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Conference moira::parenting

Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
Moderator:GEMEVN::FAIMANY
Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1292
Total number of notes:34837

297.0. "Teenager suffers unfair treatment" by TWEKE::DICKINSON () Wed Sep 09 1992 15:28

Although I realize that a lot of this conference is devoted
to issues of younger children, I am looking for some
suggestions as to how to deal with an older child's issue.

Our son is 16 years old and an avid (and quite good) hockey

player.  He plays goal.  Last year, there was an opening
on his high school varsity team for a goatender, but he was
passed by for the son of one of the high schoolteachers
who had been thrown out of prep school for drinking and was
enrolled for the first time at our high school.  I could
claim that we are biased as to our son's capabilities, but
many of the parents and players told our son that he should
have received the position.  Needless to say, he was
devastated...I think that he would have accepted the situation
if the other boy's skills were better, but they are not.  Many
think the other boy got the position because his father
is a teacher at the school.

Here we are at the beginning of the school year, and the
talk has already started.  I do not wish our son
to go through what he did last year.  I have given him
all the advice I can think of. I'm sure that he
will be given a position on the junior varsity, but I feel that
his pride is at an all time low.


Suggestions?
 

Any suggestions?
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297.1that's rough, I'm sorryTLE::RANDALLThe Year of Hurricane BonnieWed Sep 09 1992 16:3814
    I'm not sure what to say.  It sounds very likely that the other
    kid got the position because of his father's position.  It's not
    fair, or nice, but these things happen.  
    
    But I don't know what would make it easier for your son to accept.
    I had to console my daughter more than a few times for dance parts
    she didn't get and gymnastics meets she didn't win, but there were
    never any clear cases of unfair influence or favoritism.  I guess
    we were lucky...
    
    Is there another team he could play for -- a church team or a
    league or something? 
    
    --bonnie 
297.2simply become the best!NEST::JRYANWed Sep 09 1992 16:5112
    Just off the top of my head....

    He can practice, learn, and play to the best of his ability for the JV
    team. He can be the best goalie at the school, if he sets his mind to
    it! He will be rewarded for his skills, perseverance, and determination
    a 100 times over versus the other guy. Others will recognize his
    accomplishments as well (you already said folks have), and who knows
    what goes around comes around  - maybe he will be needed by the other
    team!

    JR
                           
297.3MCIS5::WOOLNERYour dinner is in the supermarketWed Sep 09 1992 16:5911
    I say make sure your son knows that you also feel this is an unfair
    situation (you don't automatically side with the adults/administration)
    but that this is one of those "there are no guarantees" object lessons.
    
    Grisly metaphor, but you might want to keep in mind that with some
    people (the new goalie?) "give him enough rope and he'll hang himself." 
    In other words, give it time; if this kid has expulsion-level problems
    and low goalie talent, he won't be able to keep his team position for
    long (Daddy notwithstanding).
    
    Leslie
297.4FSDEV::MGILBERTGHWB-Anywhere But America Tour 92Wed Sep 09 1992 17:2725
My first question is how obvious is the favoritism?
If the teacher's son has some skill at the position and is older that is
likely more than enough to prevent a younger player from surpassing him
even if your child's skill is higher.

Is the teacher also involved in the hockey program? If so this could have led
to additional prejudgement.

Has the coach established a pattern of this type of unfair practice? If not it
may be that he honestly disagrees that your son is the better player.

After examining the answers to these questions I suggest you sit down with your
son and ask him if he wants you to take this issue over the coaches head. 

You do have recourse within the school structure to go to the Athletic Director,
the Principal, and the Superintendent if you feel you are being unfairly 
treated. Let me warn you though that unless the bias is extremely obvious and
a pattern can be shown (IE past complaints or complaints from other parents
of current players) it will be very difficult to change anything. Evaluation
of talent is open to all sorts of differing opinions. One thing you might also
think about is having a chat with the coach and letting him know what you and
others experienced last season and that you will be watching to see whether 
he is being fair with your son.

