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Conference moira::naturism

Title:Naturism
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Moderator:GENRAL::KILGORE
Created:Tue Jan 26 1988
Last Modified:Wed May 07 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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386.0. "Info sought for vacation in September/October" by COPCLU::SIIG (Great Dane at Large) Wed Aug 26 1992 06:53

      Hi All,
      
      I'm a 32 years old Danish DECie from Copenhagen, who will be 
      vacationing with my girlfriend in the States in September/October 
      timeframe.
      
      We both like to (sun-)bathe in the nude, and would of course like 
      to be able to do that during our vacation. I understand that the 
      legal/public view on nudity in the States differs from what we are 
      used to in Denmark, so I would therefore like some help on how we 
      should go about this: (where) will we be able to find public 
      beaches and/or campgrounds that allow nudity along the route, that 
      I have outlined below.
      
      Our itinerary (presently) looks like this:
      
      Sep. 6		By plane -> SFO
      Sep. 6->9		San Francisco (Golden Gate Bridge, Napa Valley)
      Sep. 9->11	By rented car -> Los Angeles (Hwy 1)
      Sep. 11->16	Los Angeles (Disneyland, Universal Studios, ??? 
                        Beach)
      Sep. 16->Oct. 6	By R.V. -> Las Vegas
      			-> Grand Canyon
      			-> Tucson
      			-> El Paso (Juarez)
                        -> Houston (NASA)
      			-> New Orleans
      			-> Memphis (Graceland)
      			-> Nashville
                        -> Washington DC (White House)
       			-> Philadelphia (Liberty Bell et. al.)
      			-> New York
      Oct. 6->10	New York (Statue of Liberty, World Trade Center)
      
      Any help + suggestions greatly appreciated.
      
      
      Thanks,
      Jesper
      
      
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386.1Can I go too??WILBRY::WASSERMANDeb Wasserman, DTN 264-1863Wed Aug 26 1992 10:2116
    Wow, what a great trip!!!  I'm envious!!  Five whole weeks touring the
    U.S.
    
    Well, where to start.... as you say, yes attitudes toward nudity are
    rather different in the U.S. than in Europe, to say the least.  Since
    you're covering the entire West, South, and East coast, I'd say the
    best place to start (other than this notesfile) would be a publication
    such as the World Guide to Nude Beaches (a new edition was just
    published this year).  When I was travelling around the west a few
    years, ago, I also found two books entitled "Hot Springs and Hot Pools
    of the Northwest/Southwest", by Jason Loam (sp?), to be very helpful.
    
    You could also call the American Sunbathing Association, and The
    Naturist Society to see if they'll send you any listings.
    
    Have a great time!
386.2Although the Grand Canyon in September is GREAT!WILBRY::WASSERMANDeb Wasserman, DTN 264-1863Wed Aug 26 1992 10:338
    Oh, also, you probably know this, but the weather in Washington DC,
    Philadelphia and New York probabably won't be too conducive toward
    sunbathing (nude or otherwise) in October.  But that doesn't really
    matter, since the majority of clothing-optional places are in the West
    anyway :-(
    
    Deb a-lifelong-east-coast-resident-who-should-probably-live-elsewhere!
    
386.3>>You're starting in the RIGHT PLACE!!<<CSC32::G_WILLIAMSONWed Aug 26 1992 18:0823
         There are places all along Hwy 1 south of San Francisco to beach
    in the buff ;-).  My SO & I found a number of places just north of
    Santa Cruz, which should be right along your route to LA.
    
         These places have cliffs that you have to walk down to get to the
    beach, but they have fairly easy trails to get down.  To find these
    places, just look for cars parked along the highway.  NOTE: the more
    cars there are, the more chance there will be clothed people with
    children.  We did see 2 or 3 people off to the side in the nude, so
    I guess most people don't care.
    
         However, we did find a place about 2 miles north of Santa Cruz.
    There were only a few cars, it was a small beach area and there were
    only a few people that we could see.  As you are heading south on HWY
    1, approaching Santa Cruz, watch for just a few cars parked along the
    highway and in front of a metal gate for a dirt road entering a Cabbage
    field.  You can park around there and it is about 1/4 mile walk to the
    cliffs.
    
         Hope you find it, we enjoyed it there :-).
    
    
    Greg 
386.4I know a spot - fun in the sun!THEWAV::KIRKFri Aug 28 1992 02:0222
    First of all I 'd like to say that you have a VERY nice vacation
    planned.
    
