and Mary (Marie in French) are present in
    all (or at least most) European languages.  Ilona Marie also pronounces
    fine to native Hebrew speakers.
    
    L

Free advice:

whatever you do, don't tell anyone what name(s) you've decided upon: 
Somebody's Law states "no matter what name you choose for your unborn, even 
if you believe you've made it up yourself, someone you tell will reply, 
'Yeah, I knew someone with that name when I was growing up... I think s/he 
grew up to be an axe murderer'"

;-)

Bart's Daddy

I have an excuse, though; my son was born six months before Bart Simpson 
appeared on the tube.

My wife and I picked out a name for our first child 5 or 6 months before the 
birth.  It was definitely going to be Jacqueline...the a couple of weeks before
she suggested Madeline and that's what stuck.  With our second child (now 6
weeks old) we went back and forth for a long time, then about a week before the
name Gillian just popped out, and that stuck too.  So you can think about this
a lot, or just use the name that feels right when the time is right!

Michael

    RE: .5 - How many Alyssa Marie's are out there.  I too named my
    daughter Alyssa Marie.  I had heard the name "Alyssa" on the radio and
    like it.  My husband picked out Marie.  If a boy, we were going to name
    him Kyle Patrick.  
    
    We never debated over names - we picked those names early on and never
    2nd guessed them.
    
    

    We were going to name our baby Alyssa also.  But a close friend of ours
    had a baby girl 5 months before us and named her Alyssa.  Then a
    co-worker also named her baby Alyssa.  We ended up with Kassandra,
    with a K, Kassie for a nickname to be little bit different.
    
    Cheryl  

	I went to my son's second grade orientation today.  There were
	at LEAST 7 kids (16 kids total) in his class with J names - Jillian, 
	John(2), Jonathan, Jeremy, Jordan, etc..  

This is a really unusual name and I'd love to know how to pronounce it.

I've only heard of the name through Meg in this conference, is it more common
in the States?

Heather

    Heather,
    
    Atlehi isn't a common name in the states either.  It is taken from the
    Navajo mythology of Changing Woman, or Estsan'atlehi.  We pronounce it
    at-LAY-hee, or at-LEH-hee.  Changing woman brought the rituals needed
    for different life stages, as well as the healing rituals into being.  
    
    She is also known as White Shell girl in her young girl incarnation.  
    
    meg

    Meg,
    
    I think that's great. I love names with interesting meanings.
    My favourite at the moment is Freya. This is derived from Freyja -
    the Goddess of Love in Norse mythology. 
    
    I just checked in my dictionary and it says Goddess of love and
    fecundity ! Also, her brother was Frey - the God of earth's fertility
    and dispenser of prosperity.
    
    Heather

    Since I've got 3 months to go before my due date my husband and I have
    started to think about baby names. This is our predicament. My husband
    will only go for traditional or traditional sounding names. I like some
    of them but I like names that are less common. 
    
    Can anyone list a couple that sound "traditional", boys and/or girls, but 
    aren't so popular that there'll be 10 other kids with the same name in 
    school? 
    
    thanks,
    
    Karen
        

There are lots of out-of-fashion (and therefore uncommon) traditional names.
Look at old lists of names like the passenger list of the Mayflower.

    
    
    Grace, Michelle, Kyley, Kelly, Andrew, Jason

    check out the babynames notes file at OASS::BABYNAMES - lots
    of great ideas in there!   Lila
    

    We named our daughter Lindsey Maree.  Not entirely common in the
    spelling but the pronunciation is easy.  Lindsey was actually my
    husband's grandfather's name and I chose Maree because I would
    correspond with someone in Digital, I belive VBO, and I liked the way it
    looked when spelled out.  My middle name is Marie so we just did a
    twist on the spelling.  My husband now wishes we did not spell it that 
    way. 
    
    I am having difficulty with the teachers at daycare calling Lindsey
    "Linney".  I hate that.  I don't mind Lin, but not Linney.  No matter
    how many times I ask them not to call her that, it doesn't seem to sink
    in.  There is one teacher who just doesn't get the picture, therefore,
    the kids are now calling her Linney.  When I've heard them I correct
    them and I'm even trying to get Lindsey to correct them.  Oh well. 
    
    Any suggestions on how to get it to sink in?
    
    Lisa Cozzens

    Good Luck!!!  I named Christopher, with the full intention that he'd
    ALWAYS be called Christopher - never Chris.  I was going BATTY trying
    to figure out why, in spite of what I said, everyone at school kept
    calling him Chris.  Till I finally found out from one of his teachers
    ... he said he wants to be called Chris.  Hmph.  What do you make of
    that!  So, the whole time, I was "battling" him.  I let it go, and have
    reverted to calling him Chris a lot myself .... funny thing is, that
    this year most kids call him Christopher.  Can't get it right yet!
    
    Don't know WHAT I'm going to do with Jonathan, because I REALLY don't
    care for the name Jon for a kid, but calling him Jonny (or Johnny??)
    seems like something he'll drag with him well into adulthood ... which
    may not be desireable for him....
    
    Decisions decisions .... I'm sure that, once again, it won't end up
    being my decision at all.  A lot of Jason's friends call him Tommy.  I
    just LOVE the power rangers!
    
    -Patty (Unless you ask my mother, and then it's Trish-ee ..Oh Boy!)
    
