Conference misery::feline

    If you don't have say, Mosaic, is there another way t access?
    Thanks
    Karen

    
    
    	Karen,
    
    	I'm sure there is.  I'm just not technical enough of 
    	a person to know what it is.....  =)
    
    	JJ
    

RE: .2

No, sorry.  You have to be running windows on some kind of device and have a
Web browser of some kind (like Mosaic under DECwindows, NetScape under
Windows, etc.)

-Patrick

    There is a product called LYNX that works with the web on character 
    cell terminals.
    
    Jan

| <<< Note 867.4 by JULIET::CORDES_JA "Set apt/cat_max=4^c=8...Ack!" >>>

| There is a product called LYNX that works with the web on character
| cell terminals.

	Jan, isn't there a cheaper version of that called ESCORT? :-)

RE: .4

Of course.  You're right.  It's just that when the company lavishes all sorts
of expensive hardware on you, you tend to forget the "simpler" solutions.
=8^}.

-Patrick

    Re: .5
    
    Sorry, I'm not familiar with ESCORT.  I just have access to either
    MOSAIC or LYNX at my location (unless they have ESCORT and never
    got arround to telling me).
    
    Jan

    With LYNX no pix!

    RE: .7
    Jan,
    
    I think that was a joke. Both Lynx and Escort are cars put out by ford
    moter company; the Escort by the Ford devision, the Lynx by the Lincoln
    Mercury division (basicly the same car, but the Lynx, being a Mercury
    cost more).
    
    Deb

	Deb has it right on all counts. :-)  Thanks Deb!


Glen

    Re: .9
    
    Thanks for the 'splainin' it to me Deb.  I haven't been in humor mode
    for a while.  My workload has got me pretty well stressed lately.
    
    Jan

    The stuff at this url is kind of cute. (dispite the title, it is NOT
    porn).
    
    http://www.thecorporation.com/oneoffs/96/kittyporn/index.html
    
    
    Deb

    Cute site even if it makes fun of a very serious topic. nice
    tongue-in-cheek stuff....
    
    Of course, by having the word "porn" in their page title, I bet they
    get a lot of hits with people searching for the real stuff. A note in
    the Internet_tools notes file had excerpts from an article where
    someone recently decided to boost the number of hits his page got by
    putting the works "sex" and something... (I forget if the other word
    was "porn" or "drugs", but you get the idea) in the page title (this is
    what gets searched by most of the web-spiders out there). All at once,
    the number of hits to his page tripled!
    
    from the kitty-porn page, follow the link to the FMO (feline Mafia
    Org.) It has some great pictures, some links to other cat sites and the
    following poem. Made my eyes well up... but thought it would be
    appreciated here:
    
    
    Poem: For Sparky (RIP 1993), on his birthday 
    
    Today I dreamt of four white feet dancing,
    and golden eyes winked at me.
    My heart called out to that sweet, wild, free spirit,
    "Come back, come home! Don't leave me."
    
    Today I dreamt of a remembered face,
    and golden eyes winked at me.
    I wept selfishly to see the joy there,
    "Come back, come home! Don't leave me."
    
    Today I saw that which I had not ever seen--
    Bright orange, glowing white: an angel in my dream.
    "Sweet spirit, must I let go, let you free?"
    Golden eyes winked-- as four white feet danced away.
    
    Michelle Connor
    September 25, 1995
    

    Found this on a web page through Yahoo.  Went through the "pets" link 
    to a page that supposedly had some 200 links to pet/cat stuff.  
    Unfortunately, I had to go to another site to fix the results of a
    power failure and the PC with the web info is back in WRO.  Let me know
    if you want it and I can get it off the PC when I get back.
    
    Enjoy!
    
Cats in space

Roots

Why is it that the first we hear of the cat is when it appears in Egypt
around 2,000 B.C. as the living embodiment of the goddess Bast? The dog was
domesticated... comfortably ensconced as man's adoring servant, catching
frisbees and letting his tongue loll unattractively out of his mouth, long
before the cat arrived on the scene. Why? Where was the cat? Why are there
no images of cats in cave paintings? Why is the Bible silent on the subject?