Good luck.
297.5KAOFS::S_BROOKWed Sep 09 1992 18:1317
    Another perspective ...
    
    I would presume that the coach made the team selections ... If this
    coach was so open to favouritism in appointing this position, how
    many other acts of favouritism and bias go on in this team ?  Would
    you realy want your son playing on such a team ?  Would your son
    really WANT TO PLAY on such a team, knowing that the coach can be
    biased and presumably therefore twisted around all kinds of peoples'
    little fingers on a whim ?  How many other inconsistencies are there
    likely to be on this team ?
    
    There is no question this is a tough blow to his pride, but sometimes
    the good guy has to prove himself in more quiet and laborious ways.
    
    Stuart
    
    
297.6Life just isn't fairTOOHOT::CGOING::WOYAKWed Sep 09 1992 20:4525
To the basenoter:

I know how you feel.  We have gone through the same thing with our 14 year
old that plays hockey.  I used to think that as they got older these situations
would not affect them (or us parents) as much, but it does.

My experience as been that a certain degree of favoratism exists with almost
every sports team, but hockey seems to be worse than other sports.   Hockey
(I have found) magnifies this attitude of it is not what you know but who
you know.  Granted, the superstars are not as affected but in general this
happens.

Again, from experience, I would not recommend going to the coach.  He (or she)
are well aware of the situation, but often because of pressure from the "In
crowd" (and they are often members of this crowd) allow these situations to
occur.  Going to the coach only seems to make the situation worse for the kid.

It is easier said than done, but I feel the best thing you can do for your son
is to explain the situation and recognize his feelings. And hope that what
goes around comes around.

Wish I could offer more, but like I said, I know how you feel.  Good luck in
resolving this one.

Barbara
297.7A1VAX::DISMUKESay you saw it in NOTES...Mon Sep 14 1992 10:3310
    I tend to agree with the noter who suggested that your son become the
    best JV goalie.  Also that your son will have to learn how to handle
    the disappointments that will come his way throughout life.  How many
    of us in here get ticked off when someone is given a promotion, but it
    was what WE deserved!  Your son needs to learn that his personal growth
    and esteem need not suffer at the hands of others - he needs to learn
    to accept and be comfortable in any situation he find himself (until
    the changes come - because they usually do at some point 8^) ).
    
    -sandy
297.8politics is a part of sports at all levelsSTROKR::dehahnninety eight don't be lateMon Sep 14 1992 11:1611
If your son has any aspirations to continue playing sports through school, and
maybe even beyond, he'll realize that this kind of thing happens often. Pro
athletes in team sports live every day knowing that they could be demoted to
the minors or traded away at any time. It goes with the territory.

Go for JV. If he's really that good he'll play his way onto the team.