    

    Experience has taught me that once a child/person is named, that is the
    last real control the namer will have over how that child/person is
    called.
    
    There are those who will _always_ call me Ann, those who will _always_
    call me Annie -- nothing may parents ever did msanaged to get folks to
    change their habits. I have a bit more control -- in some situations I
    began refusing to respond to being called what _I_ didn't choose [but
    my parents and I have never agreed on what my 'real' name is...
    
    My husband is Rick or Richard, depending on who speaks to him. His
    parents once tole him that his 'real' name was Rick [when he was about
    5] and that he should refuse to answer to other variations. His
    response was to ask why they named him Richard, then? and thank you
    very much, but he'd answer to whatever suited him.z
    
    

    .29> There is one teacher who just doesn't get the picture, therefore,
       > the kids are now calling her Linney.  When I've heard them I correct
       > them and I'm even trying to get Lindsey to correct them.  Oh well. 
    
       > Any suggestions on how to get it to sink in?
    
    Keep calling that *teacher* an obnoxious erroneous name?  >:-}
    
    My daughter is Alexandra (or Alex or Xan) and I've always explained to
    anyone who'd listen that she is NOT Sandy or Allie or Al.  But... last
    summer her campmates called her Al, and she thought it was cool, so I
    figured that if I ignored it, the phenomenon would die a natural death. 
    Making a big deal out of it might have (it seemed to me) turned the
    issue into a "DON'T put peas up your nose!" situation.  Alex was "Al"
    for the summer, and now when anybody calls her that, I just go into my 
    Chevy Chase impersonation (Paul Simon's video, "You can call me Al"). 
    Alex likes it when we're alone but finds it embarrassing in front of
    friends, so it's a gentle reminder that Al is not my favorite nickname!
    
    Leslie [not Les!]
    

    I've found that the child will eventually determine their own name.
    My sister was Terry till she got to school then wanted to be Theresa
    till she got to junior high school then wanted to be Terri.  I've
    met at least two women that will emphatically correct you if you
    call them Cindy instead of Cynthia (which is my name and I can't
    stand to be called Cynthia!).
    
    When picking names for my baby...I always wanted to name my baby
    after my father - Kenneth.  Her father vetoed that from the start
    and continued to do so until about two weeks before she was born.
    Then he said ok.  That's when I knew, without a doubt, I was having
    a girl!  :-)
    
    Her name, Angeline, was chosen when I asked her father to name some
    of the names in his family.  The minute he said (his grandmother's
    name) Angeline I settled on that.  He agreed on it till (again)
    about two weeks before she was born, then decided against it.
    In fact, Angeline remained unamed for a night until he said ok.
    Then I tacked on Claire as her second name after a favorite aunt
    that died of cancer.
    
    Hence...Angeline Claire Jacques.  And we are determined to keep
    "Angie" out of the picture, but it will be up to her.
    
    						cj *->
                                                         

    My first husband hated nick names and was determined that no child of
    his would ever have a nick name-able name.  (He was a Joseph Jr., and
    grew up bein called Joey.  He hated it.)  We named our daughter Alicia,
    and I sometimes call her 'Lesh.  She's never objected, never commented
    actually.
    
    My proper name is Debra, but I think people are mad at me if they call
    me that :-).  I prefer Debby.  I tolerate Deb.  I silently bristle at
    Deb-Deb.
    
    I've had friends who have changed their name, or use of nick name, as
    their self image has changed.  

I guess I'm in the minority.  I purposely chose names that my
kids could experiment with - try out different names as they
experiment with who they are.

I go nuts trying to remember what the name of the day is, tho.
At 4, Elise has been Mike, Kathryn, and Elise MacKenzie (her
middle name).  She is usually Lissie. (pronounced Lee-see).
Gets all huffy when I get the name of the day wrong.


Pat

    My husband and I are expecting our second child in mid-June.
    We had so much trouble picking girls names last time that 
    I figure we should get an early start this time.  Fortunately,
    our first was a boy so it wasn't an issue.  His name is 
    Mitchell Dean Plourde (last name rhymes with Ford).  I think
    we could come up with another boys name pretty easily, so this
    is primarily a request for girls names.
    
    My hubby and I never seem to be able to agree (so far) on firsts
    names.  I would, however, like to have a family name as a middle
    name (possibly a first name).
    
    Here are some family names we are considering as middle name
    possibilities:
    
    	Julia (hubby's paternal grandmother, and my first name is Julie)
    	Alice or Alicia (my maternal grandmother's name was Alice)
    	Marie (my middle name)
    
    For first names, I like Elaina (or Eleina) a lot.  My mother's middle
    name is Elaine too. Don't quite know how hubby feels about this one.
    Alicia (listed above) could also be a first name possibility.
    
    Hubby's top choice is Monica.  It's OK with me, I really just would prefer
    not to have 2 kids with the same first initial.  I do want a name that
    sounds nice/compliments my son's name.
    
    Right now (today anyway), I like Elaina Marie.  I want to keep the
    name as "French" sounding as possible to go with Plourde.
    
    Hubby also likes Rachel, but I am just so afraid it will become too
    popular.  
    
    I would like a name that is not weird, but still unique.
    My son is the only Mitchell in his daycare... where there are 2 Davids,
    2 Brendans, 2 Ryans, etc.  
    
    We were so confident with a boys name last time,... I hope we can
    find names that we feel that good about this time.
    
