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Title:Meower Power - Where Differing Opinions are Respected
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Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
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747.0. "4 Day old kitten" by AKOCOA::LAJEUNESSE () Tue Apr 19 1994 08:43

    Help.   I have a kitten that I guess is approximately 4 days old.  It's
    eyes are not open nor do they seem like they will any time soon.  I
    think they are supposed to do so at around 10 - 12 days old.  
    
    I have her on a heating pad set on low and have been feeding her milk
    replacement formula every 3 to 4 hours.  I have been doing this sinse 
    Saturday and she seems to be OK and thriving.  
    
    Is there anything else I should be doing?  I can stimulate her to do
    her bodily functions with a warm wet sponge and everything seems 
    to be working OK.  
    
    How long do I have to do that?  When do that start on there own?
    
    Do I have to do a middle of the night feeding or can I skip it?  I
    would love to be able to get a full nights sleep.
    
    Is there a good chance I will be able to bring her along?  I was
    surprised that she made it through the first night.
    
    If you have any suggestions please send them to AKOCOA::LAJEUNESSE as
    I'm not in this file very often.
    
    Thank You,
    
    Mark
    
    
    
    
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747.1Another 4 day old kittenLJSRV1::MARXTue Apr 19 1994 08:5919
    Mark,
    
    A friend of mine found a kitten about 4 days old also.  She took it to
    her vet and got instructions on how to feed it.  She used a syringe and
    did pretty much what you're doing.  The feeding continued for at least
    2 months.  Sorry, I can't tell you how she managed nighttime feedings. 
    She lives out of state.  I guess you have to keep up what you're doing
    unless you could find a nursing mother who would take on the
    responsibility.
    
    The kitty my friend found survived just fine.  My friend is the only
    mother she knows since she had no exposure to other cats.  Therefore,
    she won't respond to anyone else.  She probably should have gotten
    another kitten for this cat to learn from in the early stages.
    
    Good luck with your venture.  This little kitty is lucky to have you!
    
    Donna
    
747.2STOWOA::FALLONMoonsta CatteryTue Apr 19 1994 09:1813
    Mark,
    A kitten can open it's eyes anywhere from 7 to 14 days.  It depends on
    the breed or what is behind it.
    
    You could weigh the kitty and make sure it is gaining every day.  You
    would need to weigh at the same time each day too.
    
    I have a set of instructions  on tube feeding a kitten.  The nice part
    is it tells you how much total to give for the weight of the kitten.
    You then divide this amount up into the number of feedings necesarry.
    As it gets older, you may be able to cut out the midnite feedings.
    Good luck and persevere!
    Karen
747.3AKOCOA::LAJEUNESSETue Apr 19 1994 10:0625
    Ug.  Your not telling me what I want to here!  I don't mind the
    feedings during the day I can either arrange for someone to do the
    feedings or I can run home at lunch and feed.  It's the nights that are
    killing me.  I need my ZZZZZ's.  If she goes eight hours with out a
    feeding will she die?  
    
    If I decide to keep her are you telling me I need another cat so she
    will know that she is a cat?  
    
    It's funny.  I just moved into a big house and I wanted to get a cat. 
    I have two dogs (terriers) and cats are just another squeeky toy to
    them.  I knew I would have to get a young kitten for them to get used
    to and for it to get used to them but this is rediculas.  My female
    Terrier is due to Welp on the 15th of May.  She hears the kitten cry
    and runs to the box to make sure she is OK.  She wants to mother it in
    the worse way.  I wish she was having the puppies this week and I would
    just add the kitten to the litter and I don't think she would be any
    the wiser.  
    
    Will I still be bottle feeding in a month?
    
    Thanks for the support!
    
    Mark
    
747.4Who needs sleep???STOWOA::FALLONMoonsta CatteryTue Apr 19 1994 11:0625
    Mark,
    You can stretch the hours during the nite to perhaps getting up once. 
    But you can't let the kitten go 8 hours without a feeding.  You could
    stretch it to say five perhaps now, and then longer depending on how
    she develops.  Does your dog have any milk dropping down yet??;'}
    It could happen!
    
    You don't have to get another cat.  You may find that you enjoy her
    just the way she is!
    
