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594.1 | | LMOPST::BEASTY::WIKOFF_T | It is the Adventurers who accomplish great things. | Thu Aug 26 1993 10:07 | 11 |
| This is based on absolutely no knowledge on my part, so please check with
the vet, but would it make sense to test for lead poisoning?
It only came to mind because I took my daughter for her 9 month checkup
today and the pediatricians do a lead (and iron) blood test at one year
in baby's. They can pick it up from house dust if there's old paint in
the house. But I've never heard of cat's being checked for it.
Worry, pout!!
Tanya
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594.2 | Not lead poisoning either | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Aug 26 1993 10:17 | 9 |
| Good point - so good that I just called Dr. Moss. Unfortunately - that
isn't the cause either. Apparantly with lead poisoning in animals
(which is in-frequent she said) there would be vomiting and/or
seizures.
Thanks for the idea though ... I'm wracking my brain (as are they) in
trying to come up with something.
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594.3 | | JUPITR::KAGNO | Kitties with an Attitude | Thu Aug 26 1993 11:21 | 14 |
| Have you had any sophisticated diagnostic tests performed, such as xray
or ultrasound (Ultrasound would show more than an xray.)? That might
help diagnose the problem, much more so than bloodwork.
An ultrasound for a cat is roughly $100, but it is worth it for piece
of mind.
Hope Abagail is feeling better soon. You might want to take a look at
the book, "Cornell Book of Cats", or something near that title. Search
for fevers and I'll bet you'll get a good overview of what illness or
disease can cause persistant fevers in cats.
-Roberta
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594.4 | | JUPITR::KAGNO | Kitties with an Attitude | Thu Aug 26 1993 11:25 | 8 |
| Whoops, I do see that you had an xray done... maybe it is time for an
ultrasound? Sometimes underlying diseases of the vital organs cause
infections -- either viral or bacterial -- that are "opportune", and
secondary to what is really ailing the animal. The vet treats the
symptoms unaware of the underlying cause, so I would suggest you
continue with the process of elimination route and administer more
tests.
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594.5 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Aug 26 1993 11:27 | 13 |
| An ultrasound makes sense and I'll try to get a copy of the book you
suggested.
Just a thought (no sarcasm intended) don't the veterinarian's do those
things (consult and/or get out one of their text books)...or am I too
trusting? I would hope they would have searched out all possibilities -
or do I have to be the one to make the suggestions?
I am not upset with them - they have been wonderful to all three cats
over the years ... but I am VERY frustrated.
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594.6 | | JUPITR::KAGNO | Kitties with an Attitude | Thu Aug 26 1993 11:38 | 16 |
| Marilyn,
Some vets might go the extra mile and pour over textbooks/literature,
but many have so many animals to treat that it is difficult to become
too involved in any one case. I have learned over the years of having
and losing pets is to arm myself with knowledge both by reading and
asking questions. My vet and I often disagree on treatments, and I
don't hesitate to make suggestions if I feel there is something she is
overlooking. Sometimes we butt heads... and sometimes I even offend
her... but the way I see it is that it's my cat, and I'm paying her
salary... not to mention the fact that I like to know everything
possible was done in the event of a worst-case scenario.
Anyway, I think the Cornell book will help you. There is lots of good
info in there to learn about.
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594.7 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Aug 26 1993 12:16 | 39 |
| This is getting to be an all but consuming issue and I think I am
driving all the doctors crazy. Ha!
I called the vet (again) and just had a lengthy discussion with Dr.
Mulcahy ... bless her heart. She said all three of them (vets) have
been batting their heads trying to come up with all kinds of
possibilities for Abigial's illness.
I mentioned an ultrasound but she said the pain is external - not
internal ... in other words ... muscular and in and around the fatty
tissue - it doesn't involve liver, kidney's, heart, bones, blood, etc.
Otis - my other cat - had been groomed there about a month ago. In the
process he caught a cold and when I had to bring him back there to be
checked out - I was told the other two (Tiffany and Abigail) would also
get the cold and sure as rain they did.
In our discussion I mentioned the fact that she looked so "old" ... and
had she (Dr. Mulcahy) consider the possibilitiy of a neuro-muscular
disease. She said that she must have heard my "telepathy" because
Abigail's upper respiratory problem was just two weeks prior to Abigail
getting so sick.
If it is (i.e., lupus or the equivalent of our muscular dystrophy) it
would never be cured but treated with anti-inflammatory drugs and she
could live a fairly normal life.
She was sympathetic to the fact that I am near tears all the time and
that the "not knowing" is killing me. I can handle hearing ANY kind of
news and/or diagnosis - but the not knowing is upsetting to all.
On a lighter note - Abigail - who has ALWAYS preferred people food to cat
food - declined the "good for you" vet food and had some bologna and
ham ... atleast she is getting food in her stomach.
Can't wait to see her tonight after work.
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594.8 | | JUPITR::KAGNO | Kitties with an Attitude | Thu Aug 26 1993 12:28 | 9 |
| That does sound plausible Marilyn. There is no reason not to believe
that animals can contract the same neuro-muscular diseases that people
do.
Dr. Mulcahey has an excellent reputation, so I would be inclined to
believe and go along with anything she suggested.
Hope Abigail is well soon!
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594.9 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Aug 26 1993 12:36 | 17 |
| I checked this notesfile to find a subject on lupus and/or
neuro-muscular diseases in cats and could find none.
Has anyone had experience with their pet and this disease(s) and what I
could expect if it turns out that is what it is?
I really respect and admire Dr(s) Moss and Butler but the very first
time I brought Otis in I saw Dr. Mulcahy and she and I seem to
communicate the best. My experience with the adopted cat (Sam) and
having to give him up because of his extremely aggressive behavior was
so traumatic for me that both she and I cried together in the examining
room. Her sensitivity and compassion - with regards to the commitment,
love and bonding us human's have with out pets (I treat them like my
babies) has always been so comforting for me.
Sorry for going on - but I am at my wits end.
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594.10 | parasites? | REFDV1::LUST | Hugs - food for the soul | Thu Aug 26 1993 12:49 | 5 |
| Has she been checked for parasites? The sound of the muscular pain
brought to mind the one that can be gotten from pork (which of course
escapes my mind at the moment). It is rare, but does occur.
Linda
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594.11 | Fever, Pain, Swellin, Insomnia, Intestinal Disorder | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | len, Engineering Technical Office | Thu Aug 26 1993 13:54 | 8 |
|
re .10 - trichinosis. Extremely painful.
Give Abigail a hug and a kiss and a scratch behind the ears from all
of us.
len and Merlin and Rocky and Blueberry and Robin.
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594.12 | ...update! | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Mon Aug 30 1993 06:23 | 20 |
| Abigail is still hanging in there.