    Any ideas (with or without the names listed above) would be greatly 
    appreciated.
    
    Thanks for your help.
    
    Oh - I tried several times to write in OASS::BABYNAMES, but kept
    getting some kind of error.  And that file seems to be fairly
    inactive these days.  Is there a new version?
    
    Julie
    

    I like the idea of keeping everything French, or seemingly French.
    To that end I would go with the middle name Marie, but I'd change
    the spelling a little on the first name, to "Elena".  To me that
    looks closer to the French name it's (almost certainly) derived 
    from, Helene (sorry I can't put in the accents).  To me Eleina looks
    Germanic or something, and Elaina looks more made-up (which is OK;
    it's just not my preference).
    
    FWIW ($.02?), I was surprised to see that your family rhymes Plourde 
    with Ford (I would have guessed "moored")!
    
    Have you and your hubby contemplated the possibility that, if you 
    choose "Monica," people may conclude that it was out of reverence
    for Courteney Cox and/or "Friends"?
    
    Leslie
    [one of whose French teachers completely forgot about Leslie Caron
    and persisted in calling me "Louise" as the French equivalent %^}
                                       

    I do like Elena (the spelling) - thank you.
    
    Well, most of the people in my husband's family pronounce it
    like Ford, but with a PL instead of F.  My son (who is 2 yrs, 9 mos)
    probably pronounces it best (Pa-Lured) ;-) -- it's really cute
    the way he says it.
    
    Funny you mention Leslie Caron... my maiden name was Caron! My 
    mother's maiden name was Lavoie.
    
    The Monica issue (with Friends) is one of the reasons I really don't
    want Monica.  
    
    My husbands mother is 100% Italian, so there's not too much opportunity
    to bring in any family names on that side.  His mother's maiden
    name is Spitaleri (sp?).  His maternal grandmother's name is
    Angelina... now would Angeline be considered French (or at least
    French sounding?).  I do like that name. 
    
    Thanks for your reply!  I'm at such a loss on choosing names this
    time.  I'm hoping folks can throw out some good ideas.
    
    Julie
    
    

    
    re: Rachel and Monica...
    
    Did you realize that BOTH names your husband likes are 
    from "Friends".  Kind of cracked me up...
    
    Speaking of that, my husband and I like Rachel and if we have
    a girl we plan on that for her name.  Rachel was a top runner
    when naming Lauren as well.  I'm just concerned that the
    TV show will make Rachel a very popular name for children
    born during the shows running.  What do others think?  I'd
    hate to change our minds on this but I don't want our child
    to share the same name with half her class!  My husband and
    I are having an awful time agreeing on a boys name.  I can't
    imagine starting over again on the girls name, especially
    since we agreed so quickly on this one!  
    
    Karen

    Funny, after I had added my note I was wondering whether "Elena"
    might actually be an Italian version (and after I had confidently
    said "almost certainly" derived from the French Helene!).
    
    And your son's pronunciation kills me!  It's cute anyway, but the
    reason I love it is...  when I was a kid we got a puppy, and he was
    a (standard) poodle, so it was decided that we'd give him a French
    name.  My stepfather's last name was Underwood, so he translated each
    piece of that and came up with Sousbois (Soubie for short).  However,
    for comedic purposes (I think he was *not* a purebred), Soubie had to 
    have a long, pompous name, to wit: Pierre Michel Palourde-Gateau
    Sousbois.  Which means Peter Michael Clam-Cake Underwood!
    
    Leslie

    Oh - I just had to tell you your last note cracked me up!
    That is how he pronounces it -- Palourde. ;-)   and he'll 
    always say his full name ... "my name is Mitchell DEAN "Palourde" 
    So I guess he's Mitchell Dean Clam!
    
    And yes, it looks as if Elena is the Italian/Spanish variation 
    of Helen.  Oh well.  I'm not even sure if hubby likes it, so
    who knows!  
    
    Thanks for the chuckle!  Any more name ideas (even if they are
    just something you think sounds good with "Palourde" - no
    really... Plourde.   I just don't know where to begin!  We hit
    this roadblock when I was pregnant with my son, and now it
    looks like we're going thru the same thing.  Maybe that means
    I'm having another boy.  I find boys names so much easier to
    agree on with my husband.  
    
    Julie
    

    
    I always thought, if I had a girl, I'd name her Rosa-Marie.  Partly
    from my mother's middle name (Rosemary) and my confirmation name
    (RoseMarie), AND to stay "Italian" sounding (my maiden name is Forte -
    pronounced Forty, as opposed to the French Forte')
    
    Alas, I had 3 boys.... )-: (-;
    
    BUT, having a Jason and Jonathan, I'll tell you right now, DON'T make
    the kids have the same first initial ... it's definitely one of my
    biggest flaws as a parent ... I get the "Ja" out and then have to STARE
    at the kid to figure out what his name is.  Chris doesn't have that
    problem (so much).  Of course my mother calls me Tony, so maybe it's
    just a loss-of-mind thing. (-;
    
    What we ended up doing, was going through a couple baby-books, and
    highlighting all the names we liked (I suggest different colors for
    first/middle names), and then passed the book over to the other.  Which
    is how we ended up with Jason Bradford (for which he'll always hate us
    (-;).
    
    Christopher - I have no idea.  POPPED into our heads after he was born.
    His middle name is his father's name (Christopher Daniel Weier).
    