    Are you bottle feeding or tubing?  Tubing takes only a few minutes and
    you could feed her more quickly to get back to sleep during the nite. 
    May I suggest that you keep her in a box on your bed?  That way she
    will stay warmer and perhaps quieter being near you.  Remember a baby
    only cries when it is in distress!!!  It is either hungry, cold or sick
    at this point for crying.  Don't let her go 8 hours without a feeding!
    You may be sorry.  Sorry for you to hear this, I have spent many
    sleepless nites waiting for a cat to give birth.  I can't imagine a
    feeding every nite.
    
    BTW where did you get this little kitten?  Perhaps one of the kitty
    shelters may have a foster mom.  The only problem with this could be
    either spreading or catching disease.  Otherwise I would offer one of
    my moms to you.
    Karen
747.5AKOCOA::LAJEUNESSETue Apr 19 1994 13:0712
    She came out of a wood pile this weekend.  Her mom ran off (I'm sure
    she would be back) and her brother was dead.  I did not want to leave
    her there to mature and add more ferral cats to the population.  I'm
    trying to trap the mother and get her fixed.  If she is ferral I'll
    just release her again and if she seems quite enough I'll try to keep
    her.  As I said my dog is due to whelp and I'm VERY concerned about
    desease.
    
    Thanks for all the suggestions.
    
    Mark
    
747.6The dog/cat thing should be okay.STOWOA::FALLONMoonsta CatteryTue Apr 19 1994 13:165
    Mark,\
    Luckily enough, most diseases of the cat is not transferrable to
    dogs!!! I don't think you need to worry in that instance.  Now that's
    good news!
    Karen
747.7Welcome to the club!!POWDML::MCDONOUGHTue Apr 19 1994 14:3036
      Ah, yes!! I remember this sort of situation VERY well!
    
      We found our orphan when she was still wet...and she grew to be a
    very feisty and beautiful dark tabby. Our Vet sez that a kitten like
    this only uses one or two of it's 9 lives while her/his eyes are still
    closed, so they have a 99.8% chance of making it with the right care.
    
      What MAY be the case with the mother could be "first litter" fear. We
    found that the mother of our kitten ws somewhat mentally unstable, and
    she had been loose and had left more than one kitten laying where it
    was born...she simply had no mothering instinct. This COULD have been
    your situation..
    
      What we did was actually take the kitten to work and feed her every 4
    hours. A piece of sheepskin, hot water bottle and a Digital Christmas
    Turkey box were her home and furniture for about 3 weeks...then she
    started to climb out of the box, so we figgered we were home free.
    
      We had a little bottle and the "K" liquid replacer that we bought at
    a ped store...once she had the first drop, she'd hang onto that little
    bottle with her front feet and almost pull the nipple off of it...
    We had the unique experience of having a German
    Shepherd/Doberman/Greyhound mixed breed female dog that weighed about
    85 pounds who DEMANDED to be her surrogate/adopted mother. This dog
    was absolutely mesmerized by the kitten when we first found her. She
    came up to me, put her nose verrry gently on my hand where the kitten
    was sitting, and verrry gently licked her...then she became the
    'stimulator' for the kitten, much as the mother cat does. This dog was
    so gentle and so loving that it was astounding. When the kitten opened
    her eyes and became mobile, the dog's stomach became her bed. The dog
    would not MOVE until the kitten woke up...
    
       All in all though...it was a pretty neat experience...and the
    nightime feedings didn't really do THAT much damage....
    
      John Mc
747.8waste matter stimulation.HELIX::SKALTSISDebTue Apr 19 1994 14:347
    Mark,
    
    John brings up a good point. Feeding is important, but a kitten also 
    has to be "stimulated" inorder to pass it's waste material. COuld
    someone that has done this before further elaborate?
    
    Deb
747.9AKOCOA::LAJEUNESSETue Apr 19 1994 14:5914
    I have been stimulating her with a warm wet sponge at every feeding.  Her
    bodily functions are OK.  She pee's everytime and she has only had one
    BM in 3 days.  
    
