Conference moira::naturism

    Personally, I have never had any problems getting slides developed
    that contained "family nudity" -- that is, ordinary family vacation
    pictures where the family members happened to be nude. 
    
    At a couple of developers, I made a point of asking in advance, and
    was assured that there would be no problems with pictures containing
    "innocent" nudity.  Naturist family photography, of course, is not
    going to contain any other sort of nudity.  I now no longer worry
    about it; but I think the best advice is that that was given in a
    couple of the replies to 462 in REC_NUDE, to use a local developer
    (ideally one catering to professionals) and make sure to ask them
    about their policies before you get anything developed there. 
    
    Incidentally, several issues of CwS have contained mailers from some
    mail-order lab that specifically invites business from naturists.
    
    	-Neil

I (we), too, have never had any problems.  We may have a little bit of an 
advantage over the ordinary photo-taker since we have everything developed 
under a business name, Canyon Art.  Bob's business is photo art.  But if
I remember right the first nude pictures we had developed were before we
had the business.

We didn't use a quick (30 minute, hour) type place.  The people we think
developed them had become used to all our film coming in.  The first ones we 
had developed were prints and nothing was said to us.  Not even "nice pictures"
like we had been accustomed to :-).  This place is just a photo-developing
place that DOESN'T specialize in fast developing.  And that is all they do
(develop film) and maybe sell photo albums and film.

We have shot more using slides, including 20 or so of Valley View, with photos
of only me (the place was deserted, otherwise we don't feel others would 
appreciate the camera around).  The slides are developed at a professional
photo lab which has never given us hassle.  Since they are professionals, they
have probably seen nudes in others film too! :-)

But if in doubt, I would ask first.  It sure couldn't hurt and could keep you
out of the slammer!

Judy

    	I worked in the photo developing business for Nashua Corp (one
    of the biggest in the country) and feel I should warn anyone who
    sends in prints to be developed that ALL prints are reviewed for
    quality, etc. and most pictures of nude or semi nude people are
    copied for private collections.  So, if you don't want your pictures
    to find their way into the public arena, choose your developer
    carefully.
    
    Douglas

    This is incredibly short notice, but today on "People are Talking"
    (Channel 4, 12:30pm), the topic is "Defining Child Pornography".
    The ad I saw for it talked specifically about the issue of family
    nude pictures vs. pornographic pictures.
             
    - Molly -

    
    I don't really know about the situation in the US, but here in Britain
    the problem is the law on mailing obscene material. As a result
    most of the large places (eg Kodak) will not send you you're prints
    or slides if they notice the content. You get a form letter inviting
    you to collect them in person from their factory. The usual get
    around is to use slide film and choose to not have it mounted. That
    minimizes the handling and reduces the risk that the material will
    be spotted.
    
    Personally I have never had a problem - but then all my stuff goes
    through the company darkroom or a professional lab.
    
    The other approach of course is to send the pictures to a lab
    advertising in a naturist magazine.
    
    Footnote: you may not be aware of the fact but Polaroid sell 35mm
    slide film (both colour and b&w), that is actually quite good. The
    film appears normal, but with the film you get a second cartridge
    of what looks like film but is in fact developer. You then put the
    film and the processor pack in a machine (this is the rub - the
    machine costs about $100), crank the handle, and lo and behold,
    two minutes later you have 36 slides ready for mounting. I particularly
    like the black and white stuff...
    
    /. Ian .\

    
    	   A couple of year ago I had the distinct displeasure of
    	encountering some of that Polaroid color slide film and the
    	'automatic developer'.  I was using it to make slides of
    	business charts and graphs from a graphics system designed
    	for that purpose.  We tried the film because it came with
    	the camera and Palette box (which attached to the printer
    	port of the Pro/350).
    
    	   I had real bad luck with that film... only about half the 
    	slides came out, and the other half were smeared and had
    	the wrong colors.  I was very displeased.  So displeased,
    	in fact, that I ran out and immediately puchased some
    	Ectachrome, and threw the Polaroid stuff away.
    
    	   I never tried the B&W stuff... didn't know they had any.
    
    	   My analysis of the problem with the concept is the design 
    	of the developing machine... it just doesn't work reliably.
    	It's not all that simple to thread it properly, then you 
    	have to wind it a certain way (not too fast, not too slow).
    	It's just a pain.  
    
    	- Greg

    Re: .6
    
    Maybe a few years ago Polaroid slide film wasn't any good, but it's
    been greatly perfected today.  I have quite a bit of it here in
    my office and use it when somebody needed a presentation an hour
    ago.  Of course Ektachrome is going to be better, (what do you
    expect?) but the Polaroid slide film of today is perfectly adequate.
    The developer, by the way, must have been changed also because all
    you do is stick the film inside, close the lid, wait two minutes
    and take it out.  You do absolutely nothing.  No winding, no chemicals
    to mess around with.  And the slides look fine - a little silvery
    maybe, but you don't see that when they're projected.  I highly
    recommend this film if you want something quick that you can develop
    yourself without a darkroom.  It's expensive, though, just like
    regular Polaroid film.
    
    - KM
    

    A few years ago, I had a film of nudes and decided 'just for kicks'
    to see what would happen if I took it to a Photo-mat. No problem...they
    developed the film and gave me absolutely no problemo.
    
    
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