Friday was not a good day for her and I seriously thought that we would
have to put her down. After consulting with the Dr's ... the consensus
was to keep testing and by process of elimination, perhaps they could
come up with a diagnosis.
Dr. Butler called yesterday and said they noticed her drinking
excessive amounts of water and that they would be doing a series of
blood tests today (CBC) to check for diabetes and/or an underactive
thyroid condition.
She looks terrible but I have to assume that it is due in part to lack
of exercise, being sick and not eating very well. I hand fed her some
chicken Friday, which she ate, but her appetite is nothing as it once
was.
Here's hoping they find something soon .. so that they can begin
treatment and we can bring her home.
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594.13 | | MAYES::MERRITT | Kitty City | Mon Aug 30 1993 07:13 | 13 |
| My thoughts are with you and Abigail..... When Mr. Meow became
ill and we brought him to the vets there first guess was "best
news would be thyroid problems, 2nd best news would be diabetes,
and third would be kidney disease. The first two are treatable
disease...and there is nothing they can treat kidney problems with
other then a low protein diet.
Let's all pray that Abigails problem is something very treatable!!
If it is thyroid...this can be treated with daily pills!! My
sisters cat has hypothyroid and with 1/2 pill a day...she is doing
GREAT!!
Sandy
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594.14 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Mon Aug 30 1993 07:28 | 29 |
| Thanks Sandy.
My concern (and I was quite blunt with Dr. Butler with some of my
questions) is that I worry she is going to be used as a "guinea
pig" ... as she is only a year old and I am sure has become a
challenge and the situation has been described as unique.
I don't want to assume anything - every day there is another
possible diagnosis. I am wondering if she IS diabetic it is more
because of the underlying illness ... rather than the real problem.
I remember being told that if she goes without food for any great
length of time, kidneys and/or liver will begin to fail ... which is
what seems to be happening.
The one good thing I do feel good about is in talking this over with
my family - we are all in agreement that when/if the time comes to
make a decision to put her down ... nobody will be "mad" at any one
else. Also, as strong as I have always believed myself to be I know
that I could not be there to hold her during the process. The guilt
(Friday) was devastating --- I guess I am not as strong as I thought.
My daughter, however, said she would be with her, and that support
made me feel much better.
Although I realize that owning (or being owned BY) a pet is an
emotional risk - I was not prepared for this. But then again, perhaps
we never are.
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594.15 | Looks like Lupus | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Mon Aug 30 1993 08:21 | 13 |
| ...another update.
Dr. Moss called and said it is NOT diabetes or thyroid. She is still
in a bit of pain, eating some but basically a happy cat. She feels
it is an auto-immune disease ... specifically Lupus. She had given
her some antibiotics this morning and steroids.
Does anyone have any information on Lupus - any experience with their
own cat having the disease or (more specifically) any information on
steroids and their effects?
Thanks
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594.16 | I'll see if I have info. | WEORG::LADEROUTE | | Mon Aug 30 1993 12:12 | 17 |
| I don't have any information specifically about Lupus in cats, but I
have a friend that has it. I'll hunt around to see if I still have any
literature on it. It sounds like your vet is on the right track for
treatment. Lupus (in people) is usually treated with predisone, a
steroid, among other drugs.
Hopefully, your vet will be able to stabilize her. That's done by
figuring out which organs the Lupus is attacking. Once she figures that
out, she should be able to prescribe the appropriate medication. If all
goes well with that, your kitty should be able to live a pretty normal
life. Please remember my comments are based on the people version. I
don't know if this information applies to cats.
Good luck!
Deb
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
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594.17 | Tufts | ISLNDS::USHER | | Mon Aug 30 1993 15:05 | 4 |
| I had a unidentifyable problem with my cat Smurf many years ago and
brought him to Tufts in Grafton (at the suggestion of my vet who was
at a loss). They were wonderful. I strongly suggest you bring your cat
to Tufts.
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594.18 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Tue Aug 31 1993 08:57 | 27 |
| Here is the latest update:
Dr. Moss just called and said the results from the blood work showed no
signs of any blood disorder. The protein level was a "bit" low ... but
seeing as she hasn't been eating that well - she feels that's the
reason why. Abigail's temperature is back to normal and she is eating
on her own!!
They started her on Prednisone yesterday and she will continue on this
for at least 6 months. She did mention, however, that using steriods
does tend to cut their lives short(er) but feels she can live until the
age of 10 or 11.
The diagnosis is not final - either an inflammatory diesease and/or an
auto-immune disease ... we may never know.
Dr. Moss sais that when she gets home she can do ANYTHING she wants and
eat ANYTHING she wants ... treat her as normal as possible. She will
keep her until Friday or Saturday to make sure the drug is working and
that she doesn't have a relapse.
I am cautiously optimistic, only because we don't specifically know
what it is. She did look better last night - walked around the room
and "scratched" the old chair - the visiting room is a kick and gives
us some privacy to help boost her morale.
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594.19 | I'll try again. | WEORG::LADEROUTE | | Tue Aug 31 1993 10:48 | 6 |
| I'm glad to see that Abigail is feeling better.
I looked for the literature and can't seem to find it. I'll see if my
friend still has it.
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594.20 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Sep 03 1993 08:17 | 17 |
| Abigail is being released from the hospital today.
Her temperature is down to normal (and has been for three days) and is
eating on her own. One of the Dr's isn't quite happy with her grooming
habits - another indication that they feel better - but in watching her
with me ... Abigail did groom herself some and Dr. Moss hopes that when
she gets home she will be happier.
No guarantee's - she is not 100% and don't know if she ever will be.
We could have her 6 months or 10 years. She will be on Prednisone
from 6 months to a year and hopefully they will be able to wean her
off the steroids altogether. She'll be going in for monthly check-ups
and meanwhile I'll try to fatten her up, make her comfortable and give
her as much love as we can to ensure her time left with us is
QAULITY.
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594.21 | Abigail not doing well! | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Sep 10 1993 08:11 | 28 |
| Someone (I can't remember who) very graciously gave me some information
regarding a disease their cat had ... that went undetected. I wrote
a note back, asking if I could forward the information on to Dr.
Mulcahy, and I can't find it and can't remember who the person was.
I had to rush Abby back to the hospital this morning. She did well at
home for about 3 days and progressively got worse. She is all
but skin and bones, doesn't like to be touched, won't eat, is
de-hydrated ... as she vomited and had diarreah from 2:30 a.m. this
morning.
Dr. Mulcahy gave her some IV fluids and will consult with Dr(s) Butler
and Dr. Moss - Abigail's primary phsyician. We are all at such a loss.
My dilemma is that I don't want the poor little thing to suffer, yet if
they put her down and do an autopsy and find something *simple* we are
all going to feel horrible.