It's quite simple, really. Cats are not from around here. We know now that
our planet was visited long ago by astronauts from a planet more
intellectually advanced than ours. There is strong evidence to suggest that
the planet what the Planet Hsif, and that cats were those ancient
astronauts.

Say these cats arrive in pyramid-shaped space shuttles, they land, they
reconnoiter, and someone's beeper goes off... there is an emergency at home
on the Planet Hsif. Everyone drops what they are doing, the bulk of the team
is hurriedly picked up by the mother ship, leaving a token force behind to
gather artifacts and guard the pyramid shuttles. The main team plans to
return to earth to complete their mission at the first opportunity. But
their return is stymied... first by a civil war, later by budget cuts.

Those astronauts left behind await the return of their team with great
patience... perhaps they stare at a spot for a year or so and then their
situation hits them. They have been abandoned. They growl, they weep, they
nap, and then with the pragmatism that characterizes their people, they
proceed to damage control. Determined to blend in, in spite of their unusual
features (they know they are fabulous looking and this will cause jealousy),
the astronauts assess the needs of the Egyptian culture and develop a coping
strategy.

They will become goddesses, rat killers, and charming domestic companions
all at the same time. Indispensable to Egyptian society, they are indulged
and pampered, their lives protected by law. In Egypt the punishment for
killing a cat, even accidentally, was death. Families who lost their cats
displayed their grief by ripping their clothes and shaving off their
eyebrows. It's all been downhill since then... no wonder cats sometimes have
that whiny sound in their voices.

This scenario seems to me easier to swallow than the one history gives us:
that the pyramids were built by laborers with only primitive technology and
without cranes or fork lifts.

You doubt it? All cats evidence a vestigial memory of their origin. Try this
experiment: bring three cats together in a room, and you will find that no
matter where they are set down, they will gravitate toward each other and
automatically arrange themselves into the shape of a pyramid.

There is evidence to suggest that hairballs are actually a very
sophisticated means of communication and that their variety, time of day and
frequency of appearance are significant. Cats emit hairballs to signal to
their people in much the same way that shipwrecked travelers build huge
bonfires on the beach in hope of attracting the attention of rescue planes.

How frustrating it must be when we rush to blot out all signs of these
communiques. Perhaps cats feel like prisoners who mark the days of captivity
on the walls of their cells, only to have their sadistic jailers rub out the
signs of their efforts as soon as they appear. I hope not. I hope they
understand that we mean them no harm, that in this as in many other things,
we just don't have a clue.

Some cats have made it back to Hsif. In 1988 one of our major tabloids
headlined the news that hundreds of cats were disappearing, kidnapped by
aliens. Au contraire, I don't think so. They haven't been kidnapped; they've
been repatriated. We miss you guys, but we know that you're truely happy at
last.

From the book: Everything Here Is Mine, by Nicole Hollander. (Avon Books,
Copyright (c) 1992 by Nicole Hollander.) Used without permission.

Please don't sue, I have no money. Everyone else - Go buy a copy, this is a
great book!



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    Re: .14
    
    I see by the end that this is by the cartoonist who does the
    Sylvia cartoon in the newspapers, a real gem.
    

    I've been playing on the web again now that my power outage crisis is
    resolved.  I've found a person who keeps a huge List of Feline WWW Sites.
    
    	http://WWW.Zmall.Com/pet_talk/cat-faqs/www-list.html
    
    BTW, that other stuff I found was through Yahoo, Recreation,
    Animals/Pets, Pet Resources... Unfortunately, my netscape session
    crashed and I haven't taken the time to location the URL info.
    
    Happy web surfing.
    
    Jan

    
    You've got to see this.
    
    http://www.comtrad.com/
    
    I almost died 8^).

    Re: .17
    
    For the  web-impaired :-), that's the self cleaning litterbox.
    

    
    Oops, sorry 8^).
    
    I liked watching the cat move its tail and head.  
    

    
    I've seen the ad for this device in a lot of magazines, but I have to
    admit the animated cat (it also moves its paw) is pretty cute...
    
    len.
    

