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Title:Meower Power - Where Differing Opinions are Respected
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Moderator:JULIET::CORDES_JA
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1079
Total number of notes:28858

680.0. "Neighbors and dogs" by JULIET::LANE_BE () Mon Dec 13 1993 10:58

    I have been really bothered the past couple days by a situation in my 
    neighborhood.  This is a long story so please bear with me...
    
    A couple months ago, the man who owns the property next to ours came 
    for a visit (he works for the government and is residing in Costa 
    Rica).  We live in the country and everyone has a few acres.  There are 
    two structures on his property, a small adobe house and what I call a 
    shack.  He told the woman who has been renting the adobe for 10+ years 
    that he wanted to fix the shack up so when he moves back to the States, 
    he could use it as a guest house.  He brought several young guys over 
    and they began to clean the place up.  He never once spoke to us or 
    even acknowledged us when we drove by.   This seems strange because he 
    always was friendly before.  When he went back to Costa Rica, one of 
    the guys (introduced only as Adam), continued to work on the shack 
    during the day.
    
    The woman living in the adobe, is in her late sixties and raises 
    Whippets (for show and breeding).  She was always very good to her dogs 
    (12 in total), and they were very very well behaved, in fact for a long 
    time we had no idea she had more than 3 dogs...  She was such a good 
    neighbor and always took care of our kitties if we were gone, fed the 
    birds and strays, and in fact adopted a wild peacock (Bob). Or did he 
    adopt her?
    
    Well she became concerned when Adam started bringing a lot of people 
    and dogs around.  She basically felt the owner should have had more 
    concern for her, and told her what was really going on.  She always 
    took care of things for him.  Adam was doing more than cleanup up.  
    This was major construction work (electrical, plumbing) and not legal.
    Her water pressure went down and her lights would dim ... seems he 
    tapped everything off her house.   Well a renter with no lease can't 
    complain much.  Obviously what they were doing could also effect our 
    safety and the quality of our water system (well shared by three 
    properties).  She finally called the county and they red-tagged the 
    construction.  The owner got ticked off and evicted her!   I felt so 
    bad.  Where does an elderly woman with all those dogs go? In fact the 
    day she moved out, someone (yeh right) sent her a dead rat in the 
    mail... OH great - sicko's!
    
    That was a couple weeks ago.  Since then Adam seems to have moved into 
    the adobe.  He has one female rotweiler (sp?) about 8 years old and a 
    mixed breed female pup - about 6 mos. old.    The dogs tend to run off 
    and head to our house, but so far he has always called them back with 
    in a couple minutes.   Needless to say my 4 cats had almost become 
    full-time indoor only.  I have to be really careful with my 4 mo old 
    kitten, cause she has no fear and tends to dart out when the door 
    opens.  Even if the others go out, they go out the back door and look 
    around real carefully before the first paw goes out.  The end up on the 
    upper balcony or on the roof.  
    
    Well, the last time either my husband or I saw Adam was Friday morning,
    however the dogs are still there and out on the loose. He usually took 
    them or left them in the house, but not this time.  Well by Saturday 
    both dogs had perched themselves on our front porch.  They won't leave!
    The seem friendly and have made no hostile moves at all, but still they 
    are dogs that don't know me and that I don't trust.
    
    We walked down the hill in front of the adobe and put out some water 
    and later in the day, I felt I should at least give the puppy some 
    scraps.   They still came back.  Poor things!  Sunday and still no 
    Adam!  I was really getting concerned because we have had some very 
    cold nights!  By now my cats are terrorized and go on alert anytime 
    there hear anything outside. Now 100% indoors.   I walked over to the 
    house and looked everywhere and saw no signs that he even left food out 
    for them.  No bowls or anything.  Our former neighbor had a dog run in 
    back, but it has been torn down.   There is no fence so I can't take 
    them home and have them stay there.  Neither dog even has a collar.  
    Great, have they even had shots?!!!   Now what!  I did give them both 
    more food and water yesterday, but again they showed up to sleep on our 
    porch.  I guess it was warm up against the house.  Each one was 
    sprawled out in front of a door. About midnight I heard a commotion and 
    looked out and here was a huge male dog (a great Dane I think).  Now do 
    I worry about the puppy - she certainly hasn't been spade.   Well we 
    ran him off but the others stayed and even barked a couple times during 
    the night. 
    
    This morning they were chasing the peacock around, poor bird.  He 
    seemed to be holding his own by honking really loud and hoping up in a 
    tree.  I hope they don't have him in mind for lunch.
    