    In regards to your question concerning CO beaches/camping etc.
    I'd offer one suggestion to your Sept 6-11 itinerary along
    with Disneyland et. all. Just south of Disneyland (25 to 30 miles)
    approx 50 kilometers, on the 5 Freeway, South of San Clemente
    is the San Onofre State Beach. After you enter the State Park
    (fee of $6.00 per day) you will follow the main road until it ends.
    Park near the last shower/bathroom facility and then walk down to the
    beach following the "trails" towards the water (1/2 mile). Once you are
    in the sand walk south about 100 to 150 meters past the last life guard
    tower and YOU ARE THERE!  The off ramp off of the freeway is Basilone
    Road. When you get to the end of the off ramp, turn right and follow
    the road all the way into the park. You will go past the Nuclear
    Generating station on your way to the park. This sate beach allows
    camping in tents, Rv's or Motorhomes etc and has shower facilities etc.
    If you need more info call me at dtn 533-3584 or at home 714-248-1438.
    I live about 5Mi. from that area and if you need assistance I can help.
    
    Bill
    
386.5GENRAL::KILGOREUtah desert ratFri Aug 28 1992 15:395
Going from the Grand Canyon to Tucson you will pass by Shangrila (sp?).  It
is just north of Phoenix.  If I remember I'll put in what I have about the
resort this weekend.  Sounds like a great trip!

Judy
386.6Thanks all, we're outta hereCOPCLU::SIIGGreat Dane at LargeFri Sep 04 1992 21:2012
      Deb, Greg, Bill + Judy,
      
      Thanks for all your suggestions, we'll see if we can get into it 
      (or rather out of it :-)
      
      
      Regards,
      Tina + Jesper
      
      
      PS: Deb (.1), of course you can!
      
386.7?WILBRY::WASSERMANDeb Wasserman, DTN 264-1863Thu Oct 29 1992 12:491
    How did your vacation work out?  
386.8Great, thanks - More later...COPCLU::SIIGGreat Dane at LargeMon Nov 02 1992 06:3010
Deb, 

You really DON'T want to know, how busy I've been since we got back. 

When (If? :-) I get the time, I'll put together a trip report for the pleasure
of the readers of this and other conferences. 


Regards,
Jesper
386.9Trip Report, Pt. I, CaliforniaCOPCLU::SIIGGreat Dane at LargeTue May 11 1993 15:00298
For those of you who've been patiently waiting (as well as for anyone else)
here's part I of my trip report covering our experiences in (mostly) 
sunny California.

WARNING: This entry contains NO nudity :-)



Sunday, Sep. 6, 1992		       Copenhagen, Denmark -> San Francisco, CA

Checked in at Copenhagen Airport at 8.05 am. (CET) We were booked on British 
Airways all the way, but had a stop-over in London Heathrow from 9.45am to 
1.15pm GMT. We were however quickly able to locate a "genuine" British pub 
complete with draught beer and all, so this was bearable.

After a pleasant (but long) flight, it was only 4.05pm PDT, when we landed in 
SF. Our luggage was still with us, and we got through customs + immigration 
w/out any problems.

We took a taxi to the Holiday Inn in Chinatown, where we had booked three 
nights. The hotel turned out to be right next to the TransAmerica Pyramid (well 
known from the opening shots of any movie that has anything to do with SF).

According to our internal clocks the time was now 3.00am, so we decided to take 
a nap before we went out for something to eat. We woke up again at 9pm (6am our 
time) and decided that SF would have to wait a little longer for our undivided 
attention

Monday, Sep. 7, 1992						  San Francisco

Since we had wasted our first night, we were up early today and ready to do 
some serious touristing at Fisherman's Wharf. We decided to walk there, and on 
the way try and see if we could find a place that served typical American 
breakfast. For natural ethnic (we passed through China Town + Little Italy) and 
holiday (Labor Day) reasons this was not very easy, so we ended up walking all 
the way down to the Wharf, where we found the stuff we were looking for: 
scrambled eggs, sausages, bacon, hash browns et. al.

After this weighty exposure to American haute cuisine, we were ready to explore 
Pier 39 with all it's souvenir shops. Who would have thought that "I [heart] 
San Francisco" could be put on basically any kind of merchandise?