Perhaps I am trying to "humanize" the situation too much, but I love
her, she has become a member of the family. Is my difficulty in
letting go causing Abigail undue suffering? Part of my sadness is due, I
know, to being somewhat selfish!
When do you know it's time to say goodbye ... or am I over reacting?
M
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594.22 | | JUPITR::KAGNO | Kitties with an Attitude | Fri Sep 10 1993 08:19 | 14 |
| Marilyn,
What about FIP? Has that avenue been pursued yet? Is she jaundiced?
Did the bloodwork reveal high serum protein levels? An elevated level
can be indicative of FIP.
The dry form of FIP can be very difficult to detect, even through
bloodwork, and is only confirmed upon autopsy. Most vets will perform
a combination of tests to diagnose the disease.
Just a thought... my prayers are with you and Abagail.
-Roberta
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594.23 | Thank you | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Sep 10 1993 08:28 | 18 |
| So many tests have been done I can't keep track of them all. When I
go in this evening I am going to bring in a pad of paper and take down
some notes.
I believe she had three different set(s) of bloodwork done (CBC)?
Dr. Mulcahy mentioned the possibility of a type of cancer - something
about the muscles or sub-cutaneous tissue? If that were the case,
her prognosis is definitely not good.
She told me to call her back around 2 this afternoon and I will mention
the dry form of FIP, liver cancer or another disease Feline
Infectious Anemia - that was also brought to my attention. Dr. Mulcahy
says her tail is STILL part of the problem!
Thanks for the prayers ... Abigail needs all the help she can get!
Marilyn
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594.24 | | MAGEE::MERRITT | Kitty City | Fri Sep 10 1993 08:29 | 9 |
| Another thought....it sounds alot of the symptoms are what
I went through with Van Gogh when he was diagnosed with Megacolon!
Have they done and ultrasound on Abby......
Your in my thoughts and prayers. And even if right now you do not
feel you will know when the time is....believe me...you will KNOW!
Sandy
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594.25 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Sep 10 1993 08:41 | 14 |
| Thanks Sandy, I'll add Megacolon to the list. What is it? Did Van
Gogh have a sensitive tail, weight loss, high fever, etc? What
did they do for treatment?
No, they have not done an ultrasound yet, at this point I have spent
so much money what the heck is another $100 - I'll request one.
Not knowing what tomorrow will bring I cannot imagine how I will
handle something like that. I try hard not to dwell on it, yet, I
have to be realistic that it is a very good possibility and not
supress my emotions. So, I cry at the drop of a hat!
M
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594.26 | | MAGEE::MERRITT | Kitty City | Fri Sep 10 1993 08:56 | 21 |
|
I'm off to a meeting so I can't write much but please feel free to
call me at home tonight. (508-342-2985) For Van Gogh's full story
see note 62.
Megacolon is a problem with intestines. VG had a piece of his
large intestine that was "ruined" and he couldn't push the poop
threw!! We went through multiple tests and treatments and after
many months it was finally diagnosed as Megacolon from my vet...and
confirmed at Tufts (via ultrasound) who operated on him!! They
removed 80% of his large intestine...and it has been almost 2 years
and he is doing GREAT!
VG had multiple symptoms such as throwing up, diahreah, constipated,
fever, lethargic etc. After an enema...he would be great for two
days...and then start going down hill again!! If they are bound up..
they stop eating...throw up etc!!!!
Feel free to call....
Sandy
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594.27 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Sep 10 1993 11:58 | 12 |
| I just called the office, again, and Dr. Mulcahy is in surgery. This
was to be Dr. Moss's day off, bless her heart, she did come in to the
office. I would love to think it was just to see Abby ;*) but I am
sure there are other things she has to do.
They will consult and I am to call back around 3:30.
Thanks to everyone who has written/called offline to send their wishes
and prayers.
Marilyn
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594.28 | Latest report from Dr. Mulcahy | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Sep 10 1993 14:03 | 40 |
| I just got off the phone with Dr. Mulcahy.
Thanks to the advice and "direction" from a lot of friends out there
she listened and was receptive to all my questions. First, both Dr.
Moss and Dr. Mulcahy feel the vomiting and diarreah is a result of
Abby's intolerance to the Prednisone - which they stopped giving her
right away. She has had two sub-cutaneous fluid enjections and she has
to stop vomiting for 24 hours before they will re-introduce fluids by
mouth. I forgot to ask if she had a fever ... although she didn't feel
warm to me this morning.
She is (temporarily) ruling out Feline Infectious Anemia ... they have
done numerous blood tests but the one they ran today is still pending.
There is drug (other than Prednisone) that I mentioned which she had
not heart of but will research it and consult with the other two
doctors.
I mentioned Tufts and she said that she thinks that would be a good
idea - if after all the testing they do doesn't come up with anything
substantial. She suggested a Susan Cotter - has anyone heard of her or
had any contact with her? She said not only is she intelligent, but
compassionate and a real "cat" lover.
A doctor Kaplan will be coming to the hospital late this afternoon
and I gave her permission for Abby to have an Ultrasound.
When I asked her if all this testing (etc.) was a "quest" to satisfy
our curiousity or save Abby - she feels (thank God) that because Abby
is so young ... there is a good chance that a diagnosis and treatment
will be found. She has her age going for her - and she also reiterated
to me that her spirit is still alive ... she's not ready to die yet!
I'll keep you updated!
Marilyn
P.S. By the way. Has anyone heard of (check the spelling here)
Myocitis?
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594.29 | Red blood cell count/transfusion | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Mon Sep 13 1993 05:47 | 36 |
| I visited Abigail Sunday morning and later, Dr. Moss called me at home.
Her white cell blood count was 1,000. I remember Dr. Moss telling me
what the "normal" range is (thousands) but she cannot survive on that
extremely low count. She gave her a blood transfusion and she told me
that the next 72 hours were critical.
Dr. Moss is almost sure it's Lupus. She was reading through the book
and the symptoms are all there. One of the first signs something was
wrong - hindsight is ALWAYS 20-20 - was that Abigail didn't like to be
held, touched or brushed anymore.. It didn't seem strange (at the
time) as sometimes I have found cats to be in a "mood" and the behavior
change was so minimal I didn't pick up on it.
I am anxious to call this morning around 9 a.m. and hope that I hear
some good news. Abigial did stop the vomiting and diarreah and was
eating Sunday morning which is a good sign. She seems to be quite the
fighter and I am hoping her age (a year) is going to be her ace in the
hole.
Has anyone got any information about Lupus? Did she "catch" it .. is
it viral, could she have been born with that trait? Any or all
information would be appreciated. Dr. Moss said her case was unusual
and what I would like to do is get some information (symptoms) and post
them here (make a Lupus file) so that if some other cat starts acting
and/or behaving like Abigail - Lupus could be diagnosed more quickly.
