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Conference moira::naturism

Title:Naturism
Notice:Site report index is in topic 7
Moderator:GENRAL::KILGORE
Created:Tue Jan 26 1988
Last Modified:Wed May 07 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:457
Total number of notes:3687

267.0. "Our first time...a trip report (Cedar Waters)" by DDIF::MACK (Embrace No Contradictions) Mon Aug 27 1990 17:10

My wife and son and I went to Cedar Waters yesterday, our first experience
of social nudity, and loved it.  It was a perfect day.

Pulling out of the driveway, we discovered we had a flat tire, requiring a
change to the spare and an unscheduled trip to Sears, but $65, one or two
hours, and a minor anxiety attack later, we were on our way.

The park is beautiful - see other notes for the details.  Except for a minor
pull of breath as we turned off 125 by the big sign, I was immediately 
comfortable - after a brief tour, I left my clothes in the car.

Lorraine was very nervous about the idea, but went on the basis that she could
stay clothed, and by the latter part of the afternoon, she had shed the 
evidence of her modesty and taken to the water.  It will still take a while
to get used to - she's very modest - but she's sure she'll be used to it in 
time. 

At one moment, I thought Eddy (age 3) was going to be unexpectedly prudish, 
which surprised me, but it turned out that he saw a croquet set at the camp 
office that he wanted to play with rather than to go down to the beach, which
is typical.  (What kind of dumb ideas we project onto our kids! :-))  There 
were a lot of kids there, but they were mostly a little older, and two or three
years makes a big difference at that age.

Two vivid memories of the day stand out:

As we were being shown around, sunbathing was mentioned.  My reaction was "OK,
yeah, so what" until I swam out and lay down on the float: the drowsy peace, 
drifts of sound from the beach, water gently lapping at and rocking the float, 
my eyes closed, and the sunlight flowing over my body.  If I'd thought to buy 
sunblock, I'd have stayed out there a good part of the afternoon. Now I know 
why they call the older national organization the ASA.  This is the _only_ way 
to sunbathe.

There is a grassy place on the edge of the lake a little further down than the
sand beach, where the water is shallower and therefore warmer.  Walking into 
the water facing the late afternoon sun, with the water about my knees and the 
sun both flowing down and reflecting is the kind of memory that I expect will 
carry me through the long winter months.

The whole day was a peaceful, relaxing, very easy-going experience for me - I 
found it very comfortable walking along the roads and chatting with the people 
we met, and the water was unbelievable.  Although Lorraine kept her blouse and
shorts on most of the time, she was comfortable, too, and she wants to go back.
(I think she's a little impatient with herself for feeling self-conscious.)  If
we get some more warm days before autumn sets in, I expect to scrape together 
another $16 and we'll do just that!  (We're thinking about membership and a 
real vacation for next year.)

If any couple has been thinking of visiting a nudist park for the first time, 
just do it!  I had more anxiety over that d**n tire than either of us had at 
Cedar Woods. (You see, it was my first time changing a flat, too, and I was
afraid we'd be stuck in the driveway on the last good weekend of the season 
and Lorraine would lose her nerve and we'd never get another chance to go.
As it was, the anxiety was ill-founded - like most anxieties.) Everyone there 
was welcoming and open-hearted, and the folk who run the place are the nicest, 
most open and easy-going, folk you could hope to meet.

								Ralph
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267.1Directions to Cedar WatersDDIF::MACKEmbrace No ContradictionsSat Jul 27 1991 02:5237
    I am surprised to discover with a quick DIR/TITLE that this is the
    only base note about Cedar Waters. If there are directions to the
    place in the conference, I didn't find them, so at the risk of 
    repetition, I'll post them here.
    
    From Nashua area, get onto Route 3 North. (75c toll) Take the beltway 
    south of Manchester (past the Mall of New Hampshire.  (It's 101 East 
    and 293, and has airport signs on it, a feature my 4-year-old son likes.)
    This will bring you to 93 east of the city - go north and take exit 7 
    to 101 East.
    
    After you've gone quite a ways, the 65 mile per hour road will turn
    into a 2-lane undivided highway in Epping.  Don't be alarmed by all
    the little white crosses either side of the road, but do turn your
    lights on. 
    
    Route 125 is the first thing that looks like an exit off of this 
    stretch of 101. Take a left under the highway, heading north. Some
    distance up, you will pass the Lee Speedway on the left - an 
    unmistakeable landmark.  You will see the sign for Cedar Waters
    on the left just beyond the Speedway. (It has a sun on it - another
    feature my son appreciates - he seems fond of icons.)  
    