    Jonathan Martin Whitney, shares his middle and last name with his
    father.  I liked Jonathan a lot (though for some odd reason never
    realized that I DON'T like the name Jon for a little kid....!).  
    
    But I still like Rosa Marie for a girl.... or Stephanie (though that's
    more Italian, isn't it??)
    
    Here's a hint - pick an ADULT that you like, and someone that you'd
    like your child to be like, and see if it follows suit with others with
    the same name (that's a lot of what pulled me toward Jonathan). 
    There's a lot more to a name than just letters!!
    
    Good Luck!

    Liane [pronounced Lee-AAHN] is a nice French name. [at least I presume
    it is as there were several girls from France at my school with this
    name back in the late 60's]
    
    I think it's pretty. I think it goes with Plourde. I don't especially
    think that it goes with Mitchell. YMMV.
    
      Annie

    re: .42 
    
    I think I already did too much highlighting in my babyname book
    from when I was pregnant with my first.  Some of those names I
    no longer like...  I'd probably have to buy a new book to 
    "start over".
    
    Anyway, thanks everyone for your replies.  I'm going to make sure
    that I pass any new ideas by hubby and see what he thinks.  I 
    don't know why we have such different taste in girls names, and
    not with boys names.  Maybe it's just that there are so many
    pretty girls names to choose from that we can't just settle
    on one (or two including the middle name).
    
    As for boys names, my hubby still likes Logan (which was almost
    Mitchell's middle name), and Cameron.  I know he also likes Adam.
    Hubby's brother's name is Russell, so we were considering
    Logan Russell.  Any comments?  Does it sound/flow ok?  
    
    I like having "outsiders" (non-family members) look at the 
    name choices because they are totally un-biased reviewers of
    the sound of the name.  You know what I mean?  That's why this
    file is so great!
    
    I will NOT make the mistake of telling the family our name
    choices before the baby is born this time.  There were a lot
    of them who did not like Mitchell who now LOVE his name and
    feel it fits him perfectly.  So they will not know our choices
    before this kiddo pops out!
    
    Oh - and here is a list of names that my hubby liked (I sent him
    a lot more that he dropped off the list and this is what was left):
    
    Amanda
    Cara
    Casey
    Courtney
    Dawn
    Jessica
    Leah
    Madeline
    Monica
    Nicole
    Rachel
    Renee
    
    
    	He seems to like the real popular names.  Do you guys
    like any of these???
    
    Julie

    I named my first daughter Tiffany (would sound good as Tiffany Marie),
    and I still love the name.  Not many other kids seem to have it,
    so it's somewhat unique but not too weird (which was my criteria).
    Could also be spelled Tifani (maybe more French looking).
    
    Good luck.  I had lots of girls names I liked, couldn't decide
    on a boy's name - good thing she was a girl!
    
    Janice

    My cousin's daughter is Tiffany... so I can't use that one,
    but thanks for offering your ideas!  
    
    If my cousin and I weren't as close as we are, I wouldn't
    mind using the name, but our families are close and it
    would be confusing.
    
    I'm so glad people are responding to this note as I really
    feel like I need some outside help this time.
    
    I have a feeling that if we end up with a girl she may be
    "baby-girl Plourde" for a while after she's born.!  Or 
    maybe I can convince my husband DURING labor to agree on
    one of the names "I" like the most... hmmmmmm - not a bad
    idea. ;-)
    
    
    

re .45:

I'm pretty sure Tiffany was on the latest top 10 list.

    >>  -< Maybe I'll choose a name during labor!>-
    
    Hahahahaha!  If I had done that, my daughter would be named
    "[expletive deleted] Expanding Cannonball Woolner"  =8^O  :^)
    
    But maybe immediately *after* labor, when you look into that little
    face... |^}
    
    Or maybe she'll reveal it to you in a dream!
    
    Leslie

    
    
    that's if it's a "she".
    
    we are going for an ultrasound, well - I'm going to have the
    ultrasound and hubby will stand there staring at the screen
    wondering if it's an alien in there ;-) - on Feb 13.  If the
    doctor get's a good view, we may have a better idea on how
    serious we need to be on choosing boy/girl names.  I want to
    have at least one of each (names that is, not babies) in any case
    since ultrasound predictions can be wrong.
    
    Thanks...  
    
    
    

    Regarding the ultrasound...I had mine when I was about 14 weeks along,
    there was some question regarding the gestation age since I seemed to
    be measuring larger than expected.  Anyway, they told me to drink 32 oz
    of water 1/2 an hour before the ultrasound.  Needless to say I was
    extremely uncomfortable.  When we went in for the ultrasound the
    technician said that they always tell the moms-to-be to drink more
    water than necessary and I could empty my bladder a little (that is
    something like trying to hold back the Niagara Falls).  Anyway, if
    you had an ultrasound before you know what to expect from your body. 
    If I have another one (not likely since we're currently not planning to
    have another one) I'll drink 24 or so oz instead.
    
    As far as girls names, if we were to have a girl she would probably be
    Victoria Marie.
    
    sandy
    
    

    
    I noticed Renee is on your list. This is very French and sounds really
    nice with Plourde (and Mitchell). I had an Uncle Rene Deschenes and he
    had a grandaughter Renee Picard. I think it's such a pretty name and
    not popular that I know of.
    