Again, I can't say enough about the love, caring and expertise Dr(s)
Moss, Mulcahy and Butler have shown Abigail and the patience they
have had with ME. They are the best!!
Thanks for any information you could supply me with or direct me to any
reading material.
Marilyn
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594.30 | | MIMS::MCFARLAND_D | bo don't know windows 3.1 | Tue Sep 14 1993 11:16 | 7 |
| marilyn,
have no info, just prayers and good wishes for you and abby.
diane, stella and stanley
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594.31 | | WEORG::LADEROUTE | | Wed Sep 15 1993 13:17 | 15 |
| Marilyn,
A while ago, I put a note in saying that I would look for a brochure on
Lupus. I asked my friend, but she forgot. After reading your note, I
called her and asked her again. She said she would find something for
me to give to you. If you're interested in receiving the information,
please let me know.
For now, I can tell you that Lupus is not catchy or caused by a virus.
It is an auto-immune disease. No one knows how or why people (and I
guess cats) get it.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that your vet gets it under control soon.
Deb
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594.32 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Wed Sep 15 1993 13:33 | 32 |
| Deb, thank you.
Abigail is not doing all that well.
Every night I leave work and go visit her and the poor little thing
looks so pathetic. One day she eats, the next she doesn't - her
temperature stablizes but she has a bit of diarreah. The doctors
took a blood sample and are waiting for the results (something nuclear)
which is due back anytime. It will HOPEFULLY come back positive so they
can treat her.
I am under the impression (and I could be wrong) that no cat has
ever been diagnosed with Lupus. They have found it in humans and
dogs ... but not cats. This is a long shot - from what I understand.
You also have to understand that at the time the doctors are giving me
all this information I am not writing it down and I have heard so many
"new" things about medicine I get confused. So I hope nobody "quotes"
me on this ... even though it is in writing (ha).
I do know she has an auto-immune disease ... they just can't figure out
which one it is. I was also told, yesterday, that another animal was
brought in (9 years old) with an auto-immune disease...a dog, I think.
Sorry for rambling on. To be honest I keep having ambivilant feelings.
When I look at her I wonder if I am the one who is "hanging" on? Am
I doing the right thing - hoping we will find out what is wrong and
make her better ... or should I say enough is enough and put her to
rest.
So sad!
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594.33 | Excerpts from What is Lupus | WEORG::LADEROUTE | | Thu Sep 16 1993 09:59 | 48 |
| Without permission from the author... Here are some excerpts from a brochure
on Lupus. Please remember, this has to do with people, not cats, but I'd
guess the symptoms etc. would be similar. Hope this helps.
What Is Lupus?
by Peter Schur, M.D.
Professor of Medicine Harvard Medical School
Brigham and Women's Hospital
Lupus is a chronic, inflammatory disease in which the body's immune system,
instead of serving its normal protective function, forms antibodies that attack
healthy tissues and organs. There are several types of Lupus. Discoid lupus
affects the skin. Systemic lupus erythematosus, usually more severe than
discoid, can attack any body organ or system.... If not controlled, systemic
lupus can be life threatening. Another form of lupus is drug-induced lupus,
caused by reaction to medication. When medication is discontinued, the lupus
symptoms usually disappear.
What Causes Lupus?
Although we do not know the exact cause of lupus, we do know that some people
appear to possess genes which influence the immune system and predisopose them
to develop this disease. The immune system normally helps us develop protection
against viruses and bacteria. But the immune system can behave abnormally, as
in allergic individuals who produce an excess amount of a particular antibody.
Specifically, people with lupus produce an excess of antibodies to some of their
own cells or the contents of these cells. In some patients, this excess
production of anti-self antibodies is due to the deficiency of a group of
regulatory or suppressor cells... These antibodies attack cells and therby cause
inflammation, cell injury, and even cell destruction.
Symptoms
Fever
Fatigue
Loss of appetite; weight loss
Aches and pains
Swollen glands
Nausea and vomiting
Depression
Easy bruising
Hair loss
Edema/swelling
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594.34 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Sep 17 1993 08:47 | 22 |
| ...and the latest update of Abigail.
Dr. Mulcahey and I had a lengthy conversation last evening and the
test results came back NEGATIVE (for Lupus). It could be that she
doesn't have Lupus, or it could also be a false/positive in that Abigail
has been on Prednesone. They are now alternating Prednisone with
some other drug (which is also used to treat cancer) and informed me
that 4 years ago she had a cat - as emaciated as Abigail - who had an
auto-immune disease. He was sent home, was force fed and is STILL
alive today. She gave me some hope!
In any event, she is picking at her food, her temperature is normal and
her spirit is high. She purred for me last night, gave me a couple of
headbutts ... and let me brush her. She looks pathetic but Dr.
Mulcahey feels that she still has the will to survive - so what more
can I ask for ... for today!
Thanks for all the notes and calls of support, they have really helped
me get through this emotional rollercoaster.
Marilyn
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594.35 | PRAYES FOR ABIGAIL | ASDG::GALLAGHER | | Fri Sep 17 1993 15:15 | 12 |
|
Marilyn,
Each day I log in to check on Abigail's progress. I too have
Dr. Mulcahey as my vet, and she and the staff at Central are
the best. I was so happy to hear that she received the award,
she surely deserve's it. Abigail is in the best hands. She
is in our prayers. Please keep us posted and give her a pat
for us.
Mary, Katie, Mandy, Cali and of course Cagney & Lacey our dogs
who we adopted through Dr. Mulcahey.
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594.36 | Some Lupus Information in Felines forthcoming | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Mon Sep 20 1993 06:38 | 30 |
| Dr. Butler called yesterday morning to say she had some "moderate"
good news. Apparantly Abigail had eaten during the night. For the
past month she would pick at deli meat that they had bought for her
... or pick from her bowl during the day but this is the first time
she ate during the night. If all goes well and she continues to eat,
there is a good chance I will be able to bring her home later on
this week.
Friday I called the Lupus Foundation of America and spoke to a
wonderful woman who gave me all kinds of information. I felt a bit
foolish calling about my cat - but she assured me that they get calls
about animals every day. I forgot (she reminded me) that President
Bush's dog (Millie) had Lupus!
She is sending me a paper written by two DVM, PhD's out of the
University of California, Davis - who have documented 11 cases of
Lupus in Feline's. I gave all the information to Dr. Mulcahey
Friday evening and she was thrilled to see that some research is
being done regarding Lupus in Felines. She put a call in to them
and is waiting for a response ... hopefully today.
For now, Abigail is on Prednisone one day and Imuran (sp ?) the other
and they will monitor this schedule for a week to see how she does
with it! I'll continue to keep you all posted.
Thanks for all the well-wishes. They keep my spirit up and renew my
faith (and trust) in humankind.