On the way back to the hotel we had passed a restaurant named "The Stinking 
Rose". We returned to the restaurant for dinner and had a meal in which the 
main ingredient was garlic. Even the Dry Martinis weren't spared. Interesting!

Tuesday, Sep. 8, 1992						  San Francisco

Today we picked up our rental car from Avis: a cobalt blue Pontiac Grand Prix, 
a really nice car. After we had gotten it we went to AAA (or rather California 
State Automobile Association) to get some help with the planning of our trip. 
In my opinion a membership of AAA or one of it's associated clubs is a must for 
anyone who plans to travel in the States. We talked to a travel counselor, who 
gave us good tips, maps, TourBooks (with descriptions of all the states and 
cities we are to visit, as well as listings of hotels and restaurants) and 
CampBooks (with listings of campgrounds), all in all two bags of information, 
all for free, if you're a member of course :-)

We decided to try the maps immediately, and took a day trip around the bay. We 
went down 101 to the 13-mile long San Mateo bridge. On the other side we drove 
through Anthony Chabot Park, which was very beautiful, and amazingly quiet, 
considering how close it is to the metropolis of San Francisco. We crossed the 
Richmond-St. Rafael bridge, and went down to Tiburon, which is a very rich 
little beautiful town. I assume that is was once a fishing village, but now it 
is a posh (sort of) suburb of SF, with the commuters using hydrofoils instead 
of car/trains.

It was now beginning to get dark, and we were beginning to get hungry, so we 
bought some bread, cheese and sausages, which we enjoyed on a park bench by the 
water, with a nice view towards the Golden Gate bridge and San Francisco.

Wednesday, Sep. 9, 1992				  San Francisco -> Monterey, CA

After yesterdays training drive, we are now ready to hit the road for real. We 
headed down south, only to be enticed into a roadside beach caf� sandwich diner 
near (I think) Salinas River St. Beach for a quick breakfast. We hadn't really 
decided how far we would go this day, but since we in the afternoon found 
ourselves in Monterey, which was on our list of potential places to stay, that 
is what we did. We found a slightly run-down motel within walking distance of 
Monterey "downtown" and Cannery Row. 

In the evening we walked down to Cannery Row in the light drizzle. the weather 
had been nice all day, although not really warm enough to lie on the beautiful 
beach (some people did anyway). Cannery Row is of course known from John 
Steinbeck's novels, but I doubt he would have recognised it today, with it's 
galleries and restaurants. Tina had her doubts that we were ever to find it (it 
is some way from the center of town), but we got there eventually, and found 
(this is turning into a restaurant report) an Italian sailor restaurant, called 
Bullwacker's. The food was fine, but the place closed at 11, so it was out into 
the drizzle again. We did however manage to find a piano bar on the way home, 
so somehow it was 3am when we hit the sack.

Thursday, Sep. 10, 1992				     Monterey -> San Simeon, CA

We quickly decided that one motel night was more the enough. It is simply too 
much hassle finding a motel in the right place at the right price, hauling 
luggage up to the room in the evening and then down again the next morning. We 
will probably not be staying more than one night in most of the places anyway, 
so we might as well sleep in the car at campgrounds. 

We hadn't brought any sleeping bags, so we went to the nearest shopping mall, 
to get the cheapest they had. Tina had never been in a REAL American 
supermarket before, so she went into a coma, when she saw all the shampoo (25 
running feet), detergent (60 feet) and what have you. She has a theory that the 
reason that American TV has commercials within the programs (which is not very 
common in Europe) is simply because of the amount of goods that needs to be 
advertised. Well, we managed to only buy the most important stuff for our ice 
box, (Cokes, Buds + other essentials), and went to Pacific Grove for a secluded 
spot to picnic.

Pacific Grove is pretty, but that was nothing compared to the sights we 
enjoyed, when we headed down California State Highway 1, aka. PCH - Pacific 
Coast Highway. We simply had to stop again and again, to take in the most 
breathtaking views of the almost vertical cliffs down to the blue and green 
waves of the Pacific. Simply amazing and truly a must for anyone who travels 
between San Francisco and LA, has just a little extra time to spend.

When we got out of Los Padres National Forest and the mountains, we found 
ourselves in San Simeon, home of the Hearst Castle. It was however too late in 
the evening for that, so we headed to the campground at Simeon State Park 
Beach, that was to be our home for the night. It is a little bit chilly, but 
with a sweat shirt on we are still able to sit outside until it's time to go to 
bed, or rather front- and back seat.