    Patty

    
    Lorraine, Monique (sorry, no M's), Simone (du Beavoir), Margeau
    (Fontaine), Brigette (Fonda and Bardot), Catherine (Deneuve), 
    all classic French names.
    
    Eva         

    My mother maiden name was Plourde(pronounced to rhyme with hood with an
    'r' in it).  French was spoken in the house... there were 10 sisters...
    some of the names that were used in the family include:
    Marguerite, Therese, Yvette, Aliette, Marie-anne, Germaine, Lucienne,
    Lorette, Jacqueline, Annette, Jeannette, Lorraine, Irene, Alice,
    Corinne, Marita, Michelle, Claire, Charlotte, Louise.... Some of these
    are very old-fashioned and not heard very often today....  Hope this
    helps....
    
    Carol

    To log into babynames try Warlock::babynames.....Mary

    RE: .54
    
    There's too many letters in the nodename.
    
    H

    My husband and I are still fighting over a name. I'm 28 weeks and we
    found out it was a boy on the 2nd. After three girls and an easy time
    finding names were still at a roadblock.  With the girls it was easy.
    We started with the first letter of the alphabet. "a" so we named
    our first Ariel Angelique.  Then "b" for our second Brittany Blaire.
    and if this was a girl it would be "c" Caitlyn Celene.  I have a
    "d" already from my first marriage Dyan Denyse.  But we thought it
    would be dumb  to go with "c" for our son. I want his name to mean
    something, so we are looking at meanings of the names too.
    
    He wants Duncan Nathaneal which means "man with Dark Skin" and
       "Gift from God"
    
    I want Nathaneal Alexander which means "Gift from God" and "protector
      of men".
    
    Oh well, So its back to the baby book again.  It's kinda a hard with
    a last name like HORTERT! (You say every letter)
    
    If I wait until delivery his name will be "UGH AHHH GET IT OUT"  HAHAHA
    
    Rose

>    He wants Duncan Nathaneal which means "man with Dark Skin" and
>       "Gift from God"
>    
>    I want Nathaneal Alexander which means "Gift from God" and "protector
>      of men".

The standard spelling is Nathaniel.

    re Nathaneal, just wondering, is that spelling deliberate?  I assume
    it's pronounced the same way as "Nathaniel" but looking at the
    spelling, I keep saying "Nathan eel" in my head.  My cousin's son is
    named Nathaniel but his mother gets annoyed when people call him Nat or
    Nate.  I guess she didn't foresee those nicknames (but I like them,
    especially Nate).
    
    I like the name Duncan but I wouldn't go with it because I don't care
    for the (inevitable) nickname "Dunc" and wouldn't want to be in
    perpetual correction/annoyance mode!
    
    Leslie

    
    My son's name is Nathan and so far noone calls him Nate.  He
    has learned to discourage people from doing so.  The only
    one who does is my brother when he's trying to irritate me 8*)
    
    Nathan really doesn't seem like a Nate - if that makes any sense.
    
    Pam

    
    I'm not sure why but I wanted names that would be hard to shorten
    with a nickname. It just seems you name your kid one thing but they
    go thru life being called something else. I know some parents insist
    the correct name be said but how often do you hear of a Steven or
    Katherine ect. I didn't want to always be correcting everyone so it
    did make a diference in my decision.
    
    We also liked the idea of using our middle names with the kids so we
    have a Kevin Douglas and a Laura Jean. My husband really liked
    the name Christopher for a boy. Chris Christie, now that sounds good!
    It wasn't until the very end of my labor that he finally came around
    to Kevin. He's holding my hand and says, Barbara if it's a boy we can
    name him Kevin if you want. I said you're damm right we will!!!! At
    that moment I definitely felt I could name the child wahtever *I*
    wanted!
    
    Good luck to everyone with your decisions and cograts on the upcoming
    little bundles of joy!
    
                          Barbara
    
    

    
    Oh, another pretty French name Aimee (Amy).
    
    Eva

    Although that would be pronounced "M.A.", not Amy.
    
    Leslie

    I like Claire, that's Angeline's middle name, and the name of
    a favorite aunt of mine.
    
    I like Madeline also, but mostly because a friend of mine has
    that name, but is called Madi which I think is cute.
    
    A story about Claire.... When I named Angeline, Angeline Claire
    Jacques, someone was saying what a nice French name it was.   Well,
    I mentioned that I thought Angeline was maybe not French, but that
    Angelique would be.  Angelina would be Italian, and I thought Angeline
    itself may just be ethnic free.  I was trying not to have a totally
    French sounding name.
    
    So then we went onto Claire.  I said that was French and my daughter's
    aunt said, "Of course!  Just like a chocolate eclair!".   :-)
    
    (I would have come up with Claire du Lune [please excuse spelling] but
    eclair worked fine)
    
    I loved the name Jillian, myself.  I wanted to name her Jillian Claire,
    but her father nixed that from the get-go.  I'm kind of glad now (don't
    tell him!) because I've met three small "Jillian"s since then.  Plus,
    I had been saying "Jillian Claire" over and over and really liking it.
    I had never added the Jacques (we say "Jakes") at the end.  Jillian
    (Jakes) Jacques.  Nah... 
    
    			    			cj *->
    
    

Well, we went through some of this in '92
    - wanted a name that sounded good with a French last name
    - wanted a name that was unique but not weird
	(I am so sick of being one of seemingly *thousands*
         of Debbies and hundreds of Debbie Sues :-)

and we ended up with Noelle.  