Marilyn
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594.37 | Fingers and paws crossed | JULIET::RUSSELLPE_ST | | Mon Sep 20 1993 15:34 | 4 |
| Kitty prayers coming your way from Calif. I hope Abigail continues to
eat and to feel better.
Steffi, Misty, Lizette, Misha and Marnie
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594.38 | Some GOOD news! | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Tue Sep 21 1993 06:16 | 48 |
| Well, we have some good news!
I got home from work yesterday and found a large packet from the Lupus
Foundation of America. As you recall, I had called Friday and they
said a paper had been written by two DVM PhD's from the University of
California (Davis) on Feline Lupus. Only 11 cases had been documented
Nationwide.
I brought the paper(s) to Central Animal Hospital and Dr. Moss read
them in the room while I visited with Abby. She HAS Lupus. As Dr.
Moss was reading the case studies she said there is no doubt in her
mind that Abby fits the classic description!
The good news is that now they know what to do. The case studies also
mentioned different drugs used (depending on the condition of the cat)
so now it's just a matter of finding out which one will be best for
Abigail. She is presently being given alternate (daily) drugs of
Prednesone and Imuran (sp ?).
The one symptom Abigail DOES not have is kidney disease and/or failure
and they want to make sure that does not happen.
The staff will be making me a copy (as I gave them my original) and I
would be happy to post a couple of case studies in here if anyone is
interested?
Looks like Abigail is the 12th cat to be definitively diagnosed with
Lupus ... but I am sure there are many more out there who, for whatever
reason, have not and/or die before they can correctly diagnosed.
Also, moderator(s), could you please change the name of this topic to
"Feline Lupus" ... I feel it deserves a topic of it's own. Either
that or you can call it "Abigail - the first Lupus cat in New England".
(ha) Nothing to really laugh at - it's just that I have been grasping
at straws for weeks - Abigail is one hell of a fighter and I would love
to give her some credit for surviving and hanging in there.
She is not out of the woods yet - but atleast the doctors know what
they are dealing with and can treat her!
Marilyn
P.S. Thanks for all the calls and well wishes - and for the few
who were willing to share some painful (yet informative)
experiences with me. Your courage prompted me to make the
phone calls and attempt to search for this breakthrough
information. I thank you from the bottom of my heart!
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594.39 | | JUPITR::KAGNO | Kitties with an Attitude | Tue Sep 21 1993 06:57 | 9 |
| Marilyn, that is great news! How wonderful that a diagnosis has
definitely been confirmed and now Abagail can be treated and on the
road to good health. What a famous little girl you have there! :^)
Not many folks would have gone the extra miles and then some, and you
deserve a gold star for your infinite patience and love.
-Roberta
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594.40 | | AYRPLN::VENTURA | was ::TAYLOR. YYYYYABBADABBADOO!! | Tue Sep 21 1993 07:03 | 7 |
| I've changed the title .. I thought this title would be more
appropriate and honoring your dear Abigail. I'm SO glad that they've
finally diagnosed her!! I'm sure that you're quite releaved!!
HUGS to you and Abigail!!
Holly (and Tabitha, Silver, Pita, Kyra, and Mondo)
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594.41 | Now we hope for a full recovery! | REFDV1::LUST | Hugs - food for the soul | Tue Sep 21 1993 07:54 | 8 |
| Fantastic! - I've been following this saga, and hoping for the best.
Now that they know what they are fighting, it should go much better.
I hope she is well enough to come home soon! Any idea how long this
thing is going to take before she is fully recovered?
What a fighter, I just hope all goes well for Abigail and you now!
Linda
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594.42 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Tue Sep 21 1993 08:17 | 31 |
| Dr. Moss mentioned that Abigail could possibly come home by this
Friday evening. I explained to her that I am a bit nervous about
that and she laughed and said "we all love her but she HAS to go
home". For me, it's like having been in a car accident and not
wanting to drive the same road that it occurred on. She assured
me that there is nothing at home that will make her "sick", however
I will have to give her medication and monitor her. I believe
she will be on medication for the rest of her life, she will get
quite tired at times and will have to wait to talk with the doctors
to find out if there are any other side effects. One of the case
studies mentioned that a cat had had 4 relapses and Abigail has
already had two. Hopefully she won't have any more.
Dr. Moss also wanted me to call Cornell University's College of
Veterinary Medicine - which I did and am waiting for them to call
me back. She is hoping that they also have copies of some
published material on Feline Lupus. The more information she can
get ... the better for them to diagnosis any other cases that may
come in to their hospital.
Knowledge is the key and I wonder if little Abigail realizes that
she might possibly have "save" some other cats life - by surviving
this long enough for the disease to be finally diagnosed. I am
bordering "drama" and "brag" - I feel like calling Cat Fancy magazine
or the newspaper to have a story written about her as well as Central
Animal Hospital and the fine work they do!
I'll be quiet now! (smile)
Marilyn
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594.43 | Hard works pays off yet again!!.... | STUDIO::COLAIANNI | I have PMS and a handgun ;-) | Tue Sep 21 1993 08:28 | 20 |
| Marilyn,
Don't be afraid to brag a bit! You're hard work and perseverance
seems to have paid off big time! I'm so happy they have diagnosed
Abigail! Once they figure out what meds to use to keep her stable, she
should be able to live for a good long time!
My sister-in-law has been diagnosed with Lupus, and has been feeling
great for the past few years for the most part. Every once in a while,
the medication stops working, and they need to change it, but I think
this has only happened a couple of times, and she was diagnosed about
five years ago! I don't know all that much about the disease itself, so
whatever you enter about it will be welcome by me!
Good luck, and I know you'll do great by her when she gets home! You
didn't do this much work to chicken out at this point! ;-)
Love,
Yonee
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594.44 | | MAYES::MERRITT | Kitty City | Tue Sep 21 1993 08:32 | 20 |
| Marilyn...so happy that they diagnosed this disease and I pray
Abigail is on her way to recovery!!!
As far as bringing her home....what I suggest is to get yourself
a little journal and mark down everything Abigail does. How much
she eats, when she poops, what she looks like, is she playing...
is she sleeping more, meds etc. I have done this for both Van Gogh
and now I'm doing it with Mr. Meow (kidney disease) and anytime
I go to the vet...the journal comes with me. The vets are real
impressed with it because it really helps them monitor the
recovery as well and you will notice any change in behavior.
Any info you can get on Lupus...please share with the file. Abigail
could possibly help diagnose/save some of our feliners in the
future.
Abigail is quite the little fighter....
Sandy
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594.45 | Time Needed | AIMHI::BATES | | Tue Sep 21 1993 11:42 | 7 |
| Marilyn,
I'm so glad my sharing could help. Don't worry, the medicine for
Lupus works wonders. Ab will be fine, it's just gonna take time.