    Now what do I do?  I feel I really must give them more food if he isn't 
    home by tonight, but how long does this go on?  Where is this guy? is 
    he dead, in jail, on a binge or did he just abandon his dogs?  We don't 
    think he works anywhere so we can't find him.  We don't even know his 
    last name.  Do we call Costa Rica.  Do we call the SPCA?   Even if he 
    comes back today, I'm going to have a hard time not reading him the 
    riot act!  I guess the war of the neighbors has begun!  Hide the cats, 
    lock the doors! 
    
    Becky
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680.1NETWKS::GASKELLMon Dec 13 1993 11:1316
    I don't think you said where you live.  Does your town have any animal laws.
    My town doesn't have a leash law but dog owners have to be responsible
    for their pets.  
    
    If the young man leaves and does not provide supervision for his
    animals and the dogs are running lose over other people's yards then 
    in most towns an animal officer can pick them up and inpound them as 
    strays.
    
    I live in Massachusetts, USA.  In this state, towns are being extra
    careful of stray animals as we have an outbreak of Rabies.  Your stray
    dogs could pose a similar health hazard.  
    
    I hope you are able to resolve this without any harm to you or your cats.  
    We lost three of our cats before we realized we had a problem.
                                                   
680.2Call the SPCA/Dog OfficerLJSRV2::BLUNDELLMon Dec 13 1993 11:1413
    
    My personal advice would be to call the local animal officer and/or
    the SPCA.  Don't feel like you're doing a bad thing - the animals
    are obviously not being well cared for (except for your valiant
    efforts :-) and would be far better served by you're getting them 
    help.  I don't know what kind of area you live in but if they're
    running free, it only takes one car and there'll be no more debate. 
    It's horrible that any human being can leave an animal uncared for
    like that - maybe it was unintentional (?) - I feel so bad for the 
    poor peacock!
    
    Adrienne
    
680.3I agree with .2TIMBER::AIKEYMon Dec 13 1993 11:2511
    
    I agree with .2.  If it wasn't for you providing them with food the
    poor things would be starving.  I would call both the dog offiicer and
    the SPCA.  Something should be done to people that treat animals like
    that.....
    
    
    Best of luck!!!!!11
    
    *joyce
    
680.4MVDS02::BELFORTIPFYOWSMon Dec 13 1993 11:3412
    I strongly urge you to call the SPCA.  All you need is for someone to
    get hurt on your property, by these dogs, whether they are yours or
    not... you have been caring for them (otherwise they would starve, or
    worse.. start killing the littler animals in the neighborhood, for
    food), so they are going to stick around your house.  They would be
    much better off in the pound where it is warm and they don't have to
    worry about where their next meal is coming from (probably you) or if
    it will be coming at all!  Most areas have laws about abandoning
    animals, so the authorities "should" go after this guy!  You will be
    doing everyone a favor, the dogs, your cats and yourself!

    M-L
680.5What about Bob? (funny movie)WECARE::FALLONMon Dec 13 1993 13:132
    What's gonna happen to the peacock?  Can you keep Bob?
    Karen
680.6AYRPLN::VENTURADeck the halls ... DON'T SAY IT!!Mon Dec 13 1993 13:476
    You said you haven't seen the man since friday.  Is his vehicle still
    at the house?  Maybe go and check at the house to see if he's ok (or
    have someone he knows check for you).  There may be something wrong.
    
    Holly
    
680.7still no signJULIET::LANE_BEMon Dec 13 1993 15:3143
    
    No his truck hasn't been around either - that's usually the only way to
    know if he's home unless he is outside.  He doesn't have a phone yet.
    I walked around and around, knocked on the door and peeked in the windows
    before I made my first trek over with the food.  Adam is definately not 
    home.  Something must have happended to this man.  This is just to
    strange.
    
    My husband went home for lunch and still no sign of Adam.  He is
    calling a real estate agent who is a good friend of the man who 
    owns the house, trying to find out if there is anyone we can
    contact.  We have decided if that gets us no where, we will call
    the Humane Society in a town near us in the morning.  The local 
    sheriff gave us a number.  We will also call the owner of the house
    in Costa Rica.
    
    We live in a really rural area and have no city services or local 
    animal laws per se.  At least the only law in regards to animals 
    is a limit on the number of roosters you can have per acre.   
    (thank goodness - another story in that one!!)
    
    My husband did see something lying in the road. He thought is was
    something dead, but it turned out to be a stuffed toy rabbit that
    apparently belongs to the puppy - whew!!
    
