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| 85.1 | Naturist! | GENRAL::KILGORE | The Desert Rat | Wed Jul 13 1988 12:10 | 17 |
| My conception of the difference between naturism and nudism...If in an
environment that dictates "Naturism" you can get naked if you wish but
is not mandatory. In an environment of "Nudism", nakedness is mandatory.
(I'll probably get loads of 'letters' on my opinion. Remember, it is my
opinion and, like feelings, 'are neither right nor wrong'!)
I regard myself as a naturist. I get naked often enough! And when I don't
feel like being nude, I don't like OR want someone telling me I am not
allowed to be around them if I am not nude.
Do I care? Would I be responding in this notesfile if I did? Alot of people
know of my desire to run around naked...and it doesn't bother me a bit! My
boss and her boss knows...friends, family, etc. No problems, at least no one
is letting on that they have a problem. ;-)
Judy
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| 85.2 | Clarification | MOIRA::FAIMAN | A goblet, a goblet, yea, even a hoop | Wed Jul 13 1988 12:47 | 11 |
| Oops, sorry... that last line was intended to mean
"Which do you consider yourself, 'naturist' or 'nudist'? Or
does the distinction matter to you at all?",
not
"Does being a naturist/nudist matter to you?"
-Neil
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| 85.3 | ...but I'm not a "real" nudist | GENRAL::KILGORE | The Desert Rat | Wed Jul 13 1988 13:28 | 9 |
| >> "Which do you consider yourself, 'naturist' or 'nudist'? Or
>> does the distinction matter to you at all?",
Not unless somebody says "hey, you gotta be naked"! I don't gotta do nothin'!
Many people do consider me a nudist. But I still consider myself a naturist...
according to my definition of a naturist.
Judy
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| 85.4 | New words for old activities | RETORT::GOODRICH | Taking a long vacation | Wed Jul 13 1988 23:34 | 12 |
| one more opinion
Nudists - those folks that go to ASA clubs
Naturists - those folks who go nude at less structured places
or
Naturism is just a new word, folks got tired with the old
one and wanted to be part of a "new" activity.
- gerry
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| 85.5 | Dictionary definitions | TRCA03::MOHIUDDIN | Bismillah ir-rahman-ir-raheem | Thu Jul 14 1988 13:04 | 16 |
| FYI
Webster's doesn't have "naturism" defined, but under "nature",
a definition is "man's original or natural condition".
It does define "nudism" :
"the practice of going nude especially in sexually mixed
groups and during periods of time spent at specially secluded places."
BTW, Webster's says that the first use of the word "nudism was in 1929.
Just thought you'd wanna know....
Khalid.
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| 85.6 | I'm really not sure | MOIRA::FAIMAN | A goblet, a goblet, yea, even a hoop | Mon Jul 18 1988 18:48 | 27 |
| There seem to be several possible distinctions between naturism and
nudism.
The one that Judy makes would be that nudism is compulsive, while
naturism is optional.
Another view would be that nudism is "inward-looking" (secretive,
hidden behind fences and in camps), while naturism is "outgoing"
(open, activist, happens at beaches).
Still another is that nudism is only concerned with nudity, while
naturism is broader, concerned with nudity as it fits into the rest
of the world -- "politically conscious nudism" if you like.
This can be extended even further, to define naturism as
"politically correct nudism", where "politically correct" can be
taken as a collection of fairly standard "liberal" views,
particularly about the environment, feminism, and gay rights.
I suppose that I'm somewhere between a nudist and a type 3 (politically
conscious) naturist. I think of myself as politically conscious, and I
can see where the sorts of political issues mentioned above are
relevant to nudists; but I don't like the idea of looking down on
someone whose only interest in nudity is that it feels good, and that
people should mind their own business.
-Neil
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| 85.7 | Does Lee Baxandall have the American trademark on "naturism"? | MOIRA::FAIMAN | A goblet, a goblet, yea, even a hoop | Mon Jul 18 1988 18:49 | 42 |
| The latest CwS contains a letter from a reader who feels that CwS has
gone beyond naturism to a kind of general social activism which, while
possibly legitimate in itself, has no intrinsic connection to naturism,
and may be alienating to some naturists:
... All kinds of persons are naturists. The only thing that
_every_ naturist has in common with every other naturist is the
desire to be nude. Otherwise they are a cross section of
Americans.
However, recently you have taken partisan positions on several
questions ... [that] do not concern just naturists or naturism as
such; they concern the American people as a whole. ...
It is the purpose of this letter to point out that when you take a
position on one side of such questions you do naturism harm in that
you tend to alienate those naturists, and sometimes they are many,
who hold opposite views. ...
[Goes on to cite criticism of _Playboy_ and advocacy of feminism as
examples.]
Lee Baxandall replies at some length, including the following
paragraphs:
To make no distinctions, other than between one who drops trousers
and one who doesn't, is to be a _nudist_. Not a naturist.
Naturists _are_ opinionated, and a whole gamut of opinions _are_
present and welcome, ...
What a Naturist is, will have many interpretations. What a nudist
is, is only one thing: A person who regularly/obsessively, and/or
organizationally, drops trousers socially. Lots who do, have no
further opinion other than that they wanna do it.
The only fundamental distinction the Naturist Society makes is
between _those who examine and reflect on their actions_ and those
who don't.
Those who don't reflect, aren't going to remake American society
and values. Indeed, they're likely to be the nudists who disgrace
the idea of appropriate nudity.