    Back a few notes someone asked if I was tube feeding or bottle feeding. 
    She is taking a bottle well.  She gets between .25 and .50 of a
    Tablespoon of formula at each feeding.
    
    She really is a pretty kitten.  I can't wait to see her develop.  I
    hope the dogs accept her.  Right now my male would like nothing more
    then to eat her.  The female of course thinks she's a puppy.
    
    Mark
     
747.10JUPITR::KAGNOWed Apr 20 1994 06:555
    Mark, you are doing more than most people would, and I commend you for
    it!  Keep up the great work!!
    
    -Roberta
    
747.11Good Job..AIMHI::BATESWed Apr 20 1994 09:034
    WAY TO GO MARK! Sounds like you're doing a great job.
    
    Donna
    
747.12She needs more food most likely.STOWOA::FALLONMoonsta CatteryWed Apr 20 1994 10:1615
    Mark,
    I would call a local vet and ask what amount to be feeding.  A half or
    quarter of a tablespoon is not enought per feeding.  I can't remember
    exactly ( I really should find my feeding chart for you) but I 
    think it is more like 15+ cc's per feeding.  You still have to check
    the weight on her to be able to determine this.  I will try to look
    when I get home tonite.  The trouble with bottle feeding is that you
    have to depend on the kitten to take in the right amount.  With tube
    feeding, you just measure it into a syringe and gently express it right
    into the stomach.  It takes hardly any time, is easy and you know the
    kitten won't die from starvation.  
    
    Other than that I think you are doing a valiant job!  Didn't mean to
    sound negative.
    Karen
747.13AKOCOA::LAJEUNESSEThu Apr 21 1994 09:2823
    She is now averaging a 1/2 tablespoon to a full tablespoon at each
    feeding.  She seems fat and happy so I don't believe she is not getting
    the correct amount of food.  She is growing and it looks like her eyes
    will open this weekend.  She was VERY tiny when I found her so I'm
    surprised she has made it this far. 
    
    At each feeding I feed her until she won't take anymore.  I'm assuming
    this means she is full.  She has a tight round little belly when I'm
    done.  
    
    I don't like the idea of tube feeding.  I'll end up putting 10 CC into
    her lung or something.  The thought of putting a tube down her throat
    makes ME gag.  Is it easy to do?  Where to I get the tube to do this?
    I have to agree that it would be a lot easier then what I'm doing now!  
    
    How long do I have to stimulate her to go?  When will she start doing
    this on her own?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mark
    
                                                                          
747.14HELIX::SKALTSISDebThu Apr 21 1994 11:188
    >feeding.  She seems fat and happy so I don't believe she is not getting
                         ^^^
    
    Mark, a fat, round little belly in kittens can mean worms, and is the
    usual case of a kitten born in the wild (I went thru this with Panther,
    Eirene and two of their siblings about 8 years ago).
    
    Deb
747.15cross posted from note 749HELIX::SKALTSISDebThu Apr 21 1994 11:2364
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Note 749.0                  How to Tube Feed a Baby.                  No replies
STOWOA::FALLON "Moonsta Cattery"                     58 lines  21-APR-1994 08:43
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    1.	Put kitten on cloth and place feeding tube against the kitten and
    measure from the tip of the nose to the last rib.  This is where the
    stomach is.
    
    2.	Mark the tube with an indelible marker at that spot.
    
    3.	Weigh and identify the kitten and write down its weight.
    
    4. 	Withdraw the correct amount into the syring from the container of
    formula and attach the tube.  The formula should be at room
    temperature.
    
    5. VERY CAREFULLY PRESS THE PLUNGER UNTIL A DROP OF FORMULA SHOWS AT
    THE END OF THE TUBE.
    
    6. Dip the tube into the container of formula.  This will
    act as a lubricant and the taste will also encourage the kitten to
    swallow the tube.  You may also use a little K-Y Jelly.
    
    7.	Working on a surface at a convenient height, take the kitten in
    your left hand approximating a nursing position.
    
    8.	GENTLY press against the chin/lower jaw with the tip of your right
    index finger to gently open the mouth slightly.
    
    9.	Tip the head back and begin to insert the tube.  Thread the tube
    down the throat UNTIL YOU REACH THE SPOT MARKED ON THE TUBE.
    
