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Conference moira::naturism

Title:Naturism
Notice:Site report index is in topic 7
Moderator:GENRAL::KILGORE
Created:Tue Jan 26 1988
Last Modified:Wed May 07 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:457
Total number of notes:3687

90.0. "Nude Beaches in the Orient?" by HPSTEK::BELANGER (Wake me up when it's over...) Wed Jul 20 1988 13:50

    
    Saw an article in the Boston Sunday Globe 7-17-88, talking about
    nude beaches (Page B-23, Travel Section) in the Orient, in
    Phillipines, Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia. Found it hard to
    believe, since I've been to three of those countries and never
    seen/heard of this. Especially it mentioned north side of Penang
    Island in Malaysia (where my wife is from), where the article
    said that the locals have bus tours to gawk at the "naked foreigners"
    on the beach. Malaysia is a Moslem country, and women won't be 
    allowed into the country "braless". My wife vehemently denies this
    takes place there, anyone out there that can give more data (or
    personal experience) in this particular instance, as well as the
    other countries mentioned (like exact locations)?
    
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90.1"kind of" nude GVAADG::RICELillian Rice IS/ADG GenevaWed Jul 27 1988 05:3768
re: -< Nude Beaches in the Orient? >-
    
>>    Saw an article in the Boston Sunday Globe 7-17-88, talking about
>>    nude beaches (Page B-23, Travel Section) in the Orient, in
>>    Phillipines, Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia. Found it hard to
>>    believe, since I've been to three of those countries and never
>>    seen/heard of this. Especially it mentioned north side of Penang
   [..] 
>>    anyone out there that can give more data (or
>>    personal experience) in this particular instance, as well as the
>>    other countries mentioned (like exact locations)?
  
I cannot comment on the Philippines; however, being somewhat familiar with
Malaysia, Bali and especially Thailand, here are my comments.

I know of no bona fide nude beach in southeast Asia.  I highly doubt that
Malaysia would have any, due to its being a Moslem country.  This is not to
say that people *haven't* taken their clothing off on any of the country's 
beaches.  It is fairly well known to European travelers in the area that 
Malaysia is not particularly tolerent of many European customs (like sunning
without clothes), which is *not* to say that it *isn't* a wonderful country with
lovely people!

Every beach on Bali is topless, but I've gone nude when there haven't been 
many people around.  There are times when I've felt my nudity would have 
offended the Balinese and, of course, I refrained from stripping down 
completely.  One great thing about these beaches are the people who sell
massages.  They are best taken when nude and (a few years ago) were a very
good value : about 75� U.S. for an hour.  Mmmmmm...

Thailand is known as the country of smiles.  The Thai are an incredibly tolerant
people, but extremely modest.  In other words, they will put up with a lot from
tourists, but appreciate respect in return.  On the island of Koh Samui (very
touristy beach spot), there are no nude beaches; however, Mae Nam beach is not
crowded and probably the most beautiful of all on the entire island and I have
gone nude there and felt comfortable.  As with Bali, all the beaches are
topless.  Other islands off Koh Samui are, in some ways, a better bet for 
gaining an all around tan due to lower population (both Thai and tourists), but
going nude there may also require more sensitivity on the part of the sunbather.

Koh Phangan is more remote than Koh Samui and the beaches have a 
tendency to be less touristed, but you sometimes will feel that you could be
embarassing the Thai by being nude...the fewer the number of tourists who
have passed, the more modest/timid the Thai might be regarding flesh.  Makes
sense.  On the island of Koh Tao, there are almost no tourists and the people,
although extremely friendly and outgoing, require careful treatment re: nudity
from those tourists who *have* managed to find the place.  I have always gone to
the numerous tiny beaches and taken the sun in the nude, but as soon as I saw
a Thai (in a boat fishing, on the beach picking coconuts, etc), I put on some
covering.  They don't seem to be bothered too much about breasts, but as a show 
of respect, I have covered mine.

In a nutshell, I have never heard of a "legally declared" nude beach anywhere
in southeast Asia, but depending upon the location, the number of people around
and "the feeling", it *is* possible to take advantage of the sun in a manner 
which leaves no tan lines.  The bottom line (no pun intended) is to be 
sensitive, sensible and respectful to and of the people, no matter where one 
travels.

Lillian

p.s.  I like Koh Tao so much that I'm currently in the process of buying some
      land there!

p.p.s.I'm quite curious to see this article..would you be able to find it and
      send it to me via interoffice?  I'm at @GEO.


90.2HAMPS::PHILPOTT_ICol. Philpott is back in action...Wed Apr 12 1989 05:0147
    
    I can confirm the broad outline of 90.1: I was in Thailand last
    fall for a fairly extensive visit (my wife is Thai, so we combined
    a visit to my in-laws with a second honeymoon and some business
    I had to deal with (not DEC-business)).
    