Friday, Sep. 11, 1992				    San Simeon -> Santa Ana, CA

As it turned out, sleeping in the car was quite possible. Nothing like the 
water bed at home, but still, we slept.

The weather was as could be expected in the morning, a little misty, but as 
soon as we reached San Luis Obispo, the sun began to make its way through the 
clouds.

From San Luis Obispo, we continued on to one of this trips true cultural 
highlights:

Solvang

For those not familiar with Solvang (literal translated from Danish: 
"Sunfield"), maybe I should explain that it is either of the following:

a) A Danish settlement in California
b) A tourist trap dressed up as a small Danish village

Whichever definition one should chose to believe, it is a fun place to visit 
(for a Dane). Talk about culture clashes. Watching a biker (I know he was a 
biker because of the decals on his leather vest: "Harley Davidson - 25.000 
miles", "Harley Davidson - 50.000 miles" and "Jane Fonda - Traitor B*tch!") 
ordering a Danish "Medisterp�lse" in the warm Californian sun is truly 
mind-boggling.

When we'd had enough of Solvang, which didn't take all that long, even though 
it was fun to see, we took Cal. State Hwy 154 instead of going back to 101. 
This took us by Lake Cachuma, which is a large water reservoir for Santa 
Barbara. The route was what is usually described as "Scenic" in the guide 
books, and we stopped for some hours in the Lake Cachuma Recreational Area for 
some recreation, sun- and pool bathing. 

We were heading for Santa Ana, to visit an old friend of mine; Barbara, but 
since it was getting late in the afternoon, we decided that taking up the fight 
with LA's rush hours wasn't exactly what we'd consider fun, so we went into 
Santa Barbara instead. This was our first real meeting with Southern 
California, and its beaches, palms and surfers. I must admit that this is one 
part of the States that I really like, highways and all. We were in Santa Ana 
at 11 pm, and Barbara had beer, towels and a choice of bedrooms ready for us. 
After this long day it didn't take long before we were both sound asleep.

Saturday, Sep. 12, 1992							San Ana

This Saturday was dedicated to the Spirit of Walt Disney, that is we attacked 
Disneyland, or did it attack us? :-). Anyway, we spent a whole day here, and an 
unspecified amount on American $$, so I guess that they won. Since the last 
time I was here, they had invented the "Disney Dollar". Quite brilliant, for 
one thing, everybody takes one home as a souvenir, and when you're leaving you 
make sure that you spend the rest, rather than queuing up to change it back to 
"real" dollars.

I know that it is not "comme-il-faut", but I must admit, that I enjoy 
Disneyland. It has a lot of fun things to do, and everything is very neat and 
tidy. We quickly found out two things: 1) The lines are always longer than you 
think and 2) The fun rides are the ones that the small kids and pregnant women 
aren't allowed on. Our favourite: "Star Tours" (presented by M&M Chocolate 
Candies) which took us on a guided tour through the universe. Actually we 
didn't move anywhere at all, but the seats we were in moved up and down and 
sideways, while we looked through the windshield of a space craft. OK, so it 
was only a movie, but it was fun!

When we got home a swim in the pool under the stars in Barbara's backyard was 
exactly what we needed.

Sunday, Sep. 13, 1992					 Barbara's Backyard, CA

This is an easy one. Total R&R all day.

Monday, Sep. 13, 1992				Santa Ana -> Marina del Mar, CA

This was to be our last day in Los Angeles. According to our plan, we would be  
going on a little round trip: LA -> San Diego -> Grand Canyon -> Las Vegas -> 
LA. The return to LA wasn't what we originally planned, but because of a major 
SNAFU by our travel agency, we could not get our Motorhome until next week. 
Well, that's is what we thought. Just to be sure that the motorhome would be 
ready next week, and to ask if it was possible to have it a little earlier, I 
called GO Vacations, from whom we were going to rent the MH. To our great 
surprise they told us that it would be ready the next day! Certainly great 
news!

Quickly our itinerary had changed again: we dropped San Diego, and would head 
out for Las Vegas tomorrow instead. This also meant one more day in LA, so we 
decided that it was time to pay Hollywood a visit. First though we took a 
little cruise 'round Beverly Hills, where we saw the fences of the rich and 
famous. We had bought a map which had little stars that marked the houses of 
the stars, but to protect their privacy from stupid tourists like us, most of 
them had done everything they could to keep people out. Very understandable. 
But still, a very nice neighbourhood. We also went and saw "Graumans Chinese 
Theatre", (although I don't think it's Graumans anymore) with all the above 
stars' hand- and/or footprint in the cement, and Sunset Boulevard. Not too 
frightfully interesting, though.