    10.	Slide your hand a bit until you are holding not only the kittens
    head in your palm but also holding the tube between your thumb and
    forefinger so it does not slide out. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!
    
    11.	With an even pressure, press the plunger all the way (slowly).  DO
    NOT REMOVE THE TUBE at the same time you are pressing the plunger.
    
    12.	To prevent the kitten from wiggling and the tube sliding out, you
    must hold both firmly.  While the plunger is in all the way, carefully
    remove the tube.
    
    13.	The only possible trouble you can have is IF you withdraw the tube
    while pressing the plunger.
    
    Average size of a kitten at birth: 3 - 3 1/2 ounces.
    
    AGE     WEIGHT   # FEEDINGS/DAY	TOT. DLY.REQ.	AMOUNT PER FEEDING
    1WK	    4 OZ.      6 FEEDINGS	32 CC.		5.33 CC EACH
    2WK	    7 OZ.      4 FEEDINGS	56 CC.		14 CC EACH
    3WK	    10 OZ.     3 FEEDINGS	80 CC.		26.67 CC EACH
    4WK	    1LB.       3 FEEDINGS	104 CC.		34.67 CC EACH
    
    
    Note: you may not be able on the first try to get the tube inserted
    into the stomach to the mark on the first try.  Just pull it out and
    try again.  But NEVER push the plunger until the tube is inserted up to
    that mark!
    
    Good luck!
    Karen
747.16No, a round belly in a newborn is good!STOWOA::FALLONMoonsta CatteryThu Apr 21 1994 11:4613
    If this kitten is only a week or two old the worms wouldn't make it
    have a fat belly.  What I look for along with weighging is fat belly.
    If it is round and has no loose skin wrinkles, that means it is getting
    enough to eat.  If the belly doesn't look roly poly, it needs more
    food.  
    
    This is one of the first lessons I ever learned when having babies.
    If the big belly persists, say at around six weeks you can worm with
    STrongid T.  This will kill the round worms but is extremely safe and
    effective.
    Karen,
    ps, how is the little tyke today??? :'}  I hope to someday see a
    picture!
747.17AKOCOA::LAJEUNESSEThu Apr 21 1994 14:4119
    She seems fine.  She is eating and at this point I feel like I have
    things under control.  My neighbor and I have seemed to have worked out
    a feeding schedule.  She lives closer to work then I do so she gets the
    12:00 feeding and the 2:00PM feeding.  I get all others.  It's a big
    help.  
    
    If I start to see her fail I'll go with tube feeding but at this point
    I do not think it is necessary.
    
    Thank you everyone for your suggestions.  I'll keep you posted over the
    next few weeks.  I mine as well say right now that if my dogs can not
    get used to her and I feel like she is at risk of being hurt I would
    like to find a home for her.  She certainly will be an interesting cat
    being hand raised.  
    
    Thank you again.
    
    Mark
     
747.18JUPITR::KAGNOFri Apr 22 1994 07:1210
    Mark, that's great news!  Good for you and your neighbor for helping
    this little kitten.
    
    I have a cat that was bottle fed from birth, and he's a real love; in
    fact, he's practically human sometimes!
    
    Keep up the good work!!
    
    -Roberta
    
747.19AKOCOA::LAJEUNESSEFri Apr 22 1994 14:5915
    Hi,
    
    This is an update.  Her eyes opened yesterday and today 4/21-22.  She 
    is eating more at one session but not eating as often.  She is going
    longer and refusing to eat for up to 5 to 6 hours.  She is gaining
    weight and seems healthy.  She has a good voice when she wants to use
    it.  
    
    My neighbor is on vacation next week so it will mean I don't have to
    drive back and forth over lunch to feed her.  Amen.  
    
    Well that is it for now.
    