    Go left by the sign and follow that road until you come to a 4-way
    intersection.  Go right on Smoke Street.  The gate house of Cedar
    Waters is just a little ways up, on your left.  There's a slate 
    right by it that sounds quite political.  Makes a good landmark.
    Pull in just past the gatehouse, not before it.  Otherwise, you
    set off the alarm in the office.  (We did that our first time.)
    Press the buzzer, state your business, and then when they give you 
    the green light drive up the hill to the office - and you're there. 
    Enjoy!
    
    The trip takes us no more than 40 minutes from Nashua.
    Coming from Boston area, just march up 93 - no tolls.
    
    							Ralph
267.2CADSE::WONGThe wong oneSat Jul 27 1991 12:288
    The thing about Cedar Waters was that they made a big deal about 
    no singles going in there...
    
    With the availability of other naturist locations in the area (Solair,
    Moonstone, Ledges, Concord, etc), it's just not worth the bother to
    try and find someone to make up a couple.
    
    B.
267.3Correction of estimated travel timeDDIF::MACKEmbrace No ContradictionsMon Jul 29 1991 23:1614
    Conceded, Benson.  Fortunately, I happen to generally have one handy...
    and a dividend, too.  I'm glad there are places in the area that cater
    to singles - it would be awful frustrating and lonely for a lot of
    folks otherwise.
    
    On another matter... This weekend, we re-timed the trip to Cedar Waters 
    and it's more like an hour than 40 minutes.  I don't know where we got
    the 40 minute figure now. I must have subtracted a side-trip
    incorrectly.  Still, it's close enough to Nashua to make day trips
    possible. I've wanted to try Solair just for comparison, but it makes
    a tough day trip for the three of us, and I like to swim every chance
    I get.
    								Ralph
    
267.4Another Cedar Waters / first time trip reportMOIRA::FAIMANAlternately stone in you and starMon Aug 21 1995 16:19234
Posted for a contributor who prefers to remain anonymous.

	-Neil Faiman, NATURISM co-moderator

==============================================================================

  First of all, let me apologize for the 'anonymous' nature of this note entry.
 While my wife seems to be more comfortable with being nude, she is not yet
 convinced everyone else is as open-minded as those we found at Cedar Waters.
 The only way I could convince her to allow this post was with the stipulation
 it be kept anonymous. I couldn't 'bear' :^) not passing on our experience
 to all the other people out there looking for a place to introduce others
 (or themselves) to naturism.

  This describes a recent trip my wife and I took to the Cedar Waters
 Campground in Epping, New Hampshire. This was our first 'formal' experience
 with nude camping. We'd both highly recommend Cedar Waters for those looking
 for a gentle introduction to a great lifestyle!
  The key word in the last sentence is the word 'both'. We were thoroughly
 impressed by the way the owners of Cedar Waters run their camp to ensure
 an enjoyable experience for all. We went to the campground expecting to spend
 a few hours (to 'give it a chance'). We ended up staying the entire day,
 renting a cabin for Friday night and getting on a waiting list for Saturday!
 Unfortunately, there were no cancellations and we left Saturday night vowing
 to return.

  Friday -

  We left from Amherst, NH at 9am, following the directions given in note
 267.1. They are accurate with the exception of a few recent changes.

 - The sign on Rt 125 says to follow the road for 1.3 miles and turn right.
   This works better because the sign for 'Smoke' road seems to be missing.

 - The entrance to the park now has a granite oval with 'Cedar Waters' engraved.
   Very easy to spot.

  As 276.1 says, the entrance is on the left, past the gatehouse. We arrived
 at 10:05, pushed the button and talked to Mary (one of the owners). She asked
 three questions:

	"Have you been here before?" (no)

	 "Do you know this is a family and couples only nudist park and
	that you must have your wife with you if you are married and
	you girlfriend with you, if you are not?" (Yes, I'm married.)

	 "Is your wife with you?" (yes)

	 "Great, when you see the light turn green, come on up the hill
	to the office. I'll meet you there for a tour of the park."