After this it was time for real entertainment: a visit to Universal Studios. We 
started with the Tram Ride which took us all around the area. This was a lot of 
fun, and we experienced both fire, earthquake, a flood and a big guy name King 
Kong, who tried to grab us. Universal Studios also have a lot of other 
attractions. Those we tried were Backdraft, a setting form the movie about 
firemen, The ET Adventure (which was for children, and really not for adult 
like us who only ACTS childish), and The World of Cinemagic, which took us 
behind the scenes and showed us how some of the special effects from the movies 
Back to the Future, part XX and Psycho were made. It was getting near closing 
time, but we managed to get into the last showing of the shows Wild West Stunt 
Show and Animals Actors Stage, which was also very much worth seeing.

We had a motel reservation in Marina del Mar, so we headed in that direction. 
First though we wanted to visit "The Shack" in Play del Rey. I had learned of 
the place in the Malibu::LA_stuff Notes conference. Supposedly it is a place 
the the local DECcies hang out. When we got there the Monday night football 
game was just over but there were still a lot of people and a lot of action. 

The place could best be described as a SurferBeerBurgerHangout. I'm not sure if 
any of the natives were DEC people (they weren't wearing any badges or maybe 
they had just fallen on them), but they sure were able to have a good time (as 
we did too). After some of the local food, Nachos super supreme, a Shackburger 
and a Fire in the Hole (I think it was called) + a few pitchers we headed off 
towards our motel in Marina del Mar.

Except for an minor earthquake (a real one this time) we didn't experience 
anymore today.

Tuesday, 15. Sep. 1992				  Marina del Mar -> Barstow, CA

The next morning (well it felt like, but to be more precise, the next day at 
noon) we went to get the motorhome and to drop the car off at LAX. We tried to 
get a refund for the car, but since it had been paid for in Denmark the lady at 
Avis couldn't/wouldn't. We later got the money back form our Danish travel 
agency, so this turned out OK.

I was a bit surprised when we got the motorhome, since it had all of 92.000 
miles on the meter, and was from '87, but since we had gotten a fair discount, 
because it wasn't a new one, we really weren't in any position to complain. The 
motorhome was built out of a Chevy van, and had: 2 double beds (one in an 
alcove above the front seats, and one that was made by converting the table in 
the back), a bathroom with a toilet + a shower, a kitchen with 3 burners, a 
sink, a refrigerator, air-conditioning, a stove  and enough closet room for all 
the clothes + other stuff that we had with us. The utilities run on 12V/110V 
and/or propane. Having never had a motorhome before, we were thrilled at all 
this. The only thing missing: a decent radio: the one that's there only 
receives AM. Luckily we've brought a small clock radio.

We didn't want to spend more time in LA, so we headed straight for I-15 towards 
Las Vegas. In the evening we stopped at the KOA campground in Barstow, which,  
for those of you who don't know, is smack in middle of nowhere between LA and 
Las Vegas. The KOA had what we needed though: beer, food, a swimming pool, the 
most fantastic sunset that I've ever seen, and a temperature of 89�F. Who could 
ask for more?

Oh yeah, I also observed something strange: just after the sun had gone down, 
there was a bright light in the direction we had come from. I wondered if 
someone had finally blown up LA, but I guess that it might as well have been an 
ordinary UFO :-)

Wednesday, 16. Sep. 1992				      Barstow -> Nevada

On the news this morning the above mystery was solved. It seems that some 
people haven't noticed that the cold war is over, so they were still testing 
out MX-10 missiles.

Thus relieved that the free world can still defend itself, we headed of towards 
north-east. At the KOA, we had gotten a folder about the many exciting places 
one can visit in Barstow (it's a joke :-). One of them was Peggy Sues Diner, so 
we went there for breakfast. Tina had never been in an American diner before, 
so it was (actually) exciting for her. Also she had never had American 
pan-cakes before, so she had a stack of those. Too much maple syrup made them 
less exciting however. Since Baghdad Cafe was also close by we took a little 
detour to see that too. For those who's seen the movie, I think that it is 
worth the detour.

After three hour of driving we crossed the state line between California and 
Nevada and then...

							    ...to be continued