    Mark
    
747.20Please continue to keep us posted!STOWOA::FALLONMoonsta CatteryMon Apr 25 1994 07:573
    Mark,
    It sounds like she is doing just great, congratulations!!!
    Karen
747.21AKOCOA::LAJEUNESSEMon Apr 25 1994 10:2431
    Hi,  It's me again.  She seemed to come through the weekend fine.  It's
    funny, I never thought I had a chance of saving her.  Her eyes are now
    fully open and she is starting to check things out.  My dog loves her
    and is constanly trying to take her away from me and cuddle with her.  
    She would be sopping wet if I didn't keep the two of them seperated.  
    I did call the vet on Saturday because she has started to refuse to
    eat.  The vet said that as they get older they do not have to eat as
    often and that seemed normal.  She goes about 7 hours now before she
    wants another shot of formula and she is eating about 2 tablespoons at
    each feeing.  She is continuing to gain weight and is starting to make
    attempts at playing.  She also purs contently once she has been fed.  I
    think she will be a great pet once we get over this bottle feeding.  
    
    Can someone tell me when I can start to reduce the heat for her?  When
    will she be able to regulate her own body temp?  If she opened her eyes
    at 7 days old she is now 10 days old.  Should I start to reduce the
    temp in her box?
    
    How about socializing her?  I figure I will toss her in with the
    puppies when they are born and at least will have something her size to
    relate to.
    
    This is all new to me.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mark
    
    chaning by the day.  
    
    
747.22VLNVAX::PGLADDINGNoters do it with a 8-)Mon Apr 25 1994 10:4015
    I believe kittens can't generate their own body heat until they
    are 2 weeks old, so I would continue with the heating pad at
    least until then.
    
    Actually, it wouldn't hurt to keep the pad going til she's 3-4 weeks
    old, since she's all by herself and can't cuddle with other kittens
    for warmth.  Just keep the pad in a place that if she gets too
    warm, she can easily move off of it.
    
    Another idea for her comfort - get a small stuffed animal so
    that she can cuddle next to it - kind of a surrogate mom for her.
    
    Looks like so far you're doing a terrific job!
    
    Pam
747.23You'll end up with a weird but neat cat!!POWDML::MCDONOUGHMon Apr 25 1994 11:0331
      Re .21
    
       The idea of putting her in with the puppies is an excellent idea, as
    long as the Mom-dog doesn't mind...and you understand what you may be
    doing to her personality......
    
       I have a cat who was caught in the fan-belt of a car when it was a
    tiny kitten. "Smokey" had to have his left front leg amputated due to
    the severity of his injury, and the original owners decided to dump him
    when they found out how much care he'd need as well as the cost. A
    friend of mine happened to be the Vet Tech where he came to, and she
    asked to have him...which they agreed to.
    
       My friend also raises Basset Hounds...and one of the Mom-dogs just
    coincidently had puppies the exact Day Smokey came home from the
    hospital... Smokey the kitten, complete with bandages, moved right into
    the whelping box and became "puppy-cat" #9 of the litter. He literally
    became the assistant parent, helping the mom to raise the pups, and
    occasionally swatting them with his remaining but clawless front paw
    when they got out of line... Unfortunately, because of his constant
    association with these pups, we really think Smokey may be a bit unsure
    of WHAT he actually is!! While he flops around in decadent luxury with
    his two girl-cat companions, and goes through the most confused and
    puzzled scenes when one of them goes into heat (Smoke's finished as far
    as fatherhood goes...and heats really get him puzzled..), he would as
    soon hang out with the dogs as with the other cats. Just this morning 3
    of my Beagles were flopped in a heap ZZZZ'ing away,and right in the
    center of the pile was Smokey...upside down with his feet in the air...
    He plays with the dogs too, and they all act pretty gentle with him..
    
       JM 
747.24An UpdateAKOCOA::LAJEUNESSEFri May 06 1994 16:2133
    Hi,
    
    This is and update.  It's been 3 weeks and I now have a kitten that is
    starting to act like a kitten.  She really is beautiful and she getting
    a personality now.  
    
    She is starting to lap so I'm going to try to start to wean her this
    weekend.  
    
    My female dog is due to whelp next weekend (the 15th) and I'm hoping
    that the kitten doesn't cause any problems with that.  She (the dog) is
    so attached to the kitten that I'm afraid she might reject her puppies
    and just want the kitten.  My male dog is indifferent to the entire
    situation.  It's like he doesn't even notice the kitten at all.  He was
    the one that wanted to eat her the first day he saw her.  He just
    assumes that anything that is small and making a squeeky noise is a
    squeeky toy that should be chewed up immeadiatly.  
    