Donna
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594.46 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Tue Sep 21 1993 13:58 | 33 |
| Hi (again).
I just got off the phone with Gwen from the Cornell University
College of Veterinary Medicine. She is going to research her library
to see if there is any other information she has regarding Feline
Lupus. She was aware of the work/research being done at the University
of California, Davi and was extremely pleasant and very helpful.
For anyone who knows (or has) a cat that has some of the symptoms that
were discussed earlier here are two doctors that your veterinarian can
call regarding questions they might have regarding Feline Lupus (or
probably any other disease). Cornell University is located in New York.
Dr. Danny Scott. She said to make sure they ask to speak to Dr. DANNY
Scott, as the Director of the University is a Dr.
Fred Scott.
Dr. William Miller
...and this is the telephone number 607-253-3038
Abigail is still picking at food, groomed herself a bit yesterday
and temperature is hovering around normal. I'll visit her again
tonight and give you an update tomorrow. Thanks again for all the
support!
Marilyn
P.S. I'll post some information received from UCLA tomorrow - listing
some symptoms, as well as some excerpts from the 11 case studies.
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594.47 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Wed Sep 22 1993 06:02 | 52 |
| ...and the latest update!
I went to visit Abigail last evening and had a lengthy discussion with
Dr. Mulcahey. Dr. Moss had called my office but I had left and missed
speaking with her.
Seems Dr. Moss called Dr. Miller at the Cornell University College of
Veterinary Medicine and had an excellent conversation with him. Dr.
Mulcahey said she was so excited about the call - she drove to Webster
to pick up the new medication that Abigail is now on - called (I think)
chlorambucil. He said that drug was found to have better effect in
cats. Again, Dr. Moss and Dr. Mulcahey are excited about the information
they received and ... now have a contact!
I told Dr. Mulcahey that the visiting room should be named the Abigail
Anderson Wing and she laughed and said "no, we'll call it the Abigail
Anderson Visiting Center". She was only kidding!
During the next few days I'll post case studies ... they are very
interesting reading. If you would like a copy of the 16 page Paper,
which is a selection from the Lupus Foundation of America Newsletter
Article Library, please contact me offline - Marilyn Anderson @MLO
or ASABET::MANDERSON and I will be happy to forward on to you. I went
to the library last night and made up 25 copies.
The Paper is named: SYSTEMIC LUPUS ERYTHEMATOSUS IN THE CAT by
Niels C. Pedersen, DVM, PhD and Jeffrey E. Barlough, DVM, PhD.
Dr. Moss will be sending Abigail's case study to them - to add to
their research (yes !) and she agreed that perhaps I should notify Cat
Fancy magazine about her "plight" ... it would be nice if they did a
story about her and/or the disease in felines. If nothing else, to
make people aware!! Of course she is a BEAUTIFUL little girl - and I
have some wonderful photographs of her before she got sick. She is all
white except for grey on the top of her head ... and she has a grey
tabby striped tail. Quite striking, actually!
Can anyone provide the address and/or telephone number of Cat Fancy
magazine? I'll either make a phone call to them or dash off a letter.
Oh, and as for Abigail. I brought her some Tweety's chicken and all
she wanted to do was be petted (REAL good sign) she purred and they
said she is eating all day long. Little amounts - but eating none the
less. It will be a very long process but it will DEFINITELY be worth
it! I am still on cloud nine - I didn't think we would ever find out
what was really wrong.
Thanks for any information help you can give me!
Marilyn & Abigail
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594.48 | Case Study #5 | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Wed Sep 22 1993 06:29 | 66 |
| Copied without permission from the paper:
"SYSTEMIC LUPUS ERYTHEMATOSUS IN THE CAT"
Niels C. Pedersen, DVM, PhD
Jeffrey E. Barlough, DVM, PhS
Case Study #5
"A 9-year-old, neutered female domestic cat weighting 8kg was presented
to the VMTHUCD with a 2-week history of fluctuating,
antibiotic-resistant fever, gagging, and partial anorexia. On physical
examination the cat was found to be grossly obese with erythemic, oily,
and seborrheic skin. It was not febrile but was mildly depressed and
exhibited hyperesthesia over the back, joints, and limb muscles. A CBC
count revealed no abnormalities except for elevated total protein
(8.7g/dl) and mild hyperfibrinogenemia (300 mg/dl). The urinalysis and
blood chemical screen were normal. No abnormalities were reported on
abdominal radiography or neurological examination. Tests for FeLV
antigen and FIV antibodies were negative. A FANA titer was positive at
1:40 (speckled pattern). Cytologic examination of synovial fluid
aspirates from the left and right tarsal and carpal joints revealed
leukocyte counts ranging from 9000 to 12,200/ml (23-75% nondegenerative
neutophils). A diagnosis of SLE was made and the cat was started on a
treatment regimen of 10 mg of Prednisolone twice daily. The cat
responded well to treatment. Synovial fluid aspirates from the left
carpal and tarsal joints were essentially normal when examined 1 month
after discharge from the hospital. The dosage of Prednisolone was
gradually decreased to 5 mg every other day.
The cat was returned to the VMTHUCD in 3 months with a 4-week history
of lameness. Synovial fluid from the right and left carpal and tarsal
joints contained from 1100 to 4100 leukocytes/ml (8-51% nondegenerative
neutrophils). A urinalysis and urine culture were normal. A CBC count
showed a borderline leukopenia (6700/ml) and hyperproteinemia (8.5%
g/dl). The FAMA test was still positive at 1:40. The Prednisolone
dosage was increased to 5 mg twice a day and the cat wa placed on a
weight-reduction diet and L-thyroxine supplementation (as a
weight-reduction aid).
The lameness rapidly resolved over the next few weeks, and the FAMA
titer dropped to negative at 1:10. In order to decrease the
Prednisolone dosage, the cat was placed on 2 mg of chorambucil twice a
week for 4 weeeks, and then once a week for an indefinite period. At a
recheck appointment 2 months later, the owner reported that the
hyperesthesia had worsened, and that fresh blood had been observed in
the stool on one occasion. a CBC count was normal and the FANA test
remained negative at 1:10. The Prednisolone dosage was decreased to 5
mg once a day, but the chlorambucil was continued at the initial
dosage. The cat improved progressively over the ensuing 16 months and
remains essentially asymptomatic."
Interesting note here. According to Dr. Mulcahey Tufts does not
recognize the FANA titer 1:40 as positive - they call it negative.
Abigail's was 1:40 ... which in fact IS positive. She was also quick
to point out that Central Animal Hospital does not use the Tufts lab,
they use somebody else. (can't remember who) She said either she or
Dr. Moss will notify someone at Tufts of this new finding!