    Thailand in fact has no laws about public nudity per se, though it does
    have laws about causing a nuisance: if you walked naked down Rama
    IV Highway in Bangkok you'd probably be arrested for causing a traffic
    jam... Nor does Thailand have nominated clothing optional beaches:
    but it does have beach areas nominated by the Tourist Authority
    of Thailand to be "Tourist Beaches" and these are indeed topless
    by convention, and you aren't likely to upset anybody by finding
    a quite part of the beach and going nude. The biggest problem of
    course is that the beaches are by and large all in the south, and
    the south is the area with the largest moslem population. Finding
    a non-tourist beach in the south could lead to your being arrested
    for offending the moral susceptability of the local moslem community.
                             
    The only case I know of a person being arrested for nudity was a
    few years ago a group of European photographic models and the
    photographer were arrested when one of the models posed naked sitting
    on a statue of the Buddha in a Wat in Chiang Mai. The Thais do get
    very upset when their religion is insulted.
                                  
    Incidentally for the non-muslim Thai community you'll cause greater
    distress by crossing your legs and pointing your toes at them than
    by lying nude in the sun. 
    
    This is not to say of course that Thais are not extremely modest
    in public: whilst living in America my wife would not wear a bikini
    at the beach or poolside, sticking to her very modest Thai one-piece
    swimming costumes. However on a tourist beach in Southern Thailand
    she switched to her Frederick's of Hollywood bikini the first day,
    and by the thrid day she was going topless and wearing a thong.
    However this wariness is less related to a fear of public nudity
    than to the fact that Thai culture values a pale skin much more
    than a dark one, and avoids sunbathing studiously... (Rich upper
    class people can stay indoors and have servants work for them, and
    hence have nice pale skins... the poor have to work, usually in
    the fields, where their skin tans. Hence a pale skin equates to
    a life of leisure and luxury - this of course is the reverse of
    the west where the rich can frolic in the sun, and the poor are
    trapped indoors in factories... This inversion of attitudes to tanning
    is common in the hotter parts of the world).
    
    /. Ian .\
90.3TOKLAS::FELDMANPDS, our next successThu Apr 13 1989 13:4012
>    a life of leisure and luxury - this of course is the reverse of
>    the west where the rich can frolic in the sun, and the poor are
    
    Only in the twentieth century.  In the nineteenth century, especially
    in the south, aristocratic women never went anywhere without their
    parasols, to shield them from the sun.  It was the slaves/farm hands
    who had to work in the fields.
    
    Funny how cultural biases about beauty can be derived from class
    distinctions.
    
       Gary
90.4It's the shape of the tan that matters.TALLIS::JBELLCeci n&#039;est pas une pipe. |Thu Apr 13 1989 14:5219
    I know that we're getting off track, but ...
    This reminds me of some friends of mine that have a farm.

    The daughters in the family always did outdoors work in their
    bathing suits, never in a T-shirt.  They didn't want to have
    a "farmer's tan" (tan lines on the upper arm).

    Maybe, if the general population gets swimsuit tan lines
    then having a total tan will imply wealth.

    Then there's always the trucker's tan (one arm only).

    -Jeff

    P.S.
    Not to mention the time that this same family was in a walk-athon
    that went north in the morning and south in the afternoon.  A family
    photo taken shortly after showed the whole family to be tan on the right
    sides of their faces only.
90.5BangkokUSEM::SPENCEThu Jul 27 1989 16:386
    Interesting comments. I lived in Bangkok during my four years of
    High School (ISB) and visited tons of beaches year round. Never
    once did I see a nude beach. Although it would be nothing to see
    someone on a Klong taking a bath. That was real common within Bangkok
    and the surrounding areas. When I lived there Pattatya Beach was
    the most common area for most americans and europeans to visit.
90.6Thailand-PhuketMUGSY::PAUCULTUREFri Nov 30 1990 03:485
On the island of Phuket,some spots are used occasionnally for nude bathing;first,
the southern end of the Club Med beach at Kata,but before Kata Noi,is used
rather freely over a strech of 300 m or so,mostly by italians and french (not
japanese).Then,the southern end of Surin beach,1 km north of Kamala,itself 7 km
north of Patong ,is used more openly.It is very very nice-Some thais join in.
90.7More CO Spots in Thailand & IndiaTEMPE::GAFFNEYThu Oct 03 1991 09:5325
What follows are some CO area's that I found listed recently in the INF
in the Asia section:

Thailand

Bangkok 
Tasanee Beach Resort
218 moo 2, Ladprao 48
Samsonok
Huaykwong district Bangkok 10400
phone 277-0772

Tasanee Beach Resort
Highway 4 Huazsaitoi
Cha-am District
Petchburi province 76120


India:

Bombay
Sun Club
PO Box 11090
Bombay 400020
Phone (022)204-0352                                                    
90.8More info reqd abt IndiaQCAV02::CSUNDERFri Jul 16 1993 04:355
    Hi Gaffney,
    
    	What does INF in note 90.7 mean. Can you tell me some more about 
    	CO areas in India ?
    
90.9Nudists of the world uniteJASMIN::mackEmbrace No ContradictionsTue Jul 20 1993 16:1613
>    	What does INF in note 90.7 mean. Can you tell me some more about 
>    	CO areas in India ?
    
The INF is an international organization of naturists (actually an organization
of national or regional naturist organizations) that (among other things) 
publishes a guide that includes a list of clubs that are affiliated with its 
member organizations.

I presume that the entries posted were derived from that list.

								Ralph