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212.1 | Where is she? | AKOCOA::BOLAND | | Wed Jul 08 1992 12:01 | 35 |
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I am struggling with this first sentence...I was recently a bone marrow
donor for my brother who has been struggling with cancer for 8 years
(he was in remission for 7 years). He underwent the transplant last
December (91), and is doing well.
Has her child under gone a bone marrow transplant (with her own
marrow)? Are they looking for a donor? Will you please keep us
posted?
You can't make the cancer go away, but please, please, don't you go
away. I know from my experience that sometimes people stay away from
you, not knowing what to say or do. This hurts. This is the time when
she needs you. Let her cry, take her shopping, hold her, do some
chores anything you can think of to let her know you are there for her.
It is harder to face when your friends disappear because they are
scared, anxious etc.
I don't know about her particular illness. I do know that there are
many types of leukemia. Do you know anything more about the type of
leukemia? What hospital is she in? Is she in Boston? Can she have
visitors?
My brother had Hodgkins lymphomia (8 years ago) and relapsed in
January of 91. He underwent the transplant because the previous
chemo and radiation treaments caused his marrow to mutate and become
pre-leukemic.
Please give her a hug for me. My own daughter is 2 1/2 and I can't
imagine her pain. I know the pain from a sibling perspective, but have
watch my parent's pain.
I'll pray for her.
Rose Marie
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212.2 | | KAHALA::PALUBINSKAS | | Wed Jul 08 1992 12:20 | 5 |
| Anna is at the University of Mass hospital in Worcester. I do not know
very much since I only learned about it last night. I do know she had
two bone marrow transplants with her own marrow. I am planning on
visiting tomorrow. I will keep you posted. Thanks for writing, Janet.
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212.3 | | CSLALL::DKYMALAINEN | | Wed Jul 08 1992 12:58 | 19 |
| This note couldn't have been more timely as we have a neighborhood
child that has been diagnosed with a brain tumor. Her surgery is
scheduled for Friday, and the mother has also spent all of this past
week in the hospital with her.
I have been struggling with a lot of feelings as to why this happened
to her, how much can she take, and what things can I or we, people in
general, do to help. The support system has been wonderful for the
mother as people have already set up a fund to help out with anything
that she might need. The mother is encouraging her classmates and
friends to visit now as we don't know what next week will bring and my
two children did just that.
All the things that I want to write, but just can't yet.
Thanks for reading and listening.
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212.4 | BE THERE and DO what you can | A1VAX::DISMUKE | Say you saw it in NOTES... | Wed Jul 08 1992 14:06 | 13 |
| You will be amazed at the strength a person will muster up when one has
to. I have a friend who lost her husband Sunday after 14 months of
fighting cancer. This woman has grown incredibly in the last year.
She is probably taking this better than I am. Funny, cause we all
thought she was the one person who was so dependent on her husband for
her own life! It's so sad when this disease strikes because it is no
respecter of persons. It will take anyone at any time. Just be there
for the family and take it upon yourself to do things. Don't just
offer - do it! Mom will not want to feel like a burden to anyone while
her baby is struggling, but she will need support!
-sandy
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212.5 | Just be there to hug and "listen" ... | CALS::JENSEN | | Wed Jul 08 1992 14:27 | 46 |
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A 4-year-old boy (at Juli's daycare center) came down with a VERY RARE
type of leukemia (diagnosed in January) and succumbed to it around Father's
Day. Soooo sad. Still brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it.
They have a younger son, in Juli's stage group. Unfortunately, they were unable
to locate a matchable bone marrow donor in time. They did find some donors
through a national donor network, who were going through the final stages
of screening, but unfortunately the boy's condition deteriorated before
the transplant could occur.
It's so difficult ... you just don't know what to say ... but SAY SOMETHING!
I remember meeting the mother at the daycare parents BBQ and believe me,
SHE did want to talk. She had such high hopes and a strong faith. She
talked about both her sons with so much love. Sometimes, just letting her
know you think of her and the family often, listen to the parents talk,
give hugs, offer to help (babysit siblings so the parents can make joint
visits ... or get away for a private lunch). For the longest time, I didn't
know what to say and felt I was being insensitive when I'd pass their father
at daycare and say nothing. Jim told me that was TERRIBLY WRONG and it was.
then that I started asking him how his son was and told him to call us ANYTIME.
We would gladly take the boy home with Juli if he and his wife wanted to
stay on at the hospital or break away for a few minutes.
I also noticed that the kids at the daycare center were bringing in little
gifts and handmade items/cards "for delivery" (via the parents). It was
so thoughtful! Small mylar balloons, colored pictures, painted and stickered
cards ...
The parents' church started a fund raiser to cover the cost of the transplant
(and travel to Seattle). They also had a pizza fund-raiser. I believe they
raised almost the $20K they needed to cover the cost of the transplant (and
related expenses).