    Bob is in good shape.  He has chosen our hill as his territory and 
    seems to have no plans on leaving.  He gets food and water every day, 
    along with the other birds in the area (lots of quail, humming birds etc.)
    He gets along great with our cats.  They sit and sun together.  He is
    really a beautiful animal (bright blue and green).  His favorite foods
    are clover sprouts, pecans and grapes... but that's for the bird note
    I guess.   My husband said he has been sitting on our back step most of
    the day - out of sight of any dogs.  He roosts way up in the trees at
    night so I know he's safe then.  He's our warning bell.  Once screamed
    for an hour.  We checked, but didn't see a thing.  The next morning, we 
    found some evidence some deer had come through the property and eaten 
    all my husband's antique roses.  Never doubt him again!
       
    Well, I will be going home in an hour to check on the menagerie.  
    Thanks all for listening - or should I say reading?!  
    
    Becky
    
680.8ELWOOD::FEASEAndrea Midtmoen FeaseTue Dec 14 1993 04:4026
    Hi Becky,
    
         I agree with everyone here, the SPCA or Humane Society is probably
    your best route.  Perhaps this person had to leave the area in a hurry
    ...
    
         Anyway, as for your peacock, may I suggest getting some Blue Seal
    Game Bird Pellets for him?  That's what we feed our turkeys and
    pheasants and peacocks, along with what they forage.  Good, balanced
    nutrition.  Our turkeys also eat (white) bread; Bob probably will too.
    They're pretty good at defending themselves unless they are startled,
    which isn't easy to do as you know - they're excellent "watch-birds".
    
         Can you touch Bob?  Pet him?  I ask because the only real time
    they can get in trouble is if it ices - the tail can become covered
    with ice and freeze, and then they can't fly too well, if at all - too
    heavy.  Perhaps if you had a small shed or coop that you could lure him
    into during the icy weather, or some big trees he can hide under during
    this time.
    
         But I'm getting off the track ;^) ...
    
    					- Andrea & her cats, rabbits,
    					  chickens and assorted "game" birds
    
    					- Andrea
680.9JULIET::LANE_BETue Dec 14 1993 10:4240
    Well, here's the latest.  About 9:00 last night Adam came home.  It was 
    raining so the puppy was sitting under the covered area on our porch.  
    We went and stood outside when we heard Adam whistling for the dogs.
    The pup sure didn't go running home to master... He had to come over 
    and talk to us.
    
    He said he got a construction job in San Francisco (about 100 miles 
    from here) and had been staying up there for the past few days.  He said 
    the son of one of his friends was supposed to be coming over to feed 
    the dogs.  Well, he claims the kid let the dogs out on Friday and then 
    could not get them back in the house.  Well, what could I say.
    Someone is lying, cause there sure wasn't anyone coming over on 
    Saturday, Sunday or Monday to feed the dogs.  I also don't believe that 
    these dogs would not go in the house.  Gee if I open the door they come 
    right in here in a flash!  
    
    We told him we had been feeding the dogs and they were a couple hours 
    short of going to the Humane Society.  He thanked us but that was about 
    it.  He didn't seem to concerned or even offer to pay for the food.  I 
    had to go in the house and slam the door this ticked me off so much.  I 
    just don't buy it.  I wish he had stayed gone just for one more night 
    and then dogs would be gone.  My husband spoke to him some more but I
    don't know what he said.  I did notice they are locked in the house 
    this morning, so maybe he got part of our message.  Something tells 
    me there will be future opportunities and future problems.  It's not 
    a beautiful day in the neighborhood!!!   
    
    
    Becky
    
    P.S. Andrea - yes Bob also eats turkey scratch I get at the feed store.  
    He also loves bread of any kind.  He will take it from my hand, but he 
    won't let me touch him - yet :^).  We do have a couple sheds but I
    don't think he will go in.  If it rains or is cold he sits under our 
    deck.  Since we live in California, we don't really have icy weather so 
    I guess he'll be OK.
    
    
    
680.10Please let the authorities knowBRAT::MACDONALD_MToirneac SpeirTue Dec 14 1993 11:0515
    
    Becky, 
      I don't envy your situation but you might want to consider alerting
    the authorities as to what has happened.  Chances are Adam knows you
    were upset about his leaving the dogs out.  He may decide to leave them
    locked in the house while he is away, alot worse as they will have no
    food or water and will know doubt make a mess of the house, making
    matters worse.  As you can see it can become a viscious circle and I'm
    sorry I can't  offer any help.  Difficult as it may be, the SPCA and
    the local shelters are best able to deal with these types of problems.
    
    Best of luck to you and please keep us informed.
    