    I viewed it with MSIEXPL 3.0B1 for WNT and it did not move...
    Is it only Netscapemoveable?
    Nat

    Silly Nat. Go to the next page!
    Nat
    :)

    
    
    	I went to all the pages...... didn't see anything move!  =(
    

    
    Judy - do you have Netscape 2.02 at least?  That's needed.
    

    I have Netscape 2.01 and the kitty (on the first page of the Product
    Description) moved... the *second* time I visited the page.
    
    Maybe s/he's being a Typical Ornery Feline ]:3
    
    Leslie

    
    
    	I have 2.02 on my workstation and Netscape Navigator Gold
    	on my PC...... neither of them helped the kitty to move.
    

    If you really want to see it, stop by my cube. 
    
    Deb

    
    Using this address: http://www.comtrad.com/ 
    
    I found the moving kitty.  It is under the "How to Order" section.
    
    I was wondering if I am seeing things or is this kitty winking?
    
    Nancy

    Still doesn't move.  Is it my imagination or does kitty not look real
    thrilled with this contraption?  He/she has this look of "okay, I'll 
    stand here with this thing but I want you to know I'm not happy about
    it." :^)
    
    Jan

    The moving image is on the second link (prod desc) and is called
    kittyanim.gif or the like. You can see it by download.
    
    And, BTW, try to use MSIEXP instead of NetScape. 
    (I use 3.0 Beta for NT now, it's GREAT.)
    
    Nat

    well, you folks are going to think I am nuts, but I just ordered 2. 
    (First one is $199+ 16 for shipping, the second one is $179, no
    shipping, and I ordered 3 sets of disposable box refills and got the
    fourth one for free, which for a "normal" two-cat houshold is a years
    supply.) I figured there is a 90 no-risk, $$back garrenty so what the
    heck, why not try it???
    
    It should arrive in 10 days. The guy on the phone said that cats seem
    to take to it instantly; let's hope that the FIRM does.
    
    Deb
    
    Deb

    
    Will be very interested to hear about your experience with this gadget Deb.
    
    len.
    
    
    

    Will do, Len.
    
    BY the way, if anyone else is thinking of ordering, there is a
    promotional code inthe web page ad that you should mention. It gets you
    a better price on something (I think the box replacements).
    
    Deb

    What I was wondering is, if the "electric eye" senses the cat jumping
    out (and waits 10 seconds before raking), what happens if cat #2
    jumps in just as #1 jumps out?  If cat #2 is motionless in his
    concerted effort ]:3 will he get raked?!  That would tend to be a
    negative reinforcement for box use :-)
    
    Concern #2 is that my "boys" are accustomed to their covered box, and
    they kick up a storm; some of the litter still gets out the door.  I
    wonder how much litter would be left to be raked!
    
    Concern #3, I've never bought the clumping stuff, don't know if the
    boys would like it, and seem to remember being warned away from it
    in this file (for reasons unremembered).
    
    Leslie

    Re: .34 seem to remember being warned away from it
    
    The clumping litter caused my cat Sweetie real problems with his
    respiratory condition.  Also reported here was a severe eye
    irritation that baffled a vet until the owner changed back to
    regular litter and the eye problem disappeared.  Out on
    rec.pets.cats, if I remember correctly, someone lost two litters
    of kittens and didn't know why until an autopsy on the second litter
    showed the kitten had a great deal of the clumping litter blocking
    its innards.  The key seems to be that this stuff locks on to any
    moisture and clumps;  it doesn't care if the moisture is on the
    eyeball or lung or the tongue of a kitten grooming its fur, etc.
    

    Oh, Karen, thanks.  :-(  I think we'll stay with "the devil we know"
    since my boys don't care which brand of (traditional) litter I haul
    home!
    
    Leslie

    I had the same concerns and I asked the same  questions:
    
    >What I was wondering is, if the "electric eye" senses the cat jumping
    >out (and waits 10 seconds before raking), what happens if cat #2
    >jumps in just as #1 jumps out? 
    
    The person I spoke to said that the electic eye waits for some amount
    of time before scooping; It isn't a motion detector, but an "object in
    the way detector.
    
    >Concern #2 is that my "boys" are accustomed to their covered box, and
    >they kick up a storm; some of the litter still gets out the door. I
    >wonder how much litter would be left to be raked!
         	