I don't mean to alarm you, but I believe this boy had two strikes against
him ... it was a VERY RARE form of leukemia (and fast spreading) and he was
sick and run down for several months prior to the diagnosis (yes, he was
under doctor's care, but it didn't show up for several months ... or just
developed). I know of two other children who recovered from leukemia and are
doing great.
So just be there for them ... that's all you can do.
God Bless ... and I will say a prayer for Anna and her family.
Dottie
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212.6 | | MVCAD3::DEHAHN | ninety eight don't be late | Wed Jul 08 1992 14:34 | 21 |
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It's amazing how people react when a major illness or disability is
discovered, especially in a child. Some friends will stick by you right
from the start, some will wait for a cue from you, and many will leave
you. I've experienced this firsthand and it's one of the most puzzling
things about human nature I've been exposed to.
My advice is, don't worry about what you want to say. The best thing
you can say is 'I don't know what to say'. Be there for your friends,
help them out as much as you can with the simple things that will
become a burden to them. If you're interested, learn more about the
disease so you can discuss it with them. Encourage them to join a
support group so that they can learn more about the condition and what
they might expect. You might want to join the group along with them.
Most of all, just be there for them.
God bless,
Chris
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212.7 | | PROXY::HOPKINS | All one race - Human | Wed Jul 08 1992 15:20 | 22 |
| Well, I have to say something here. One thing you should probably
never say (there are many) is, "gee, you are so strong...I don't think
I could handle it". When my daughter died I had several people say
that to me and it sent me through the roof! Would they rather I threw
a temper tantrum infront of them? Maybe it was just me but that did
not help at all. What did help was friends asking if they could help
out, bring me coffee at the hospital or maybe bring me magazines to
read while sitting there with my daughter (people often think of things
they could do for the child but forget about Mom and/or Dad). Some
friends also tried to "get me out" of her hospital room for a while.
I did not want to leave and didn't appreciate it when they tried to
pressure me to do so. That's where I wanted to be. Let Mom cry! Let
her talk about it as much as she wants. When I was going through my
daughters illness and then death, no one wanted to see me cry. I felt
guilty if I did cry and felt very alone...no one wanted to hear it (I
was a single Mom). Also, I agree with the previous noters about really
making an effort to keep in touch. Many friends do leave because they
don't know what to say so they go into "hiding". It's important to
know youy have moral support.
Best of luck!
Marie
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212.9 | | MVCAD3::DEHAHN | ninety eight don't be late | Thu Jul 09 1992 09:58 | 23 |
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One addendum to my reply. It's easy to give the person your number and
say 'call me anytime'. It can be very hard for the affected person to
make that call. What really helped was people calling ME, checking up
on things and just being there.
Re: .7
Speaking of phrases which send you through the roof, the one that
made me want to murder was 'it could be worse, at least he's not
<insert your favorite illness or diability here>'. IMO this is a
totally insensitive thing to say.
You may not understand what the family is going through, but showing
them you're trying to understand, trying to help in any way you can,
can really help. There may be some times when they don't want any help.
Don;t be offended by that, it's part of the grieving process. Keep in
touch.
Chris
Chris
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212.11 | "From another one who's been thru it.." | JUPITR::LCLARK | | Thu Jul 09 1992 14:10 | 32 |
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Coming from another person of experience. I lost my daughter to
Lukemia 4 yrs. ago at the age of 3. I will have to say to that all the
previous notes hit it right on the button. People have a tendency to
be ignorant to situations that they can't handle or don't understand.
But alot of times it's better that people just don't say anything.
There is a passage in the Book of Job that says almost the exact words.
People seem to want to find a reason to justify anything. But I have
learnt that all things happen for a reason and all experience are
experiences that you make positive or negative. Your choice! I went
through this experience as a single parent. And thanks be to God, I
have made it through and I am expecting my second child in November.
So ditto, to that advice about picking up the phone and talking. I can
remember maybe my phone ringing and maybe one or two persons calling
over a 11 month period. It really showed you, the meaning of
friendship.
It also helps to know what type of lukemia it is and read up on it. So
that your friend doesn't have to go through the turmoil of answering
all the questions.
If you would like to talk off-line feel free to contact me at my mail
node. JUPITR::LCLARK.
BTW, my daughter was also at U MASS. In my opinion, I would not have
made it with out them.
Leslie
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212.12 | My apologies | GLDOA::LAETZ | | Thu Jul 09 1992 15:04 | 18 |
| I am the noter from .8 that indicated that the bone marrow draw was
easy to donate marrow. I was speaking of the two people that I knew of
that had had it done.
Someone replied to me in the mail, not wanting to post a memo because
they were too upset.
Her story was quite different, and in here case it was not EASY. I am
hoping that she will reply to this note with her story, so that you can
hear the details, but in the case that she does not, I wanted to bring
forward her reply to me.
