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Conference misery::feline

Title:Meower Power - Where Differing Opinions are Respected
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Moderator:JULIET::CORDES_JA
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1079
Total number of notes:28858

866.0. "Fighting Tom Cats" by PEKING::MUGGLETONJ () Thu Mar 02 1995 06:32

    Help please......
    
    I have 2 cats - Holly, a 10 year old spayed female, and Hanni, a 3 (4?)
    year old tom.  Hanni has never been any problem as a tom.  He doesn't
    smell, doesn't spray in the house (and not much outside) and there are
    no un-neutered females in the area.  *But* about 18 months ago another
    tom cat moved in at the end of the road.  This cat is about one and a
    half times as big as Hanni and its main object in life seems to be to
    attack him.  Hanni is about the least agile cat I have ever come across
    and he just doesn't have a chance against this other cat.  He is
    always covered in cuts and his face is now quite scarred, although the
    injuries have all been fairly superficial and none of them have got
    infected or needed any treatment other than cleaning up.
    
    My question is - if I have Hanni neutered now, will the other cat stop
    attacking him??
    
    Thank you for listening.
    
    Judy M.(Winnersh, UK)
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866.1WRKSYS::MACKAY_EThu Mar 02 1995 06:5616
    
    
    re. .0
    
    I have 2 neutered males. They don't go looking for fights. *BUT*
    they still fight any cat or dog, male or female, wandering into the 
    our yard or their definition of our yard. And yes, they get beaten up
    once in a while, quite a few times they needed vet attention. One male 
    learnt how to spray even after neutering at 6 months and nothing we tried 
    could change his instincts/habits. 
    IMO, the outcoming depends a lot upon the other tom cat's behavior,
    and how territorial your tom cat is. A book I read said that neutered
    males are *MORE* territorial than un-neutered males.
     
    
    Eva
866.2USCTR1::MERRITT_SKitty CityThu Mar 02 1995 08:567
    I believe if you neuter Hanni you will solve some of the problems
    because un-neutered animals do fight more for their territory.
    
    It would also be helpful if you could neuter the other Tom cat
    that is in your neighborhood.
    
    Sandy
866.3PADC::KOLLINGThu Mar 02 1995 09:389
    I think you should seriously consider keeping your cats inside;  Hanni
    cannot be very happy in the current situation.  In my experience, it
    takes 2-3 weeks for a previously outdoor cat to adjust to being
    indoors, and stop asking to go out.  My kitties have toys, perches
    (bookcases, dressers, etc.) in front of windows, inside and seem
    quite happy.  I play catch the catnip mouse with them and other
    games, although they also get exercise just racketing around the
    house.
        
866.4PEKING::MUGGLETONJThu Mar 02 1995 11:5716
    Thank you for the replies so far.
    
    re .1 and .2
    
    I didn't make it clear that it is not a case of Hanni defending his
    territory.  The other cat comes looking for him to beat him up.  Hanni
    tries to run away - the coward :-) - but isn't fast enough.  Our next
    door neighbour has 2 cats and Hanni takes no notice if they come in our
    garden, and he goes in their garden and there is no fighting.
    
    re .3
    
    I don't think it's feasible to keep cats indoors in the UK.  We don't
    have air-conditioning or anything like that.  We live in a bungalow in
    a semi-rural area (fields opposite) and always have windows open.
    
866.5WRKSYS::MACKAY_EThu Mar 02 1995 12:078
    
    re .4
    
    So you are hoping that by neutering your cat, the other tom cat will
    leave your cat alone? That's sounds reasonable.
    
    
    Eva
866.6WRKSYS::MACKAY_EThu Mar 02 1995 12:1511
    
    After more thoughts,
    
    	So the question is will the other tom cat still consider
    your cat a threat after neutering? Will there still be "stuff"
    in a neutered male cat's urine to "annoy" a tom cat? Maybe a
    vet or breeder would the answer.
    
    
    
    Eva
866.7Neutering may work, then again...NEWOA::GATHERNFri Mar 03 1995 10:0311
    Both of my cats have been neutered, but it didn't stop a big black tom
    called Clyde beating them up. He used to swagger around as though he
    owned the place. My youngest cat, a Birman, seemed to avoid most of the
    trouble but my eldest moggie stood his ground now and then which
    resulted in one very expensive visit to the vet.
    
    We also had to fit an electronic cat flap, which stopped him following
    our cats through the old cat flap and spraying inside.
    
    
    				Dave