    Another concern I have as I have a couple of "sprayers", (but at least
    they spray in the box!), and a couple that are very overzelous when
    covering. I was told that while the box wasn't covered, it has *very*
    high sides that should limit the scattering problem and avoid the
    spraying problem. You do have to add some litter every few days which
    you would do anyway with clumping litter.
    
    >Concern #3, I've never bought the clumping stuff, don't know if the
    >boys would like it, and seem to remember being warned away from it
    >in this file (for reasons unremembered).
    
    This was the biggie for me, and I'm going to watch things very closely.
    My boys can be *very* fussy about their litter (and Zoe can be a
    perfect pain in the rear-end; she likes the scented stuff, and when I
    change the litter she actually rolls in it so that she becomes
    "perfumed"; instead of marking the box, she has the box mark her).
    
    The cement like qualities of the clumping litter have always bothered me,
    which is why I've never used the clumping litter. However, in the past
    year, I've had 3 go rounds of everyone comming down with a cold. I know
    that one place that cats can pass germs is in the box, and I'm hoping that if whatever they
    deposit in the box is scooped away before anyone else uses it, it
    eliminates some germ transfer. That said, if anyone comes down with a
    URI, I won't hesitate to put these boxes away for a while and go back
    to litter.
    
    Another thing I am wondering about is cleaning; I use liners but still
    bleach the box each time; I suspect that I can periodically remove the
    litter in the box and wipe things down with bleach; Given that I have
    box sprayers, I'd like to still do this. I hope that bleach doesn't
    react with the clumping litter.
    
    One other thing; they said that with 8 cats and 1 box, they would
    anticipate replacing the replaceable box eery 4 or 5 days; With two
    boxes, a week to a week and a half. Considering I change 5 boxes
    weekly (60 lbs of litter), I'm hoping that this will save some wear and
    tear on my back :-) 
    
    Deb

    Thanks, Deb, this is fascinating!  I remember the product description
    saying that you could replace the receptacle whenever it's full *or* 
    you could keep emptying [and cleaning] and replacing it for up to a year.
    Maybe that 1-year limit is a function of the plastic degrading over
    time from ammonia or whatever (wild guess).  So maybe it's not a function 
    of the number of cats (volume of "output") but a sort of half-life of
    the receptacle.
    
    Last night I was flipping through a Hammacher-Schlemmer (sp?) catalog
    and saw the box!  (Same price.)  The descriptive text said "clumping litter
    recommended"... which seems to allow for the possibility of using clay
    litter.  Did the phone rep say anything about that?
    
    Leslie 

    The phone rep didn't mention use of non-clumping litter. The description
    on the web page specifies clumping litter, and says you get better results
    with the premium clumping litter. I think that the problem is that if
    you scoop up nonclumping litter, the ball has more of a tendency to
    break apart, thus spreading the dirty litter around. I'm told by
    friends that use it that the premium clumping litter clumps (cements
    itself) togeather more solidly, so I would imagine that might be why
    they reccommond it.
    
    Another problem with regular litter with this system *might* be that
    the particles are not fine enough to sift thru the rake, and all of
    your litter would disappear real fast? (I don't know if this is the
    case).
    
    This is a bit of a tangent, but I have some experience with other "self
    cleaning" litter boxes. A few years ago, I bought one of those "Kitty
    priveys". It was a box with slats on the bottom, sitting on another box.
    The litter was corn-cob based, and covered with parafin. The basic
    marketing message  was  it was that the litter never needed replacing.
    The cats LOVED it, but I had a few problems with it. The urine pan would
    be full by the end of the day; so full, I had to bail it out to empty it.
    And the house would smell like urine when I came home (because basicly
    there was a pan of litter sitting around. Same thing when I got up in
    the morning.  Also, the replacement litter was expensive. Yes, all you had 
    to do was rinse it out with a bleach/cold water combo one a week or so,
    but cats also deposit solid waste into their boxes, and sometimes bury it.
    This litter stuck to the stools, so, it got flushed away with the waste.
    At $6 + shipping per box, this got REAL expensive fast. This might have
    beemn a reasonable and cost effective solution for a 1 or 2 cat
    household, but not for us. I might add, though, that the cats liked it
    so much, they stopped using the regular boxes.
    