  Those questions set the tone for the whole park. Basically, that this is
 a campground with moral standards and not a 'singles playground'. My wife
 appreciated this immensely (one concern alleviated). [Lest you get the
 wrong impression, Mary is quite friendly and outgoing and always has on
 at least a smile :^).]
  We went up the hill, past a 'Welcome to Cedar Waters' sign and ended up
 at the office, in sight of the water. Mary came out (dressed) and led us
 into the small office that's attached to their house. We dispensed with the
 formalities (name, address, phone). Once done, she took us on a thorough
 (clothed) tour of all the facilities. These included:

	- One of the 7 cabins Cedar Waters rents on a nightly basis ($45 a
	 night in addition to the $22/couple day fee). These are one room 
	 cabins with sink, stove refrigerator, table and double bed. A small
	 deck, more chairs and a Webber grill are just outside the entrance.
	 Linens are changed daily. There is no towel or 'maid' service. Cubbards
	 are stocked with plates, pans, cups, utensils, etc.
 	  They also have tent sites.

	- Bathrooms with outdoor showers.

	- Brand new Rec house with Ping-Pong, 30" TV/VCR (not usually on),
	 screened porch with tables for lunch. Upstairs there is a breakfast
	 area (great pancakes/bacon!) and another porch. They also have
	 an official Bingo board they use on Friday nights at 8. [I know, I
	 couldn't believe it either. We found out later we missed out on
  	 some great fun.] 

	- 2 camp canoes, paddle boat and row boat are available for general
	 use. No gas motors are allowed on the lake. Fishing is allowed and
	 Bass are plentiful (they have a huge trophy fish in the office
	 from last years competition. It was caught on a 'Barbie' fishing
	 pole! [The French Hill Yacht club runs there 'yacht' around the
	 lake several times a day (electric motors, VERY quiet) for the
	 amusement of all.]

	- Sauna/Jacuzzi house. Wood heated sauna large enough for 12, easy.
	 Two 4 person jacuzzis (clean, open after 1pm till 10) and two more
	 outdoor showers that MUST be used before entering the jacuzzi.

	- Lunch grill. This is a small building near the lake that serves
	 up hotdogs, hamburgers, club sandwiches and the like during the
	 afternoon. They also have frozen goods (popsicles, fudgicles,
	 Klondike bars, etc) for the kids. All are at low/reasonable prices.
	 You are welcome to bring your own food and non-alchoholic drink in
	 if you like.

	- Raft. A modern, aluminum, astro-turf covered raft large enough
	 for at least 10 people standing (5 sunning).

	- Lake.  The water is a good 10' deep near the raft and I'm told 25'
	 deep in the center. No lifeguard. No ropes around the swimming area
	 is a mixed blessing. On one hand, you can swim across the lake if
	 you have the stamina (I didn't :^). On the other hand, you have to
	 be a bit more careful to look for swimmers when you come in with the
	 canoes/boats. With freedom comes responsibility.
	  The water was refreshing but not cold and perfect for an after
	 sauna plunge (this was mid-August). I'm told they have a January
	 1st 'plunge' party where they cut a hole in the ice for those crazy
	 enough to use it (after the sauna). Sounds intense!
	  Cedar Waters owns the entire lake including at least a 1/4 mile
	 perimeter. The only entrance is the gatehouse to ensure privacy.

	- Campground. There are houses, trailers and tentsites around the
	 left half of the lake. These are, for the most part, owned by season
	 pass holders who rent the land from the owners of Cedar Waters. These
	 are monthly rentals! People have actually built small homes on land
	 they rent on a monthly basis. Some have been renting for decades!
	 This is a very stable, family-owned, business people have significant
	 long-term faith in.

	- At the water was a shuffle-board court, horseshoes, swingsets and a
	 small fishing dock.

	- A volley-ball court can be found at the end of the road. It's a
	 tar court so bring sneakers.

  After Mary finished showing us around, she briefly went over the rules.

	- 'This is a conservative park. Hand holding is probably as far
	 as it goes in terms of public displays of affection.' [While I had
	 tried, many times, to impress upon my wife that 'nude /= sex',
	 hearing this rule had real impact. For the first time, my wife was
	 wondering if these people were actually more conservative than her
	 :^).]

	- 'Make sure you bring a lifejacket with you in the boats. State
	  law.'

	- 'No alcohol.' (really, I didn't see one can/bottle.)

	- 'Sit on towels.'

	- 'Always shower with soap just before entering the jacuzzi.'

	- 'No radios/tape players unless you use them with headphones.'
	 
	- 'No kids under 12 in the jacuzzi/sauna.'

	- 'Kids over 12 must be accompanied by a parent in the jacuzzi/sauna.'	

	- 'No more than 4 in each jacuzzi.'

	- 'If others are waiting, be considerate.' 

	- 'No clothes are allowed in the lake, sauna or jacuzzi. Other than
	  that, dress to suit yourself and the weather. Nudity is allowed
	  anywhere within the boundaries of the park.'

