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Conference moira::naturism

Title:	Naturism
Notice:	Site report index is in topic 7
Moderator:	GENRAL::KILGORE

Created:	Tue Jan 26 1988
Last Modified:	Wed May 07 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	457
Total number of notes:	3687

356.0. "Florida strikes again" by LEDS::NEUMYER (Hard-headed/Soft-hearted man) Mon Mar 02 1992 13:28

    Florida is at it again!!!!!
    
    
The Associated Press

"TAMPA, Fla. - What began with complaints over scantily clad hot dog
vendors ended with the county banning skimpy T-back bathing suits on
beaches and other public places.

"Hillsborough County Commissioners passed the ordinance, 4-3, Thursday
night after more than three hours of sometimes acrimonious debate.

"'I'm not a prude, but it offends me to go down the street and see
somebody's bare buns,' Joseph Mulay said in a comment typical of the
ban's supporters.

"Opponent Jerry Ryan said: 'Nobody has to look if they don't want to.'

"The measure outlaws T-backs, thongs, and G-strings as nudity for
anyone older than 10.  Genitals, public areas and the entire cleft
of the buttocks must be covered.  The ordinance applies even at 
private yards, pools and beaches.

"Officers must warn violators before citing them.  Violations are
punishable by a $500 fine or six months in jail.

"The push for coverage started in October after complaints about
roadside hot dog vendors in buttocks-baring suits.

"Luke Lirot, a lawyer representing the political action committee
First Freedom, told commissioners people with distorted minds
wanted to make exposing the human body illegal or disgraceful.

"But proponents in the standing-room-only crowd told commissioners
they had to defend decency standards.

"At times the evening took on a revival meeting tone, with comments
punctuated with praise and muttering of 'Amen.'

"'Permissiveness! Permissiveness!' Mulay shouted.  'Are we going to
go down the toilet?'"

(from the Santa Cruz Sentinel, Saturday, Feb. 8, 1992)
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T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
356.1		11SRUS::LUCIA	Sweet Dream II Sportfishing Charters	`Wed Mar 04 1992 12:30`	4
	Private yards???? Are you kidding???? Can you say "Mr./Ms. Police Officer, you are trespassing!" ?? I knew you could. Tim
356.2	lets just ban anyone ever showing any skin, .. hows that!	ASIMOV::DITOMMASO	I cant get use to this lifestyle	`Wed Mar 04 1992 14:37`	24
	I certainly hope that county doesn't include the Miami Beach area, ... The Southern Miami Beach area is making a huge turn around ... and becomming very popular with tourists. I would venture to say bans like that would severly hurt the area. I saw a show on the south Miami Beach area .. which used to be all crack houses. Now they have renovated the Art Decco district along the beach .. its absolutely gorgeous. Its made a huge turn around .. could see it going down the tubes again if people like those in the base note had there way. Hey, ... I just assume that people with the basenote mentality get the crack houses .. I'll take the people in the thongs any day! The south Miami Beach area government is thinking about banning tight bathing suits on men, because the Canadian men that come down tend to have very large beer bellies .. and when they wear the tight bathing suits it accentuates the belly. Hmmmm, ... sounds like a pretty stupid argument to me! paul
356.3	Ok, call me a wimp!!	HYEND::SCHILTON	When they said sit down,I stood up	`Mon Sep 14 1992 16:56`	10
	I just came back from Florida and saw one topless woman on the South Beach area of Miami Beach. She was drawing such stares I don't know how she withstood all the attention. I couldn't have taken the pressure. Also, two topless women on the town beach in Key West. I stuck to the deck at the guest house I was staying at :-} Sue
356.4		LJOHUB::STELL	Doug Stell, DTN 226-6343, LTN2-2/K20 (A6)	`Tue Sep 22 1992 10:27`	19
	Sue, I hope that the stares and lack of freedom are simply because of the cultural background of the people visiting Miami Beach at that time. I go to Miami Beach almost every year, between Christmas and New Years. Over the years, the area between 4'th (the Art Deco area) and 21'st has become progresively more tolerant of more toplessness and thongs on both genders. The stares are no longer noticable, as they once were. Then again, this is a time of year when there is a larger European population in the area. I also am fond of observing the retired folks who live in the Miami Beach hotels and walk the area. In spite of their New York background, I have yet to see them stare or complain about the new freedoms being enjoyed. They usually complain about the management of their hotel letting tourists in, as if any tourist is a second class citizen. doug
356.5		CSSE::PDAVIES	Gun control is a quick 2nd shot	`Tue Sep 22 1992 18:18`	22
	> I just came back from Florida and saw one topless woman on the > South Beach area of Miami Beach. She was drawing such stares I > don't know how she withstood all the attention. I couldn't have > taken the pressure. > Also, two topless women on the town beach in Key West. I stuck to > the deck at the guest house I was staying at :-} > Sue Sue, on my way to the keys in June. I too stop at Miami beach and walk out to the dunes. I was standing next to one of those chairs they have out there and this little blonde got up, look me in the eye and then took her top off. and then laid back down on the chair. I took a walk along the water and then came back (my car was in that area) and didn't see too many people looking at her. which I thought was pretty nice. and the beach was pretty crowded too! I wasn't aware that you could go topless on that beach ? ~Paul~
356.6	Must just be in Tampa	SUBSYS::NEUMYER		`Wed Jun 02 1993 15:30`	9
	In the original post, the ban on t-back suits stated they were banned in Hillsborough County. I guess that acroos the bay in Pinellas County it's still OK. Driving through Largo on the way to Tampa airport, a pair of lovely young ladies were still selling their hot-dogs while clad in these wonderful suits. And this was on one of the main routes. I wonder if you can purchase the hot-dog if you are attired the same way. ed
356.7	if only it were C/O	MR4DEC::DITOMMASO	happy happy joy joy	`Thu Jun 03 1993 16:11`	11
	I was under the impression that the beach in front of the art-decco (sp?) section of miami was pretty much topless, and it was OK. This I heard from a couple people, and it sounds correct, since the area realys heavily on tourism, and doesn't want to drive away europeen tourists. Is that the south section of miami beach?? I would love to go there, but really would prefer to find a nice area that is C/O. paul
356.8	Only one visit to go by..	HYEND::SCHILTON	When they said sit down,I stood up	`Tue Jun 15 1993 08:56`	12
	Last September, on the day I was at South Beach (Miami Beach in the Art Deco section), I only saw one woman who was topless and she had her share of gawkers to put up with. But, my one visit, does not a fair observation, make. ..just back yesterday from two weeks away :-( :-( Sue ps Paul, I've got some newspapers to send you.
356.9	don't forget Haulover...	NAC::SKINNER	Robin,DB/TP/NAS Svc Prod Mgmt,226-5076	`Tue Jun 22 1993 10:55`	6
	I'm pretty sure Haulover Beach in Miami is still completely CO. I loved it when I was there in February, no problems at all... I was with a large group of Naturists from the Midwinter Naturist Gathering so that might have made a difference but I'd go back anytime even without a crowd. I have no idea what part of Miami Haulover is in though.