    
    Deb

    
    I switched to clumping litter about a year ago.  Overall, I prefer it
    to the traditional style clay litter, and the cats don't seem to care
    one way or the other.
    
    The down side of clumping litter:
    
     1) it tracks more easily; much more and much further.  This is a real
        problem.
    
     2) small (pea-sized at worst) clumps of it can stick to the cat's
        "fanny fur" (especially long-haired cats), and it often gets stuck
        between their paw pads
    
     3) the cardboard boxes (or plastic jugs) it comes in are less conveniently
        disposed of than the clay litter's paper sacks.
    
    I haven't found a solution to the tracking problem.  I solve 2 as
    necessary by combing the clumps out and periodically checking their paw
    pads.  The cardboard boxes get sliced up and flattened for disposal.
    
    I have had no problems with the cats eating or inhaling it; it's
    relatively dust free (seems to raise less dust than the clay litter).
    I think the horror stories that circulate about clumping litter are
    either apocryphal ("urban legends") or extremely rare exceptional
    cases.
    
    I doubt the self cleaning box will work with clay litter; none of the
    clay litters I've ever used clump enough when wet with urine to be
    extracted as clumps.  I'd guess the comb will just break them up and
    though the solid waste will get swept up, you'll just end up with an
    increasingly soggy mess of urine soaked clay left behind.
    
    I may have to go back to clay litter because of the tracking problem,
    though keeping their litter boxes clean is much easier with the
    clumping litter.
    
    len.
       

    Len,
    
    I have a question about clumping litter when you combine the
    characteristics that you mention in #1 and 2. I'm concerned that when
    this stuff gets tracked across my hardwood floors, ceramic tiles or
    rugs, if the surface is a bit damp, will the tracked litter cement
    itself to the wood/carpet/tile and have to be scraped off? Or does it
    just clump to itself, and I can sweep/vaccuum it up?
    
    (hopefully I'm worried about nothing)
    Deb

    
    If it gets wet, it sticks to anything.  However, it easily washes off,
    and doesn't require scraping.  Merlin regularly tracks it into the
    bathtub, where he goes hunting for water droplets to lick up.
    
    This is why I'm skeptical of the stories of cats cementing their innards
    with the stuff.  They'd have to ingest an awful lot of it, in a very short
    time, or be seriously dehydrated; when there's a lot more fluid than
    clumping litter, the soluble adhesive just dissolves and you're left with
    something that's basically sand, i.e., no worse than the dust or
    granules of ordinary clay litter, though the particles are smaller. 
    
    Rugs can be a problem though; I have had a few instances where a cat has
    thrown up on an accumulation of the stuff on a rug (like right in front
    of the litter box when I've been lax about vacuuming up the tracked out
    stuff).  This can be very difficult to clean up, as the stuff cements
    itself to the rug backing, and it can take a lot of water and scrubbing
    to get it all out.  My litter boxes are in a carpetted closet, a practice
    which I now strongly discourage.  Put something under them.  
    
    len.
    

    thanks for the info. I'mgoing to put one of the boxes in the downstairs
    shower stall (where two boxes currently are). I have a suppply of cheep
    "rag rugs" (the $2.99 multi-colored woven Woolworth variety) that I
    guess I'll use as a runner in front of there. They don't match, but are
    washable and if they get ruined, I won't be upset. I guess I'll put
    these under the other one, which is going into the upstairs bathroom,
    too.
    
    thanks,
    Deb

    
    
    	"Treatments" for som usually undocumented kitty afflictions.
    	(quoted and forwarded to me....)
    
    	These are rather funny........
    
    	http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/funnies/cats.html
    

    How kitties perceive their slaves:
    
    http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/roseisrose/archive/
    roseisrose960821-9577.gif
    
    Leslie

    
    
    	A page for kitty lovers who also happen to be into gardening
    
    	http://www.nhn.ou.edu/%7Ehoward/garden.html
    
    	The "host" of the page is their very pretty tabby, Kozmo.  =)
    

    I've added some more kitties to my web site.  Check them out at:
    
    http://gita.shr.dec.com/gita-homepage/friends.htm
    
    But - don't try to connect today (4.1.97).  It appears that we might
    have had a power hit during last night's storm and I can't get into the
    office to restart my web server.
    