    It's funny the female protects her.  She will litterally bite at my
    male  to keep him away.  This is exactly the way she acts when she has
    puppies. 
    
    Well I guess that is all for now.  I would like to know if there is
    anyone in the market for a kitten that probably won't know that it is a
    cat?  I hope to keep her but it really does depend on how my dogs end
    up treating her.  I know that I thought I would never be able to have a
    cat at my house and I wonder how they are going to react when she
    really starts running around and toying with them. 
    
    Thank you everyone for your advice and suggestions.
    
    Mark
    
747.25JUPITR::KAGNOMon May 09 1994 07:009
    Mark,
    
    Your dog sounds like she's displaying some nesting instincts with the
    kitten.  I don't think you'll have any problems with her rejecting the
    puppies.  I'm really glad to hear the kitten (what, no name yet?!) is
    thriving!
    
    -Roberta
    
747.26Cute puppies, raised with cat....:'}STOWOA::FALLONMoonsta CatteryMon May 09 1994 09:258
    Mark,
    If the dogs haven't hurt the kitten yet, you proabably will never
    have a problem.  It might be a better idea for you to keep her!
    That way you will have well adjusted puppies to place. Hey,
    you can say that the puppies have grown up with cats!  (you sometimes
    see ads for kitties saying "raised with dogs and children"  like that
    is supposed to mean a lot!)
    Karen
747.27One last updateUSCTR1::LAJEUNESSEThu May 19 1994 08:3430
    Hi,
    
    This is just another update.  This kitten is great!  I have never had
    one before.  Her name is Olive and she is a riot.  The dogs love her
    and are really patient with her which amazes me.  She is just now
    starting to storm around the house.  This morning she ran right into a
    door jam when she was on one of her spaz sprints.  
    
    I think she is about 6 weeks old.  She is off formula (has been for a
    week) and is eating kitten canned food.  She is a pig.  
    
    How long do I need to feed her kitten food?  A year? 
    
    I think she is going to remain an indoor cat because there are so many
    strays and she doesn't have a clue that a dog is a bad thing.  She
    loves my dogs, bats them and crawls on them and cuddles up to sleep
    with them.  I'm amazed at this as they think that all cats are
    something to eat.  
    
    I guess I would do it again if I had to.  The first couple of weeks are
    tough but after that it's all down hill.  I called the vet and they
    said they wanted to see her at eight weeks old.  So I'm assuming she
    needs her first shot then.  What about testing her for things?  I'm
    going to have them check for worms but other then that should I worry
    about feline Luke or anything like that?
    
    Thanks to everyone for the moral support!
    
    Mark
    
747.28VLNVAX::PGLADDINGNoters do it with a 8-)Thu May 19 1994 09:5610
    Well, seeing as you found her in the wild, I would definitely test
    for Feline Leukemia - if the mother had it, then the kitten most likely
    will have it too.  Hoping for only the best though!!  I'm not sure how
    old they have to be to be tested - 8 weeks may be too young for
    anything to show up - ask your vet.  Also have them test for Feline
    Aids.  Both Leukemia and Aids are contagious to other cats (not dogs,
    so you don't have to worry about that!)
    
    good luck,
    Pam
747.29Are ya gonna keep her? ;'}STOWOA::FALLONMoonsta CatteryThu May 19 1994 10:0612
    Mark,
    She sounds absolutely wonderful!! Most kittens are I must confess.
    It seems that the "tone" of your note has turned into one of much more
    excitement in a happier way!
    
    See what the vet says, but you need only feed kitten food for the first
    six to eight months.  You don't want her to get too fat!
    
    BTW, did your dog have her puppies??? How are they all doing and has 
    the kitty found them yet?
    regards,
    Karen
747.30USCTR1::LAJEUNESSEThu May 19 1994 13:5014
    My dog had puppies on Tuesday.  She has 3, one male and two females. 
    The kitten hasn't found them yet.  I'm keeping them separated for now. 
    When the puppies are 4 weeks old or so then I will introduce them.  I'm
    sure it will be a free for all once they get their coordination.  
    
