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Conference misery::feline

Title:Meower Power - Where Differing Opinions are Respected
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Moderator:JULIET::CORDES_JA
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1079
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768.0. "Keeping a neighbor's cat away from our ducks" by ELWOOD::FEASE (Andrea Midtmoen Fease) Wed Jun 01 1994 10:57

         I'm caught in what is for me an unusual situation - being wary of 
    a neighbor's cat.  For those who don't know about my numerous postings
    ;^), let me preface this by saying that I have 3 very-much-loved
    indoor cats of my own, and that this neighbor's cat, Walter, is a real
    sweetheart.  But ... there may be a problem.
 
         We have 8 week old Rouen ducklings; they are about 5 pounds a piece 
    now, so they are good-sized.  They will be 10-12 pounds when fully grown.
    They spend time in their fenced-in yard, quacking away, sleeping, playing 
    in their "pond" (a child's swimming pool) and generally minding their own
    business.  I'm told that Rouen ducks can *not* fly which is why we wanted
    them, so they wouldn't be offensive to the neighbors.  We also have 
    chickens enclosed in one of those cedar sheds.
 
         Walter is, unfortunately, a bird-killer; he's killed several robins, 
    a couple of which we have tried to save in vain.  His "owners" don't 
    treat him that well, but at least he's neutered.  They refuse to keep him 
    indoors (he was wandering at about 8 weeks of age), saying he's always 
    crying to go out.  Perhaps he is, as I know some cats really do want out.
    
         Walter has walked by the chicken coop millions of times, just giving 
    them a glance and continuing on.  He seems to have no interest in a 
    chicken.  But we haven't seen him interacting with the ducks yet - we 
    don't know if he'll avoid them because they are big, or go after them 
    because they are birds.
 
         Would cat-repellant work?  We don't really have the ability to 
    enclose the top of the duck yard (which is under some nice maples, 
    providing lots of shade), and we don't want to keep them enclosed in 
    their pen (no pool in the building).  Would a squirt with a hose work 
    if Walter decides to go near the ducks work?  Or would he just avoid them 
    anyway because of their size?  Can a cat kill a 5 pound (or bigger) bird?
 
         We do *not* want to hurt Walter in any way, we just want him to know 
    that the ducks are off-limits.  Any non-detrimental ways of keeping Walter
    out are welcome.
 
         BTW we've thought of keeping Walter ourselves :^) , but our 3 are 
    enough (besides Bigfoot *hates* Walter), and even if we could, the 
    neighbors would probably just get another one, so we'd have the problem 
    again.
 
					- Andrea 
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768.1DUCK! Here comes a cat!JULIET::LANE_BEThu Jun 02 1994 12:0849
    
    The only 100% way to guarantee any animals saftey is to have them
    in a fully enclosed  place.  Of course even then, they can always 
    escape or a preditor can break in.  Life is unsure!   You just
    have to wiegh the risks/benefits by using your knowledge of your 
    surroundings, Walter's personality, and your ducks' behavior. 
    
    Only he knows for sure, but Walter sounds like he is domesticated.  
    I would think as long as he is being fed, he probably won't go 
    for a full-size chicken or a duck.  He is probably satisfied 
    with the little, snack size, easier to catch, less dangerous 
    and less LOUD critters.   Your ducks may be big enough to 
    put up a real battle cry.  Do they band together?  Cats wouldn't 
    want to be cornered by a screeching mob and would vacate pretty fast.
    
    Where I live there are all kinds of cats out and about, including
    mine.  They do go after the small birds, gophers, mice etc... but 
    never have they gone after any of the other animals.  Not even
    a semi-feral cat that used to hang around.  Most of my neighbors 
    have chickens (out loose) and ducks (they don't fly either),
    rabbits, goats, sheep etc..  We also have owl, fox and skunk around 
    our area.  They are far more a threat than any neighborhood cat.  
    In fact a couple of my human neighbors are more of a threat than 
    a cat. :^)     Only 1 animal incident has been reported in the 5 
    years I've lived  here:  one baby chick (only a few days old) 
    disappeared.   We were never sure, but this was around the time 
    we saw a fox nearby.  What kind of wild life is around your house?
    