The 2 drawbacks are that everyone asks if she was born
at Christmas (she wasn't), and many people want to call
her "Nicole".  Oh, and sometimes people want to spell it
"Noel" which means the poor kid is going to have correct
spellings for every single name she has:
	Noelle (not Noel)
	Laurin (family name; not Lauren)
	Bourquard (I won't even list all the misspellings :-)

Good luck!

- Deb B.

    
    Thanks for your note Deb (and others).  There is a little girl in
    my son's daycare who is a Noelle and the two of them are inseparable!
    The other day, when I asked him what he wanted to name the baby if
    it was a girl, he replied "Noelle" (but of course).
    
    I like the name, I am concerned about the "holiday" references (as
    you are experiencing).  I would never even consider spelling it
    any differently though, so I hadn't thought of that issue.
    
    Lauren is another one of my favorite girl names, but again I don't
    think it's one of hubby's favorites.  This naming game is not much
    fun when you just can't seem to agree.  And I don't want us to just
    "settle" on something because we both "kind of" like it -- because
    I'm afraid that if I don't LOVE the name now, I may end up disliking
    it later.  However, I hear most people are pleased with the names
    they give their children even if they weren't completely convinced
    when choosing it...  
    
    I'm happy with the name my parents chose for me, and I just want
    to choose a name my child will also be content with.  
    
    Thanks,
    
    Julie
    

  I'm sure this has been said before but I think it bears repeating.  Both
of my kids have non standard spelling of their names.  I really regret this.
For one thing you can never find their name on personalized items.  And the
other thing is their name is always being spelled wrong.  In the case of
my son Erik - he has the Swedish spelling.  For my daughter Emilie we somehow
managed to spell it "wrong" in both languages :^).

FWIW

Elizabeth

    RE: the "holiday" names...
    
    I've lived with this my whole life.  My name is HOlly, and my birthday
    is May 1.  6 out of 10 times when I meet people, I get asked "oh, were
    you born at christmas time?"  It gets pretty annoying after a while,
    but you learn to live with it.  And I won't say how much ribbing I get 
    at christmas time and how many christmas carols get sung to me.
    
    However, I do like my name.  It's a little out of the ordinary, but not
    completely.  My full maiden name flowed very nicely, Holly Beth Taylor.
    Now that my married name is Ventura, I get called "Miss California" and
    I've once been asked if it's a stage name.
    
    Regarding the names previously mentioned..
    
    I really like the name Angeline.  And Monique is very pretty too.  
    
    Holly (who grew up hating the songs "Deck the halls" and "Have a HOlly
    Jolly Christmas).

    My brother always liked the french sounding names:
    
    Ami
    
    and
    
    Pilar
    

    I have a JAIME [ male] -- it gets spelled Jamie most of the time, and
    he sometimes gets called Jimmy or James
    
    and SHAINA [female] -- sometimes gets pronounced ShaHina or Shana [it's
    shayna]
    
    sandy [with a Y not an I]

    As far as the spelling Nathaneal.
    
    My husband wants the traditional Nathaniel, but I saw it in an old
    bible on mine as Nathaneal and liked it. But then again I don't usually
    go with traditional.  My first is Dyan (said Diane) Denyse (Denise) and
    we have for 13 years corrected people.  They call out Dylan at the 
    doctors office or Dina or Dine.  But she doesn't mind cause we ended
    up calling her DeeDee anyway (It's D.D.).  As for my second they
    always say "Ariel like the mermaid?"  I had a little girl go running
    to her mother one day saying "Mommy, Mommy... that little girls name
    is Mermaid!"  He mother was confused.  Brittany is the only traditional
    way that I went with and that was at my husbands persistance!  So
    I got my way and went with Blaire as a middle name.  
    
    The reason my husband really likes Duncan is cause everyone else hates
    it!  Dunc or Duncie or Duncan Donuts will be heard a lot.  Oh well.
    Every name will have some nickname or be made fun of somehow.
    
    RoseMary (who hated the '70s movie "RoseMary's baby" with a passion!)
     

The -el ending of names like Michael and Nathaniel means "God."  So the
spelling in your Bible is probably simply an error.

    Wow mistakes in a bible?  So how does it change the meaning then?
    
    Maybe I should go with Ethan like we started out with!
    
    Rose

    common or uncommon, somebody is going to manage to mangle up a name at
    some point, so we went with names we like and the heck with the rest of
    the world.
    
    meg, not Maggie, megan, Mag, Peg, or Peggy.  You would think one
    three-letter name wouldn't be hard for people, but even it gets
    embellished mangled and mispelled.  
    
    for my daughters we went with names that "felt" like them.  Hence
    Lolita Amica, Carredwyn Ellen, and Atlehi Catherine.

    Yep you're right about the -el. I was wrong! I looked it up cause I
    didn't think the spelling would be wrong in the bible. I looked at
    it wrong.  In John 1:46 it's spelled Nathanael.  It just doesn't look
    like it would be pronounced "niel".  That's probably why I looked at
    it wrong.  Hmmmm. That would cause a lot of confusion.
    
    Rose

>    it wrong.  In John 1:46 it's spelled Nathanael.  It just doesn't look
>    like it would be pronounced "niel".  That's probably why I looked at

the ae is a diphthong ... and is often printed joined like this �

As in Julius Caesar (C�sar), or encyclopaedia (encyclop�dia).