Also. When I brought Abigail in the first time - her tail was
extremely sore. In fact, they had originally thought it might be
abcessed. Although none of the 9 case studies revealed any
hyperesthesia on the tail (only on the back, joints and limb muscles)
Central Animal Hospital will also note that new finding.
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594.49 | Keyword added | JULIET::CORDES_JA | Four Tigers on my Couch | Fri Sep 24 1993 13:57 | 5 |
| Keyword FELINE_LUPUS has been added to the base note and a couple
of the replies to this topic.
Jan
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594.50 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Tue Sep 28 1993 13:22 | 18 |
| Abigail is still hospitalized.
They won't let me bring her home (for good) until she has 3 days of
maintaining a normal temperature and eating well. One day I go in
and she's mowing everything in sight but her temperature is elevated
the next she's picking at her food but her temperature is back to
normal.
Frustrating.
Obviously I don't want to jeopardize her health but what kind of life
can it be for her in a cage. Better than no life at all (I keep
telling myself)! She got sick the middle of July and somehow it seems
like she isn't getting any better.
Can you tell I am having a bad day? :^(
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594.51 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Wed Sep 29 1993 12:06 | 23 |
| Latest update on Abigail.
In visiting her over the week-end she looked frail but in talking
with Dr. Moss last night (she didn't work this week-end) she could see
that she is still losing weight. Apparantly she isn't doing well with
the methyl prednesone.
The researcher suggested that perhaps she get the prednesone 1 day on
and 1 day off, giving her a double dosage every other day. As of last
night - Dr. Moss felt that if Abigail doesn't start eating by Monday
she suggests she be put down. Abigail is purring, scratches the
furniture in the visiting room and does respond but is depressed, is
so quiet and, like I said, not eating very well.
I am considering the possibility of force feeding her when I am there,
perhaps I am looking for a desparate measure in a desparate situation.
She is not in pain - however she is slowly starving to death.
Today is not a good day for ME - so I am praying that she turns around
and this change of distributing her medicine will work.
Marilyn
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594.52 | | MAYES::MERRITT | Kitty City | Wed Sep 29 1993 12:25 | 6 |
| More kitty prayers for Abigail...she has been quite the trooper so
I pray she will start eating soon.
Please keep us posted and know you are in our thoughts.
Sandy
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594.53 | small doses of valium are appitite stimulant in cats | EMASS::SKALTSIS | Deb | Wed Sep 29 1993 12:26 | 18 |
| when Pip was fighting her battle with cancer, they had her on
prednesone to stimulate her appitite; that worked fine for a couple of
months, but after a while I couldn't even force feed her. I thot I was
going to have to put her down. My vet prescribed a tiny (1mg?) of valium
each day as a appitite stimulant (not enuff to make her stoned, but just
enough to make her hungry). Within hours of the first dose, she basicly
came back to life. I was eating while sitting next to her on the
couch and all of a sudden there was a calico paw attached to my chicken leg.
I had no problem getting her to eat for her remaining 2 1/2
months, so long as I handfed her old mother hubbard tuna and chicken
from a just opened can; I should point out that she was capable of
eating on her own, as she gobbled her crunchies without my assistance,
but she was a litle spoiled at this point.
Anyhow, I know that your Abigail doesn't have cancer, but it might be
worth it to ask about the valium as an appitite stimulant.
Deb
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594.54 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Wed Sep 29 1993 12:28 | 23 |
| Thanks Deb, for the suggestion, I will mention it to Dr. Moss when I
visit her this evening.
I just called the office and Linda said that she is eating (picking)
better than she was yesterday. When Dr. Moss told me she would be
giving her the prednesone every other day - I don't know if she got
it yesterday (and today she is off) or if she took her off it today
and will give her the double dose tomorrow.
I also asked Linda is force feeding her was a "good" idea (while I
visit her) and although she said it couldn't hurt - it takes away from
Abigail doing it on her own. Obviously, she has to (at some point) eat
on her own. Not a good idea after all!
In humans, anorexia is prevelant in some Lupus patients and it looks
like the same holds true for cats. Unfortunately, other than the case
studies that Dr. Moss read from UCLA (Davis) there is no other
documentation of Lupus in felines. They are - more or less - working
in the dark on this one!
Poor Abby!
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594.55 | Try Valium | JULIET::RUSSELLPE_ST | | Wed Sep 29 1993 12:31 | 12 |
| Here's a suggestion for you regarding getting Abigail to eat. Ask your
vet what she thinks of using a small dose of valium. It worked wonders
in getting Misha to eat. It makes cats ravenous for a 10-15 minute
window after it gets absorbed in their system. Then they get a little
wobbly and go and sleep it off. It got Misha used to eating again. He
was on it for only 2 weeks. The prednesone that we tried earlier made
him depressed and he wouldn't eat. There is a small percentage of cats
that react that way to prednesone. Apparently, Abby is one, also.
Good luck. I hope this will work for Abigail.
Steffi
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594.56 | | JUPITR::KAGNO | Kitties with an Attitude | Wed Sep 29 1993 13:00 | 14 |
| When Murdock was ill several years back he never responded to the
valium as a means of getting him to eat on his own. I force-fed him
for a period of two weeks, and it was very stressful for both of us.
In my heart, I knew that by not eating he had lost the will to live.
When it reaches the point where nothing seems to be helping, your
decision for Abagail will become easier to accept. It certainly
doesn't hurt to proceed with the process of elimination route, as you
have been doing. If anything, you will have peace of mind that you
left no stone uncovered during the course of Abagail's illness.
Hopes and prayers that she pulls through and is on the mend soon!
-Roberta
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594.57 | Valium is not a viable option for Abigail. | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Wed Sep 29 1993 13:59 | 16 |
| Thanks for the responses regarding the technique of valium. I
couldn't wait to ask Dr. Moss about it - so I called the office again.
Linda spoke with her and she said they are aware of that practice,
however, Dr. Moss decided against it because it is a narcotic and she
felt it would push Abigail over the edge.
Apparantly valium is a way to get some cats to eat - depending on the
circumstances of their illness ... in Abigail's case (Lupus) it was not
a viable option.
So, again, we have to rely on Abigail (and God) to eat. Knowing that
Prednesone is a depressant is not a comforting thought ... things are
not going Abigail's way.
Marilyn
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594.58 | | MAYES::MERRITT | Kitty City | Thu Sep 30 1993 06:33 | 27 |
| Marilyn...
If and when the time comes to make that decision you will not have
any "doubts" in your mind. It doesn't seem like Abby has given up..
so keep positive thoughts in your mind.