    MaryAnne
    
680.11Maybe someone did come over!EARRTH::DREYERJingle my bells!Tue Dec 14 1993 11:1626
Becky,

It also may be true that the kid who was coming over to feed the dogs couldn't
get them back in the house.  Are you sure they weren't fed?  Maybe he came at
an odd time of night and all the food was gone when you went looking.  It would
have been nice if Adam had let you know ahead of time.

When I went to Florida for two weeks, a friend of mine was coming over to feed
my cats.  When I got home, the cats were fine, and alot of food was gone.  My
neighbor came over and told me no one *ever* came over to feed them, that she 
was on her front porch the whole time I was gone. (Doesn't she ever sleep, cook,
bathe, etc?)!!  She told me Buki was looking outside all day long (I think it
was my kitty pillow outline she saw that never moved), and that she felt so
sorry for them that she almost broke into the house to feed them.  I thanked
her for her concern, and next time I went away had her take care of them!

My mom feed the cat from across the street, and when those neighbors went away,
the woman came over and told mom they were leaving for a week and that mom may
have to put out more food than usual.  Mom has been feeding their cat for
about 5 years now, and they have never offered to give her any cat food.  
Unbelievable, the nerve of some people!

I hope the situation that happened there is not as it appears!!

Good luck,
Laura
680.12ELWOOD::FEASEAndrea Midtmoen FeaseTue Dec 14 1993 12:0211
         Weirdness around Adam.  I don't know if I believe him or not,
    though it could be.  But gosh you'd think he's say something, as you're
    neighbors, at least you'd be keeping an eye on the place while he was
    gone. Sheesh!
    
         I guess my Massachusetts-ism is showing; we had a little ice last
    night, and our peacocks are inside.  I was kind of wondering how a
    "wild" peacock could survive the winter ... guess if it's a California
    winter it's not so bad ;^) !
    
    					- Andrea
680.13NETWKS::GASKELLWed Dec 15 1993 05:4316
    Becky,
    
    Adam's story doesn't sound to true to me either.  Keep an eye on the
    dogs and if you think they are not being fed (for at least two
    consective days) let the SPCA know about it.  It could be that there is
    more business going on in that house than renovations.  
    
    Here in Massachusetts one of our neighbors was distributing drugs to
    drug dealers.  These people often use dogs to keep people away from the
    property while they are away, and they are not dog lovers either.  They
    abandon their dogs at a drop of a hat, they are just "business equipment"
    to them.  
    
    Anyway, thank goodness those dogs have you to look out for them.  I
    hope the problem resolves its self soon, for your sake.  Best of luck.
    
680.14JULIET::LANE_BEWed Dec 15 1993 11:4241
    Well as much as I want to believe someone was coming over, I just 
    can't. Our houses are at the top of a hill and the only way to get to 
    them is up a small road.  The road passes another neighbor's house at 
    the bottom of the hill.  They also have 2 dogs, which go absolutely 
    nuts barking and jumping around when anyone - including their owners, 
    come up the road.  We call them psycho dogs!  They are basically our 
    door bell.  If you hear them bark, someone or something is coming. 
    
    I was only out of the house for about 30 minutes the whole weekend, so 
    unless this kid showed up just then, or snuck in in the middle of the 
    night, without any dogs hearing them, he couldn't have been there.  
    Besides if he was, I would have seen some sign when I was walking 
    around.  Like even a bowl for water!  I am guessing Adam may have left 
    them out with food the first day, assuming they would not eat it all at 
    once.  Ha- fool - they're dogs!  We did call the SPCA but they can't 
    really do anything at this point.  At least if anything else happens 
    they already have heard of this guy.
     
    Oh well, all has been quiet, and Adam has been home.  I haven't seen 
    either dogs, but I heard him talking to them last night and I did see  
    small, puppy size dogs prints on the porch this morning.  We will keep 
    a real close watch on the situation.  My cats are not very happy about 
    not getting to go outside anymore.  I got a second cat box and they 
    give me this look like "what! a box, I haven't done this in years".   
    My two older ones are out of practice.  They are used to really digging 
    in dirt and so now the litter just flies everywhere!  :^)  Wow, Mom
    I didn't mean to fling that hard!
    
    I also think they must be getting bored.  Last night I took the kitten, 
    Sophie, and my youngest boy Stingo in the bedroom with me.  I had been 
    wrapping Christmas packages and felt it was not safe to leave the young 
    kids lose with all that shiny paper.  Well this morning I found my 
    oldest cat sitting in the middle of the packages, chewing a bow.  About
    half of the bows from the packages were all around the room.  WHO ME?!
    She has really been acting like a kitten the past few days.  Or else 
    she has a secret stash of catnip somewhere!
    
    Becky