    Gita

Gita,

What cute kitties...I especially love the one under the Xmas tree, but can't
figure out who she is.  Is she a Maine Coon?

Judy, I can't wait to explore that kitty and the garden page, great site...
thanks!

Laura

O.K., following the home page links I see it's Stevie Ray under the tree!
I got confused because on the top photo it said he was flying, then it looks 
"*she's* always dressed for any ocaasion" was referring to the same cat.

Anyway, Zachary and Kensie are really knockouts!  Some of the most exquisite
kitties I've ever seen!

Laura

    Zachary humbly (!) accepts your compliments.
    
    When I get a chance, I'll fix the text on Stevie Ray and Layla's page
    so it's not so confusing as to who is who.  I just figured that since
    Layla is a tuxedo cat, she'd always dressed up!
    
    Gita

    Some good web pages to check out:
    
    	http://www.fanciers.com        (for general information)
     	http://www.fanciers.com/npa    (National Pet Alliance info/studies)
    
    Jan

http://members.aol.com/leonardsc/bengal.htm#Snow Bengal

Here is a picture of an absolutely gorgeous white Bengal cat with incredible
blue eyes!  Follw the link back to see the basket of Siames kitties too!

I've written to these people and am hoping to get a siamese cat from them, but 
would love to see their Bengals just to see!

Laura

    	For more Bengals on the web try http://www.defiant.net
    
    	I bought the kitten on the first page (a leopard spotted bengal). 
    She is a real sweetie.  Senga is 12 weeks old now and is always with
    her humans when they are home.  She plays a mean game of fetch.  We got
    this yarn ball with pieces of foil in it and she loves it.  She'll
    usually fetch it as many times as I care to throw it.  I haven't quite
    got her swimming yet, but I hear Bengals have been known to take a dip.
    
    

Senga is beautiful!!!  

I loved seeing the Bengals when I went to pick out my siamese.  One of them
leaped right onto my shoulder.  It was quite a surprise since my back was 
turned to her!  What an athletic breed...I think you're going to have your
hands full, but it should certainly be entertaining and amusing!  Is she
very affectionate as far as cuddling is concerned?

Laura    
    

    	Well its hard to tell how they'll turn out in the cuddle department
    based on their kitten behavior, but so far it looks good.  She purrs
    and cuddles constantly.  I really like the "fetch" game she plays.  I
    once had another cat that would chase anything that chocolate had been
    in, but it was a 50/50 proposition as to whether he would bring it
    back for another toss.  Bengals are supposed to be fond of water too,
    but Senga hasn't shown much interest yet.
    
    	Bengals are supposed to be big jumpers too, but that might be part
    of the "wild cat" myth.  Most young Bengals today are 10+ generations
    from an Asian Leopard Cat.  
    
    	I hope you enjoy your Siamese kitten.  I have an apple headed
    Siamese cat too (though she was a stray and I don't know if she is
    100% pure).  I had wandered across the picture of the 15+ kittens in
    the basket a few months ago.  I wonder how they ever got them to all
    sit still long enough for a picture?
    
    Brian
    

Brian,

It sure sounds like she'll be sweet!  I read on one of the Bengal pages that
they can jump 6' high with no trouble!

My siamese Lynxpoint, Buki, used to love to play fetch when he was a kitten.
He'd play for over an hour!  It all started when I threw his toy across the
room when I was tired of playing with him!

I don't know how they got all those kittens to sit still either!  

Laura    

>I don't know how they got all those kittens to sit still either!  


I remember seeing an All About Cats article on one of those pictures - 

I think they feed all the kittens so they're dozy, pick 'em up as they 
drop off, and put them in position then about 5-10 minutes later 
someone makes a noise that wakes them up..  and the photo is taken. 

Aha! That seems to be a logical explanation!

 My Dad thought maybe they took a picture of one kitten and then used
trick photography, but the facial features and coloring dfeinitely had
variations!

Laura