    Bummer about feline luke and aids.  I figured she would have died right
    off if she had anything like that.  
    
    The thought of going through all of this and then having to deal with
    that would be a real bummer.
    
    Mark
    
     
747.31VLNVAX::PGLADDINGNoters do it with a 8-)Thu May 19 1994 13:5714
    Don't be bummed out until you get the results back.  Chances are that
    she's OK.  Even if she tests positive, get her tested again in 
    6 months or so - sometimes you can get a false positive.  The main
    thing is to know up front what you're dealing with and for her not
    to roam free outside if she is positive, which could expose her to 
    other cats and potentially give them the disease.  Some cats are
    just carriers and never get sick.
    
    But enough bad news - keep your chin up - I'm sure she'll test out
    just fine.
    
    So, can we assume that you're officially keeping her?? :-)
    
    Pam
747.32USCTR1::LAJEUNESSEMon May 23 1994 15:2812
    She is officially mine.  After all this I wouldn't let her go.  She is
    great but with all of this testing stuff I don't want to get to
    attached but, it's too late.  She is a riot.  The dogs don't know what
    to make her her.  She is the crab thing that is a furry frenzy.  
    
    Everyone is getting along just fine.  That was my big concern.  
    
    
    Thanks everyone.
    
    Mark
    
747.33yUSCTR1::LAJEUNESSEThu Mar 30 1995 13:1148
    Hi,
    
    I just talked to someone that reads this file often and she asked me
    about Olive.  I thought I should update this and let everyone know how
    she is doing.
    
    (I just read through this string of notes and I honestly should learn
    how to spell.)
    
    It's been about a year since I found her.  I think I found her on the 
    16th of April.
    
    She is as rough with the dogs as they are with her.  The only problem
    we had is that at some point her tail was broken from one of the dogs
    being too rough.  Since that time she has discovered her claws and if
    things get too rough she uses them.  This seems to have put some
    balance back into the rough housing.
    
    She is a strange bird.  She is VERY friendly and attached to me.  She
    has to see/meet someone a number of times and spend a significant
    amount of time with them before she will allow them to pet her.  Once
    she knows you she is VERY friendly.  She won't hide with new people in
    the house but she will be stand offish and not let stangers touch her.   
    
    For the most part she thinks she is a dog.  She has had no exposure to 
    cats and really doesn't know what to make of the local cats that come 
    into the yard.  
    
    One of her favorite place to hang out is on the roof of the
    house.  She is also loves to climb trees.  She will also come from
    ANYWHERE in the house to watch the toilet flush.  I don't know what the
    fascination is but when you flush she comes running.
    
    My vet says he is surprised she has done as well as she has.  He
    said having to raise her from such a young age she would be more apt to
    be sickly because she didn't have much of a chance to nurse from her
    mom and get the natural immunities from her.
    
    She is a piece of work.  She was well worth the time and effort it took
    to pull her through.
    
    Thank you everyone for the suggestions and support in the early days
    with her.
    
    Mark
      
    
       
747.34TRACTR::JENNISONThe Angel Opens Her EyesThu Mar 30 1995 13:423
    What a wonderful story! Thats great !
    
    SueJ
747.35BIGQ::SILVASquirrels R MeThu Mar 30 1995 13:583

	Mark, our 2 cats come running when the toilet is flushed too!
747.36Why does it fascinate them so much?!SHRCTR::SCHILTONWhen they said sit down,I stood upThu Mar 30 1995 14:004
    One of my two, is fascinated with the toilet flushing as well!!
    And with the water coming out of the shower!!
    
    Sue
747.37DPDMAI::HUDDLESTONIf it is to be, it&#039;s up to meFri Mar 31 1995 08:386
    Well, now I know that Angel is not nuts.  He loves to watch the toilet
    flush and (wow!) the water come up to fill it.  The things that amuse
    them..
    
    
    dlh
747.38Look who's boss now!PCBUOA::FALLONFri Mar 31 1995 11:134
    Mark,
    I remember when you got the little imp!  Glad things have worked
    out so well for.  You weren't so sure it would work with the dogs!
    Karen