I apoligize for taking the two occasions that I had been exposed to
this and making a carte blanc statement.
Please look into this more before taking what I said as the truth.
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212.13 | My experience | AKOCOA::BOLAND | | Wed Jul 15 1992 11:50 | 147 |
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Regarding .8 -
I am the noter which Jolene spoke of. My experience was quite
different. The doctors at Brigham and Women's Hospital
told me to expect alot of pain, but I was not prepared for what
happened to me. Not only was my experience very painful but I
did not expect a 6 month recovery period. I went into my Harvest
full of knowledge and expecting pain, but wasn't ready for what
actually happened.
This is a long reply. It contains what the procedure is like and
what I went through. It is something that I feel strongly about.
When my brother got sick in January (91) (his 2nd time), I held him
while he cried and told him that no matter what, he could have anything
I had two+ of. We didn't know he was to have a transplant at the time
(it was his choice to have the transplant, he was pre-leukemic and
could possibly have been in remission for another 8 years), nor
did we know I'd match. But, I would have given him a kidney if he
needed it.
Rose Marie
The test for matching is quite simple. Just a tablespoon of blood
is drawn.
Before the Harvest, which is what it is called for the donor, the donor
will usually store 1-3 pints of blood for themselves as most donors
(90%+) require blood transfusions immediately following a Harvest.
The bone marrow is taken from your pelvis, usually the backside but
sometimes they go through the front if not enough marrow was extracted.
Each puncture site will be redirected 50+ times through your pelvis
bone.
I forget the unit of measure, call it Z, a donor must donate Z units
for each kilogram of body weight for the transplant patient. It is
therefore a much simplier process to donate for someone who is smaller
than you, a child or small adult. My brother was about 100lbs heavier
than I at the time of transplant.
I had 5 sites for a total of 250+ breaks/holes in my pelvis bone.
Initially I was told that they would be going through the front of
my pelvis also, but since I had, what the doctors there called (and I'm
not kidding) 'juicy' bone marrow they didn't not have to extract from
the front of my pelvis. They were amazed at the quantity and quality
of my marrow. (The doctors talked about it for weeks.)
Since I donated to my brother, we were asked and entered a study
program. I gave myself injections of EPO 5 days a week for 5 weeks in an
effort to increase my red blood cell growth. My brother was also given
the drug, but intravenously (Each transplant patient have porta-caths
installed prior to treatment. They are inserted under the skin of the
chest and, from what I was told, the lines go just barely into the heart.)
This drug was used to allow me to store up to 11 pints of blood in a 5
week period. I was not able to do that, but some donors were.
95% of bone marrow transplant patients require blood products, red,
white, platelets and IGG as well as the marrow from the harvest.
Platelets are a hard product to come by. Jolene, maybe your husband
could donate platelets?
It takes 2 hours to obtain 1 bag of platelets. The blood bank can
create a bag of platelets from donates of red blood cells, but
transplant patients require platelets from a single donor, (one donor
per bag.) Each time they receive platelets, they risk fever and
infection. At the time of transplant the patient has not immune
system. (It can take up to 2 years for a patients immune system to
fully develop.)
Because of the EPO drug, I was able to store 5 pints of blood the
3 weeks prior to the Harvest. During the Harvest they extracted 1+
liters of bone marrow from me.
I refused the blood transfusion even though my hematicrit after Harvest
was 23 (normally 42 for me, average for women around 36). I had
severe anemic headaches, I couldn't stand for the two days following
the Harvest because of the dizziness and headaches. I hoped that I
could save all the blood for my brother, knowing full well that I would
not be able to donate again for many months.
We were very lucky. Neither of us used the red blood. My brother
needed many bags of platelets, a much needed blood product, and IGG,
another blood product. But from day 1 of transplant he started to
produce his/my own blood. His white cells are female white cells,
actually mine. This is where the rejection comes into place. He is
still taking anti-rejection drugs and may need to for a few more years.
He is doing much better than expected. He is on day 209 (after
transplant).
The pain was intense. I was not expecting it! I really thought I
would be able to sit with my brother while he was receiving my marrow.
Not a chance. I couldn't move for hours. I mean roll from side to
side. The muscle tissue was so torn from the 250+ times they redirected
the 'needle' that it was not 'cooperating'. I have gone through labor
and the pain in my pelvis was far greater than anything I've ever gone
through. I couldn't sit, lie down, stand up (for days)! You don't
realize how much you need your pelvis until you can't use it.
I was on iron pills twice a day for 6 months. It took that long to
get my hematicrit (red blood cell count) back to a normal level for
a women. I've been told by my primary care physician that I may never
get back to my 'old' normal of 42.
