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Conference moira::parenting

Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
Moderator:GEMEVN::FAIMANY
Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1292
Total number of notes:34837

270.0. "Bart's Test for UK mothers" by MARVIN::MARSH (The dolphins have the answer) Fri Aug 14 1992 05:30

    
    The Barts test I mentioned in V3.0 has finished its trail on 12,000
    women (including me) and the results are published in today's BMJ
    (British Medical Journal).
    
    Hopefully it will now be offered country-wide to all mothers and will
    be free. I'll post more information about the results of the trail
    after the weekend when I have checked out what the press says about it.
    
    The first reply to this is the note I put in Parenting Volume 3 about
    the test. 
    
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270.1old note on Bart's testMARVIN::MARSHThe dolphins have the answerFri Aug 14 1992 05:3265

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Note 382.31               AFP:  Alpha Fetoprotein Test                  31 of 31
MARVIN::MARSH "The dolphins have the answer"         55 lines  12-FEB-1992 04:10
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    I second the note in .30 about scans plus would like to add some 
    information for UK mothers.
    
    If you live in the UK, you should ask about the Bart's test. You have to
    pay for this (�50), but it's a great way to obtain information from a
    maternal blood sample. You post the blood sample (in a special package!!) 
    via express post to St Bartholomew's Hospital in London who return the 
    results to your GP within a week. The Barts test gives you stats on
    your chances with neural defects, Down's syndrome and other congenital
    problems. The test is done between 16 and 18 weeks. 
    
    I was told about this test at by booking appointment at the John
    Radcliffe in Oxford, and regard it as �50 well spent. I had my AFP
    sample taken the same day (at 17 weeks) and the Oxford AFP came back 3 
    times what it should of been. I was called in for an emergency high 
    definition scan as they thought the baby had died. I was pretty sure the 
    baby was fine as I could feel it, but they just wanted to make sure. 
    
    Oxford then looked at my Bart's test results which gave a slighly
    elevated AFP (probably due to tissue from the twin I lost at 6 weeks)
    together with the stats on my chances of having a neural defect or
    Down's problem. As the the Down's stat was way down for my age group,
    that was one thing less to worry about. However as I will be almost 35
    when I deliver in May, I was on the borderline for automatic amino testing
    anyway. The stats for neural defect was 1 in 120, the stat for
    miscarriage due to amnio given I had already had bleeding early on was 1 
    in 80. We then had an hour or so of counselling with the ultra-sound
    specialist, his registrar and my obstetrician - talk about pulling out
    all the stops!!  
    
    They explained that they had only had one other rogue AFP result in 8
    years as strange as mine, that the high intensity scan showed the spine 
    and brain to be fine with the baby doing all it should do and that
    amnio was not advised in this case. They were also reminded us that no
    test is perfect and that the stats were only a guideline. We'll have to
    wait until delivery to see exactly how fit the baby is!! They now think
    high intensity scans as good as amnio in detecting neural problems - a
    skilled scanner can obtain as much information just by looking at the
    baby as a technician can from  an amnio culture with far less risk of 
    miscarriage or errors.    
    
    Given this, plus the fact they gave me a follow-up high intensity scan 
    2 weeks later just to make sure things were going well, we decided against
    having amnio.
    
    I guess the lesson from this is don't worry about high AFP, get a high
    intensity scan if you can (the only machines in Southern England
    outside London are at Oxford and Southampton). Ordinary scan machines 
    will also pick up some problems, but are not as accurate. Plus, if you
    can afford it, pay for the Bart's test if you want the back-up 
    information.  
    
                           Celia
    

270.2feedback at deliveryMARVIN::MARSHThe dolphins have the answerFri Aug 14 1992 05:3612
    
    I forgot to mention that you had to return a form to Bart's after
    delivery giving the outcome of the pregnancy and the weight and sex of 
    the baby. I was only too pleased to say that we'd had a healthy if rather
    small baby girl.
              
    Guess this is the main way they collected feedback on the success rate
    of the test.
    
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270.3blood test replaces aminoTAMARA::SORNsongs and seedsFri Aug 14 1992 11:147
    There's a genetics company here in Cambridge that is finalizing their
    trials on the same blood test system. It will replace the amino. My
    father-in-law sits on the board for the company so I follow the
    progress since it would be great to have this test available in the US. 
    Hopefully we'll hear about this within the next year or so. 
    
    Cyn