In many words where the ae diphthong was common, it has been reduced to just
an 'e'  like encyclopedia

Stuart

ae is a diphthong in Latin, not in Hebrew.

Gerald,
>
>ae is a diphthong in Latin, not in Hebrew.


I sit very much corrected!  I was just walking back from lunch with my plate
in hand and passed a cube with the name Michael on it ... and the penny
dropped.  SO I was going to write a note to eat some humble pie ... but you
beat me here and so I'll still eat humble pie.

Stuart (chomp)

    you can still get a nickname from a 3-letter name
    
    my sister is Amy -- we call her "aim" a lot.  
    
    go figure.
    
    Sandy [who also gets called "san" by her family....]

    My niece is Amy - we usually call her "Ames".  
    
    Julie, you could use your maiden name Caron.  It can sound like Car on
    (like Karon/Karen) or with the French accent.  If you don't want
    popular names you might reconsider Lauren.  I know 3 toddlers named
    Lauren.  Other French names not mentioned yet are Gabrielle and Suzanne
    (I think the French might spell this differently). I know a Geniveive
    (know this spelling is off but think you'll recognize what it's
    supposed to be.)  My best friend's daughter is Nicole. She is 12 and
    doesn't have a nickname.
    
    Kathy (whose mother has always regretted shortening my formal Kathleen)

    Another story about Claire.... 

We were going to name my daughter Emily Claire, but
then realized that someday she might decide to go by
her first initial and middle name and would be known
as E. Claire Dieter.

(The proper pronounciation of 'Dieter' is 'Deeter')

Mary (aka. LOWFAT::DIETER :)

    Well now that you've said it first, Kathy, I too am finding Lauren
    is becoming a bit popular lately.  
    
    A couple back mentioned shortening even short names.  Reminds me...
    my friend's have always called me cj since the third grade.  When
    I was dating this one guy, I took him to a party.  Several people
    have evolved "cj" to something that sounds like "siege".   He (who
    never really cared for "cj" to start with, preferring Cindy) said
    "Isn't cj short enough??? "   
    
    I LOVE the name Gabrielle.  It was one Angeline's father mentioned
    at one time, and I toyed with in case I wanted to back down on calling
    her Angeline.  It went ok with either last name.  Meaning, at the time
    it was brought up, there was still a consideration that I'd give her
    her father's last name, which is Rapa.  But before she was born, the
    last name became apparant - JACQUES, JACQUES, JACQUES--- ALL THE WAY!
    :-)  :-)  :-)
    
    						cj *->

re Duncan:

"Duncan" would almost certainly be corrupted to "Dunny-can" in Australia...  


\Chele

	With both my daughters (Kristen Rose Ternullo) and (Stephanie Louise
	Ternullo) We had a list of about 5 boys and 5 girls names when we
	went to the hospital. Actually Kristen wasn't on the list but got
	added on while we were there.  With each of them as soon as they 
	were born and we got to look at them, we quickly narrowed it down
	to 2 names and then had to really think about it.  Kristen was either
	going to be Kristen or Pamela.  Stephanie was going to be either
	Stephanie or Lauren.  Both times my husband let me make the final
	decision, he liked both names each time and so did I, so it was a 
	hard decision, but basically I went with what I thought they looked
	like and with what my heart told me.

	For both girls we had already agreed on the middle names and the
	names on our list went well with them.  They're middle names are
	after my godmother (Rose) and my Aunt (Barbara Louise) because they
	are both very special women in my life.

	My brother, Stephanie's godfather started calling her LouLou from	
	the first time he saw her.  And we use it sometimes.  It's a cutsy
	baby thing to say Hi Little Lou Lou.  But I don't think it will
	stick as she get older, we all usually call her Stephanie and just
	use LouLou occassionally.  I knew up front they might be shortened
	to Kris or Krissy or Steph or Stephi and I like all those names,
	not crazy about Krissy, but I could live with it.  For now everyone
	calls them Kristen and Stephanie, but they're only 2.9 and 11months
	so time will tell.

	Anyway, my point is, maybe you can decide AFTER labor, when you've
	got a chance to look at them.

	Good luck!
	Karen T.

    Just fyi ... had my ultrasound done and doctor says it looks like
    a girl!  He didn't get the most clear shot since the baby had its
    legs crossed at the ankles, but he did his best.  We're not painting
    the room pink, or out buying pink clothes -- so we're still planning
    on choosing a girl and boys name ... ya never know.  I guess it will
    still be a surprise on delivery day since I don't really trust 
    ultrasound predictions.  Hubby is really the one who wanted to know
    this time since with my first I didn't (and I won!).  I have
    plenty of non-gender specific newborn clothing from my first baby,
    so I am glad I chose to do it this way.  I might even wait to do the
    room until AFTER the baby is born since he/she will be in our room
    for a month or so.
    
    In any case - still need ideas for names (mostly girls since that's
    what we have the most trouble agreeing on).  I just don't like real
    popular/trendy names, but nothing really weird either.  This week,
    hubby likes Cara/Kara  and Vanessa.  Any comments?
    