As a side note to possible women donors, it is harder for women to
recover then for men. We have monthly cycles, which to this point
never bothered me, that can reduce a hematicrit by 3 points each month.
So progress is slow. Up 2 points, cycle, down 3 points...etc.
Your body can only absorb something like 2% of the iron you take so
the more you take the better but still it isn't great. I don't have
to tell you how much fun it is to take iron pills.
It was a very emotional experience for me. I was upset when I read
.8 stating is was a easy procedure for the donor. While some people
may not have a problem, others experience great pain and lenghty
recover periods.
I realize that my experience was different than the anonymous donations
(they are only required to give blood for themselves) but I had heard of
others that went through the same program and where walking around
the next day. As with each pregnancy, labor etc, each experience
is different. To say that it is a easy procedure is misleading. It
is a simple medical procedure for the doctors. Risk of death is
very small, basically the risk is from the anesthesia. But for each
patient the experience is much different.
I will do this again, for my brother or a stranger.
Out of 4 children (including him), 3 double cousins, mom and
dad and the National Bone Marrow Registry, I was the only match and
a perfect match (except for the sex). (This is from memory -
there is a 1 in 4 chance a sibling will match, 1 in 100 that a
parent will and then the odds greatly increase...1 in 20,000 stranger)
Matching is a rare thing, we were told of a patient with 11 siblings
and not one match! It is very difficult to put in to words everything
that I went through. I would do it again in a minute! But this time,
I'll know what to expect!
Thank you Jolene for being so responsive to my mail message. It is
something very personal to me, and as I stated in my mail message I
get very upset when blanket statements are made. The pain is still
fresh, after a few years I may not be upset so easily.
Peace,
Rose Marie
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212.14 | An attaboy for Umass' caring | AKOCOA::TRIPP | | Thu Jul 16 1992 11:45 | 51 |
| I can only offer my love and support. I have had no personal
experience, in our family with leukemia, however I did loose my mother
to cancer in 1985, 6 weeks after our daughter was stillborn. Someone
made a comment to me that having a child preceed its parent to the
grave is something extremely hard to understand, it just seems so
unnatural. I am a firm believer of this now.
Since AJ spent so much time at Umass Medical, I have had what I
consider the priviledge, to seeing how much support the families of
young leukemia patients receive. There are afternoon gatherings once a
week with coffee, cookies and conversation. The families are welcome
to share, or not share at all. It is handled in an ever so gentle way.
Although I don't know much about it, there is the WHY ME foundation,
for children with serious illnesses. Umass also has the Parents
kitchen, where parents and families can go to make a cup of coffee, or
make a simple meal, utilized the stove, refrigerator, coffee maker,
toaster or just have some quiet time away from the child's room, but
still be close enough to be there should the child need them.
What I did observe is that no matter how sick the child is, the
playroom is offered as an escape from the hospital room, and medical
proceedures. It was recently renovated, and completely stocked
compliments of Toys R Us. As toys are worn out or broken, they replace
them at no charge to anyone. Arts, crafts, drawings, story telling,
nintendo are there as a diversion. There is a strictly enforced policy that
NO medical procedures can take place in the playroom.
I have seen parents of seriously ill children, and know from my own
experience that a good listening ear is probably the one thing that is
needed most.
Once during one of AJ's extended stays his Godmother arrived with
grinders for our lunch from the Rigatta Deli (it's right accross route
9) and we simply ate in his room. She knew better than to ask me to
leave his side for any amount of time.
There were one or two occations when hubby and I would "live
dangerously" and go out of the hospital, or even just down to the caf
for dinner. During those times one of the staff would sit right in the
room with him, they were great not just to AJ but to us, the parents as
well.
Because they use a "primary nurse" system. One nurse who knows your
child better than anyone else, this nurse will literally be with you
right up until the end, no matter what time of day or night. I saw one
nurse who had been called in in the middle of the night, and stayed
with the parents and child until the child passed on, she too cried
when it happened.
God bless you.
Lyn
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212.15 | Anna | KAHALA::PALUBINSKAS | | Fri Nov 12 1993 13:33 | 16 |
| I started this note over a year ago and thought I would enter an
update. Anna has been at UMASS Hospital for the past 3 weeks. She
originally had a staph infection which developed into 3 different staph
infections while in the hospital. Once she started to feel better
she had to undergo chemo treatment which was stronger than in the past.
I believe they gave her morphine for the pain. She had to have a
blood transfusion a few months back. When she is feeling well they
allow her to attend 2 - 3 hours a day at school, lately that has not
been possible. The broviac (?) tube which is a tube in the chest used
to administer the chemo is infected and she is scheduled for an
operation on Monday. This list could go on and on, it has really been
a rough year for Anna and her family. It is probably the hardest thing
to do is see your child suffer while you can only offer support. SOrry
for rambling on, I call, send cards, balloons and gifts but I still
feel useless.
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