    I was worried that my own 4 cats might go after something, but 
    they just watch in curiousity.  They have respect for the chickens 
    and stay a good distance away from them, and they pretty much 
    accept the ducks as just another neighbor.  They will watch 
    the ducks waddle by, but they don't go into attack or stalk
    mode.   We also have a wild peacock who shares his territory with us, 
    my neighbors and all our animals.  At least once a day, he sits on 
    my deck (or in my flowers - sigh)  with my 4 cats all around him.  
    They just don't seem him as a  'birdie'.    I love to watch them
    together. When our youngest kitty  was introduced to "Bob" she ran 
    up to him really fast (exciting new adventures and all) and he just 
    took a couple steps back, slowly spread his feathers and russled 
    them at her.  That was all the warning she needed.  "Just testing"!
    Maybe Walter's strolls by, are his test and he is trying to find 
    out just what these quacky critters moving in his territory are.
    
    Good luck,                     
    Becky     
    
    
   
768.2Presents!!UBOHUB::WHITE_JFri Jun 03 1994 04:5637
    I have two cats of my own, one is an adult cat of 14months and one is
    an eight week old kitten.  Over here in the Uk it is the norm for Cats
    to go outside regulary by use of a catflap in the door.
    
    I never had problems with my Cat catching birds and mice but since I
    have had the kitten (which is currently too young to go out ie he
    hasn't had his jabs) he has woken me up two nights now with 'presents'
    for the kitten.  A live mouse for the kitten to play with and a live
    bird.  Fortunately after much chasing round the house and shutting
    cats/kittens in various rooms and I managed to get both victims and let
    them free in the garden.
    
    The point I guess is that if a cat is well fed, it is unlikely that he
    will try to catch prey for food but believes they are actually doing a
    nice thing by bringing its owner a present.  Unfortunately most of us
    could do without this kind of present.
    
    A trick I had for a previous cat which I will now be adopting for my
    Cat George will be to buy a very large bell to go on its collar thus
    alarming any prey prior to the 'pounce'.  Maybe you could suggest that
    you neighbour does the same thing.  I did find that it worked for my
    previous cat for a good few months.  Cats are very clever and he did
    manage to develop his movements to ensure that the bell did not sound. 
    But at least if it worked for a while your ducks would have had a
    chance to grow and hopefully not be quite so attractive to Walter.
    
    Julie
    
    George & Harry
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
768.3For whom the Bell tollsKAOFS::B_MOLMon Jun 06 1994 11:1911
    	Yes, the old bell on the collar trick.
    	My KC (KittyCat) was all too please with herself after bringing
    	in a bird or a shrew.  I bought the bell, attached it to the
    	flea collar buckle and thought I  had saved some lives. HA!
    	Within the week she cruizes past me `on the hunt' as I sat inthe
    	back yard.  No bell ringing!  I thought she ditched it.  She just
    	learned to run with it on.
    	I took it off a couple days later after she discovered...
    	`Look Dad... this sounds like a phone when I scratch..
    	Isn't it great it is 3am and when I do this on your pillow you
    	wake up to play with me'
768.4ELWOOD::FEASEAndrea Midtmoen FeaseMon Jun 06 1994 11:5815
         Well so far we haven't seen Walter interacting with the ducks, but
    we have left them out all day while we've gone on errands and they
    haven't come to harm.  Hopefully the ducks are not "pounce-able" and
    too big - the six do band together and while they don't have nice
    sharp beaks like the chickens, they do have some talons on their webbed
    feet.  And they do stick together.  Actually I'm more afraid of a
    roaming dog than I would be of Walter, if I didn't know he actually
    catches and eats birds.
    
         We do keep the water hose nearby in case ;^) ...
    
    					- Andrea
    
    P.S.  We put them ducks in at night; there isn't much wildlife, but
    still I feel more secure having them indoors and safe at night.