    Julie  

    Trying again -- wrote this once and it had a million typo's, so I
    deleted it.  Cara sounds sort of Italian to me, and I seem to recall
    you wanted something more French.  I tend to like biblical names for
    boys, and something very distinctive for girls, so it can't be messed
    up.  My first name, Marla, isn't all that common.  I am constantly
    being called Maria, Marcia, Marcy, Marlene, Marlo, Carla, Darla,
    anything but Marla.  Sigh.
    
    I am Jewish, and am therefore bound by tradition to name babies after
    beloved family or friends who have passed away.  Before I found 
    out I was having another boy, I had considered Jacqueline/Jaclyn (for
    Jacob, my grandfather), Corinne (for a friend, Cory), Carolyn (for a
    cousin of my Mom's), Alexis (for Alexander, my other grandfather), and
    Lisette (for Elizabeth, another cousin of my Mom's).  All the other
    folks who had passed away had names which taxed the limits of my 
    imagination to modernize -- Gladys, Gertrude, Moishe, Otis, etc.
    
    I very much like Lisette Plourde - very pretty and soft.  YMMV.
    
    Marla
    

    Has Caroline been mentioned?  I love that one too.
    
    					cj *->

    I have been reading the `95 McCormack's Guide in search of school
    information for my daughter's future.  There is a list of the top 25
    baby names for 1995 in the state of California.
    
    Boys	Girls
    
    Michael	Jessica
    Daniel	Ashley
    Jose	Stephanie
    Christopher	Jennifer
    David	Elizabeth
    Andrew	Samantha
    Anthony	Sarah
    Matthew	Amanda
    Joshua	Vanessa
    Kevin	Nicole
    Jonathan	Michelle
    Ryan	Maria
    Joseph	Melissa
    Nicolas	Emily
    Brandon	Jasmine
    Alexander	Taylor
    Christian	Lauren
    Jacob	Brittany
    Juan	Alexandra
    Robert	Danielle
    Luis	Victoria
    Tyler	Rachel
    John	Andrea
    James	Alyssa
    Eric	Megan
    
    I guess these would be the names to stay away from if you want
    something unusual.  I thought I was picking a fairly unique name when I
    chose Kendra, but each day I see it more and more.
    
    Good Luck!
    
    

    Hello everyone!
    
    I'm pregnant and due September 7th.  My husband and I have been tossing
    around a lot of names.  the boy's name is no problem, John Paul
    Ventura.
    
    However, the girl's name is up in the air.  We had originally said
    "Alisha Rose Ventura", but I'm kind of leary about it for two reasons. 
    One, his neice is named Melissa and I'm afraid that they'll get
    confused.  The other is that we've gotten a LOT Of mixed reactions to
    the name.  Alisha is pronounced with a short I.  
    
    The middle name will definitely be Rose.  Can anyone think of a
    somewhat unusual name to go with ______ Rose Ventura?  Any/all
    suggestions are appreciated!
    
    Holly
    

    First name that popped into my head was Leah?
    
    Don't know why... it's never been one of my favorites, but I like
    the combination with Rose, and I like the sound of it with your
    surname.  Just an idea.  
    
    I'm in the same boat as you (with girls names).  I'm due in 9 wks
    and am still clueless as to what this baby will be named if it's
    a girl (which, based on an ultrasound, it is).
    
    We're thinking Rachel for a first name, but are just afraid of
    it's increasing popularity.  
    
    Best of luck in your search!
    I'll be sure to add more ideas if I come up with any.
    
    Julie
    

    
    It's probably more important that the first name sound nice with
    the last name since that's what the child will be called most
    commonly (except when you're mad at her 8^).   Do you like 
    Alisha Ventura?  Sometimes people don't care for rhyming-type 
    names.    The same would go for Leah Ventura.    
    
    It seems like there's tons of names that go with Rose for a
    middle name.  There's two women in my group with daughters
    that have Rose for their middle names - Amanda Rose and 
    Emily Rose - both beautiful names (and fitting, too!).
    I think Emily Ventura sounds great!   Other names that
    I think are nice:  Natalie Rose Ventura
    		       Danielle Rose Ventura
    		       Ariel Rose Ventura
    		       Jennifer Rose Ventura
    		       
    or Jamie or Megan or ...  I suppose Ace is out 8^
    
    Good luck!
    
    Carol

    I thought of Emily right off, but like Amy also.
    
    						cj *->

    An ex-DECie named her daughter.. Olivia Rose.
    I always thought it was a very elegant name.

    
    
    		I have 2 boys but always liked:
    
    
    		Ashly Rose or Ashlyn Rose
    
    
    
    						Mark
    
    

    
    My niece is named "Audrey Rose"... and only one person (me, of course)
    in the 4 years of her existance remembered the psychological thriller/
    mild horror movie by the same name (wasn't George C.Scott in that
    movie?).
    
    						Love the name, nonetheless.
    
    								- Mac

    Georgia Rose Ventura
    

	My daughers name is Kristen Rose Ternullo but I think it sounds
	nice as Kristen Rose Ventura too.

	Just thought I'd tell you about a little song a friend made up
	for her and it will go with any first name as long as the middle
	name is Rose:

	Kristen Rose, Kristen Rose
	Little fingers, little toes.

	It's short, but cute.  She loved it as a baby and still at 3yrs old
	likes me to tickle her toes and sing it.

	Good Luck - I love the name Rose!

	Karen T.

    
    	Close, Karen, but it goes:
    
    	Emily Rose, Emily Rose
    	Cute little fingers, cute little toes
    
    	;-)