  Mary brought us back to our car and encouraged us to come back to the office
 if we had any other questions/concerns. How could we?! It was a very thorough
 tour and the rules seemed fairly simple.
  We had our clothes off within 10 minutes. We were back at the office asking
 about a cabin rental within the hour! We met Mary's husband Terry, who seemed
 to be having some PC problems. When he found out I could help, he offered to
 give us the cabin for free just for trying! I wasn't able to recover all his
 data but they were genuinely grateful for what I was able to do and more than
 happy to have us as their guest for the night.
  We spent the day sunning, canoeing and meeting people. Everyone was genuinely
 friendly and more than happy to say 'Hi' (or more if we expressed an interest
 in talking). We met another 'newbie' couple at the Ping-Pong table and ended
 up joining them for dinner at the 'Rt 125 Family Restaurant' just outside the
 park (great Prime rib and fried clams). We passed on the Bingo (our new friends
 chided us, for missing a great time, the next day) and spent some time in the
 jacuzzi and sauna instead. We also regretted not taking Mary's advise on 
 the liberal use of sunblock :^(. We were much more careful the next day.
  With the exception of the sounds of cars racing at the LEE Speedway Friday
 night, we had a quiet night. They weren't loud enough to keep us up.

 Saturday -

  Clothes were definitely required for the first hour or so Saturday morning!
 It was about 45 degrees Fahrenheit! Breakfast at the Rec house opened at
 8am and was great. Terry and Mary were taking orders on pre-printed forms
 you fill out at your table and place on a 'spike'. They called you when it
 was ready. Lots of good food, fresh coffee and friendly banter. You pay on the
 way out and check your slip to keep Terry from undercharging!
  By the time breakfast was over, the temperature was much more moderate and
 people were starting to show up at the shore for more sun and fun. We
 spent the day playing shuffle board (after being helped with the rules by
 some friendly passers by), horseshoes and canoeing with our new found
 friends.
  There were probably twice as many people at the beach on Saturday. Many more
 families with kids splashing in the water. [We discussed the possibilities of
 introducing our 12, 10 and 9 year old kids to this lifestyle and regret we
 didn't take 'the plunge' while they were younger.]
  One event on Saturday had us concerned, at first. Terry was looking
 about intensely and talking on his portable radio when I went to the office
 to check on the PC. Seemed someone had driven by the gate entrance on a
 motorcycle and was 'touring' the park. In no time, people had pointed out
 the 'snooper' and the local police met Terry at the entrance to arrest the
 offender for trespassing. It was all handled very well with a minimum of
 fuss. Most people didn't even know it had happened. Cedar Waters has a VERY
 good relationship with the local Police department.
  Unfortunately, there were no cancellations and we had no place to spend the
 night Saturday. We said our regretful good-byes around 6pm and caught dinner
 on the way home.
  General comments:
  We were both impressed how simple, honest, open and friendly both the owners
 and fellow campers were. The facilities are immaculate and very well
 maintained. This is not what I would call a 'hopping' place but it's loaded
 with opportunitues for good clean fun. My wife is already talking about
 introducing some of her friends to Cedar Waters. She realizes most of
 them are probably the same as her. Skeptical about anything associated with
 getting her out of her clothes, especially when it comes from a man (ouch)!
 The rules keeping out singles definitely contributed to her comfort level, at
 least for the introductory plunge.
  Sorry guys, but I support this rule too. She needed a place to feel SAFE or
 we never would have had a chance to relax and enjoy this first experience.
 Knowing there would not be 10 guys for every woman also helped her to feel
 less conspicuous.
  Maybe next year we can try some of the other 'less controlled' sites mentioned
 in this notesfile. I know most of you are just as honest/friendly/moral as the
 people at Cedar Waters but, with no control over who shows up, a 'rare' bit
 of rudeness could have spoiled the one chance I may have had to introduce my
 wife to a new way of life. Now that we know what it should/can be like, we can
 probably handle the 'exceptions'.
  We are working on plans to get back before the good weather ends, if
 possible. Wev'e probably already missed our opportunity to introduce our kids
 before they become 'body conscious'. Subtle probes have already resulted in
 comments like 'gross' and 'not me'. Sounds familiar. Oh well, maybe
 someday....
267.5MKOTS3::STARBRIGHTSerenityWed Aug 23 1995 13:596
    It is first time reports like this one that always make me proud to be
    a naturist.
    
    Thank you for taking the time to share!
    
    Serenity