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| 85.8 | who sees whom? | IOENG::JWILLIAMS | Zeitgeist Zoology | Mon Jul 25 1988 17:38 | 32 |
| I would venture to say that I'm both. My opinion is pretty simple,
I would like to see this freedom excersized wisely than to lose
it entirely. It's pretty safe to say that I will remove my clothing
when in a nudist/naturist environment, and I feel that if others
want to remain there, they should also remove their clothes. What
I don't want is a public gallery where kids can get drunk and drool
over naked bodies ( and I've seen a few wrecked heads before ).
Most of it is attitude, and if the attitude is there, then the clothes
don't matter one way or the other ( That is the point, isn't it?).
There have been quite a few people that have been clothed that seem
quite nice, and react well in the situation. On the other hand,
there have been drunken slobs who turn the place into a spectacle.
Binoculars in motor boats, drunken gangs huddled around coolers,
wide eyed photographers. It's the spectacle that the authorities
think is dangerous. People stop paying attention to what they're
doing.
Therefore, naturism is something we try to cultivate in a safe
environment, away from the demands of normal life. We try to make
the situation as natural as possible, not a spectacle. That is why
I hope that people who go to nude beaches, etc., go to participate
in the experience, and not to watch some kind of spectacle.
The key word here is participation, and I guess it's easy to see
that it is possible to participate even with your clothes on. I
might even venture further to say that taking your clothes off doesn't
necessarily make you a participant.
After all the clothes come off or stay on, the most revealing part
of your body is never covered.
John.
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| 85.9 | It's all in how you Get there! ;^) | SALEM::JWILSON | | Mon Aug 15 1988 12:18 | 19 |
| Over the weekend, while trekking to my favorite lake in Hancock,
NH, I finally realized what constituted a Nudist experience vs.
what constituted a Naturist experience.
A Naturist loads his/her backpack full of towes, insect repellent,
suntan lotion, and misc. equipment, fills a cooler full of goodies,
beer, fruits, etc. and drives to a godforsaken place, prepared to
hike two miles or more to a tiny patch of beach where another Naturist
might be present.
A Nudist packs 27 games, 7 changes of clothing, food for 1 meal
(the rest will be eaten at restaurants!), tennis equipment, volley
ball equipment, mosquito netting, inftatable boats, etc. etc. into
the 38 foot RV, drives over interstate highways to Camp, and then
b*tches when the parking lot nearest the tennis court is full!
But I'm Both, and love you ALL!
Jack
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| 85.10 | a Naturist... | CADSE::WONG | Le Chinois Fou | Mon Aug 15 1988 13:07 | 6 |
| A naturist will also leave at some godforsaken hour in order to
get the first parking spot such as they will temporarily be the only one at
the site/beach and be able to relax in the nude with the sun and
fresh air before the hordes arrive.
B.
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| 85.11 | | HAMPS::PHILPOTT_I | Col. Philpott is back in action... | Wed Apr 12 1989 04:34 | 37 |
| One of the early replies (.4 ?) says "naturism" is a new word, and
in the dictionary sense that may be true. Somewhere at home however
I have a little pamphlet - if I can find it I'll quote it properly
- dating back to the 1860s.
It is entitled something like "A Naturist Philosphy and Life-Style"
and was put out by a private club that existed in England at that
time - they owned a large country house and set up something that
today would be considered something of a hippy commune I suspect.
The philosophy is somewhat confused - a combination of humanism
with the type of animalistic half Wic'ca half neo-Druid religious
concepts that were becoming popular at the time. They believed in
the religious experience of communing with nature in what they called
a state of grace - meaning naked, and also with the mind opened
by exercizes somewhat akin to "modern" meditation.
Whilst I wouldn't go as far as to agree with the details of their
philsophy (or religion if you prefer) I would use the label "naturism"
for those who seek to commune with nature (in the broadest sense
of the phrase) and hence seek to minimise the restrictions imposed
by clothing in a sylvan setting - in naturism the nudity is incidental,
though essential to the enjoyment of, the main purpose of the
activity. Since you cannot per se commune with nature in a private
indoor setting, I would describe such activities broadly as "nudist"
- in nudism it is the lack of clothing which is paramount, and the
activities enjoyed in that state are secondary.
I enjoy many activities, and for many of them being naked heightens
the enjoyment, so I consider myself a naturist; however I also enjoy
being naked for the sensations it engenders in and of itself, so ...
In fact of course I belong to that group of people for whom the label
is somewhat irrelevant.
Of course the above definitions are purely private, you are free
to agree or disagree with them at will...
/. Ian .\
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| 85.12 | | MRKTNG::GOLDMAN | Not enough time | Mon Aug 03 1992 14:01 | 49 |
| I just got this in the mail over the weekend...thought I'd
share it here. --amy
[email protected] (Alison Rebecca Colman) writes:
>Question: Does anyone see a difference between "naked" and "nude"? If
>so, explain. This could be interesting....
Someone who saw a difference was poet Robert Graves, who wrote
the following:
THE NAKED AND THE NUDE
For me, the naked and the nude
(By lexicographers construed
As synonyms that should express
The same deficiency of dress
Or shelter) stand as wide apart
As love from lies, or truth from art.
Lovers without reproach will gaze
On bodies naked and ablaze;
The Hippocratic eye will see
In nakedness, anatomy;
And naked shines the Goddess when
She mounts her lion among men.
The nude are bold, the nude are sly
To hold each treasonable eye.
While draping with a showman's trick
Their dishabille in rhetoric,
They grin a mock-religious grin
Of scorn at those of naked skin.
The naked, therefore, who compete
Against the nude may know defeat;
Yet when they both together tread
The briary pastures of the dead,
By Gorgons with long whips pursued,
How naked go the sometime nude!
Robert Graves (b. 1895)
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Other people, of course, will have their own connotations.
Enjoy. :)
Bonnie
[email protected]
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