Good luck,

Chris
297.9Some suggestionsPOWDML::PCLX31::SatowMon Sep 14 1992 13:1283
     I think whether or not he goes to the coach depends on how
approachable he thinks the coach is.  If he doesn't believe the
coach is approachable,then he might get an answer that he can
accept, though not necessarily like; for example, some coaches
give preference to upperclassmen; an underclassman must be a LOT
better in order to win the position.  He may not like that
philosophy, but at least there will be a day that HE is the
upperclassman. If he does talk to the coach, he needs to avoid
any implication that he is accusing the coach of playing
favorites; rather, he should approach it as a "what do I need to
do to be the first string goalie."  If the coach has a problem
with that, then he probably isn't worth playing for.  I think 16
isold enough that he, not you, should be able to approach the
coach.
    If he does not get satisfaction, he should concentrate on
holding his head high, and not resort to backstabbing.  If the
situation is as you describe it, it's highly probable that the
other young man will self destruct, or that there will be
dissension on the team.  Your son should make sure that he keeps
his distance from any of that.
     From an hockey standpoint, I assume that you are located in
Eastern Massachusetts, or at least in New England.  Quite apart
from how he treats the human relations aspect of this, there are
MANY hockey opportunities available which he might explore.  In
human relations/parenting terms, this is saying "No, life isn't
fair, but you don't always have to accept the unfairness;
sometimes you can do something about it (other than complaining
or accepting or filing a lawsuit).
     On possibility is to look for other hockey teams to play on. 
I'm sureif you or your son will ask around the rink that he plays
at and at nearby rinks, he will be able to find anything from
pickup games to organized leagues.  My impression is that a
decent goaltender can play pretty much as much hockey as he
wants, depending on what hours he wants to play, and how far he's
willing to travel.  One advantage of playing goalie is that
frequently the pickup games don't require the goalies to pay for
the ice time (fair enough, since I'm sure you know as well as
anyone how much goalie equipment costs).  While I'm sure he'd
rather play on the school team with his friends, playing in other
games will keep his skills sharp, and if he picks the right level
of competition, can boost his self-esteem.
     There are many town hockey programs, independent of the
school programs. If there is not one at your son's level in your
town (I'm assuming that there isn't, since you didn't mention
it), you could explore the hockey programs in nearby towns.  A
person from one town can play in another town's program through a
"waiver" system, which should be easily available if your town
doesn't have a program; also I'm not sure that waivers are even
necessary for goalies.
     If he were to do something like that, the coach may get some
messages,especially if you and your son avoid complaining and
accusing the coach of favoritism.  He may get a message that
here's a kid who's taking some initiative to improve his hockey
skills.  That's a positive message.  Or here's a kid who won't be
pushed around.  That's a positive message also. Or the coach may
view it as a threat, in which case, he's probably not the
kind of person you'd want to play for (or want your son to play
for).
     To take it a step further, you describe him as "avid (and
quite good)."  In eastern Massachusetts, some of the best hockey
is played in independentleagues, which are run quite apart from
the school leagues (which has the advantage that they don't
necessarily preclude his participating in his school program). 
He could consider trying out for one of those teams.  Once again,
good goalies are in high demand.
     And to take it a giant step farther, if he's avid enough,
and good enough, the best high school hockey in Massachusetts is
played in the private and the parochial schools, some of which
provide partial scholarship aid, so it may not be as expensive as
you think (and the school might be better also).  Changing
schools would be a radical step, but I'm not sure how seriously
he takes hockey.
     The one thing to be aware of is that youth hockey can be
quite cutthroat in the way described in a previous note as well
as that they wouldn't shy away from hurting someone's feelings in
order to put replace someone with another player who is better. 
But at least if that were to happen, your son may be better able
to accept it, since the other player would be more likely to
really be better.
     Good luck with whatever you decide.

Clay

297.10I was really proud of my son!TANNAY::BETTELSCheryl, Eur. Ext. Res. Prg., DTN 821-4022Wed Sep 16 1992 04:2425
Dirk wants to be a professional basketball player and certainly has the
physique for it.  This year, because we were still on vacation, he showed up
for basketball practice one training late.  Here, you must play in a club and
be licensed to play.  It also costs a lot.

Dirk was terribly disappointed because he didn't make the best team which was
already full from day one so he has been put on the junior team.  His reaction?
"We're going to take the championship- I'm going to be the one that sees we
do it!"  (and this from a child who would hardly put himself forward for
anything in the past).

I suffered this sort of unfairness in music when I was in high school.  The 
daughter of the band director was always being unfairly promoted in almost 
everything.  Her father once forced a first year teacher to change a grade so
that she could remain valedictorian.  I was happily oblivious to most of
this (except where it concerned me and my music :-) until I attended my class
25th reunion.  I was amazed to find out how troubled this girl had been (she
wasn't at the reunion, this was from friends).  She never made a success out of
anything she did in later life.  And I was amazed at how much resentment my
friends still felt for this poor person after 25 years!!

In the end, we, who learned through hard lessons to accept and adjust to 
disappointments (even VERY ufair ones) in life, come out stronger for it. 

ccb