I have seen many cases where cats were nearly on their deathbed...
but did survive. My 17 year old Mr. Meow (who has Kidney disease) was
one that TWO vets told me they didn't have much hope for him...but
it has been 3 months and Mr. Meow has started eating again, gained
2 pounds, washes himself again, and is starting to be a pain in the
butt (wants to go out!)..so you know he is feeling better. He probably
don't have a long time to live...but I will do my best to make it the
best time of his life and I KNOW I will know when that decision has
to be made!
Have you tempted Abby with different types of baby food, tuna,
chicken etc or is she suppose to be on a special diet???? I know
when Mr. Meow stopped eating all together....my vet said "give him
whatever he wants because at this point it's better to eat something
then not at all". Once Mr. Meow started eating again...then we
started slowly getting him to his low protein diet.
Please keep us posted...and I pray for little Abby!
Sandy
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594.59 | Try Baby Food | AKOCOA::LEINONEN | | Thu Sep 30 1993 07:23 | 20 |
|
Marilyn,
I second Sandy's note ... eating anything is better than nothing.
During Tiggr's last week I managed to get him to eat tiny amounts
of baby food, and he NEVER touched the stuff before. He really
seemed interested in the Turkey & Rice and Chicken formulas.
I used a tongue depressor and he simply licked it off.
Having just gone through it I would NOT recommend a nose tube
for forced feeding. It really bothers the cat, they actually
stitch the tube to their nose, and Tiggr fought every feeding.
He used to get drenched with gruel every time they feed him,
almost as much on him as in him ......
Try foods that she may have turned her nose up at before. She
may surprise you by scarfing them down now. Good luck and keep
us informed!
Heidi
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594.60 | Still not eating! | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Sep 30 1993 11:22 | 32 |
| Well, I called the hospital first thing this morning and they said she
isn't eating. Bummed, I asked that Dr. Moss call me back. I spoke
with her around noon and she said that Abigail is NOT a morning person
so they have learned not to expect anything from her until after lunch.
Her temperature is normal but she is not eating. She is getting
sub-cutaneous fluids (so her elctrolytes won't be thrown off). She is
purring, came to watch everyone walk by and seems alert. I asked Dr.
Moss if there is a certain "food" that the majority of cats like when
they get persnickity about eating and she said "no". She got the
double dosage of Prednesone today so Dr. Moss doesn't feel she will
eat today.
I told her I would boil up some shrimp for Abigail and bring it in
with me tomorrow after work, but if her temperature stays normal,
perhaps I can bring her home for the week-end. She can't, however, go
without the fluids, so I may have to bring her in each morning.
For the life of me I wish we someone could come up with something
to pull her out of this. Part of me things it'll be something
"simple" ... are we overlooking something. But, because she is the
first in this area - the doctors can only go by her behavior and
the little information they got from the case studies and the doctor
from Cornell.
She is wasting away before my eyes and there is nothing anyone can
do. So sad and the feeling of helplessness is beginning to get
overwhelming.
I'll keep you posted.
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594.61 | | MAGEE::MERRITT | Kitty City | Thu Sep 30 1993 11:58 | 15 |
| At your next visit bring a grocery store and try everything!!! Mr.
Meow loved the beef/lamb/chicken/turkey baby food but only if I
would place it on my finger so he could lap it off. Bowls were
a no no for awhile!! I also heard many cats love the cream of
spinich baby food.,..,but we haven't tried that one yet.
other stuff I've tried...slice chicken, baby hotdogs, tuna, slice
roast beef. Or how about that Alpo milk which is for cats!!
Have they attempted any types of vitamins...I can't see Nutrical
or Pet Tinic doing any harm????
Just some thoughts....and more prayers.
Sandy
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594.62 | | MAGEE::MERRITT | Kitty City | Thu Sep 30 1993 12:02 | 12 |
| Another thought...hey you and Abby are on my mind what can I say!!
Would it be possible for you to bring Abigail home and learn
to do the fluids yourself!!! I know Pam Gladding was taught
how to do this for Mocha (by Dr. Mulchay) and Pam handled it like
a pro!!!
I especially think it would be worth while letting Abby come home
for the weekend to see if maybe being in her own home with lots
of love...might help her recover!!! It's well worth a shot!!!
Sandy
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594.63 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Sep 30 1993 12:24 | 37 |
| Usually I go right to the hospital, as I go past it on my way home.
Last night I thought I would stop by the house and get Otis and
bring him to visit her. She LOVES him and she always grooms him.
Thought if she had the energy to do that ... she would then let
him groom her and/or she would groom herself!
I got all the way home - only to realize the cat carrier was at
the vets. So, I put him in a box and started out the door. NO WAY!
He knew where he was going and jumped out of the box (thank God we
were still in the house) and flew upstairs. I went up after him
and literally had a talk with him - saying how he would help to
save her life. Sounds stupid now - but I really thought he would
get the "vibes" and was hoping against hope he would let me carry
him to the car.
No such luck - in fact I got a rear claw in my wrist as he (again)
jumped out of my arms. I tried four times, to no avail.
I am hoping that if her temperature stays normal one more day - I
can bring Abigail home for the week-end. I think she will eat
better if she sees Otis eat (they did everything together) and
has the run of the house. Even if she chooses to snooze on the
bed or chair - she'll have some freedom to roam around.
Don't know about doing the fluids myself - as I feel Dr. Moss meant
that bringing her home for the week-end was only a temporary thing.
I go to the hospital every evening - so bringing her by for fluids,
a check and taking her temperature would be no big deal. I could
probably do all three (I know I can do two) but somehow I think I
would feel better having Dr. Moss look at her every day.
I tried the creamed spinach and she ate 1/2 the jar the last time
she was in the hospital. I plan on getting all sorts of baby food
and stuff when I shop tonight - something has to tempt her appetite.
Marilyn
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594.64 | | AYRPLN::VENTURA | was ::TAYLOR. YYYYYABBADABBADOO!! | Thu Sep 30 1993 12:35 | 7 |
| Try Deli Turkey too, Marilyn. When Micki was sick, that's about the
only thing you could feed her.
Just a suggestion.
Holly
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594.65 | | ALLVAX::ONEILL | | Thu Sep 30 1993 14:18 | 14 |
|
Marilyn,
I agree with Sandy, if Abigail is stable enought, then the
home environment would be 100% better. Being at the Vets
would be depressing enought, ask Otis ....
It just might be the key to strengthen her recovery....
Paws crossed...
Mike
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594.66 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Mon Oct 04 1993 11:58 | 21 |
| ...close but no cigar!
Visited the Animal hospital Friday night and was hoping I could
take Abigail home on Saturday. Dr. Moss called early Saturday
morning to say that Abigail had diarreah and she would not be able
to come home. So, I went to visit her instead.
For the first time - she jumped into the stuffed chair and rolled
on her side (purring) while I brushed her. That is the FIRST time
she got up in the chair - as usually she just sat on the cold floor
and would move each time I tried to stroke her. Dr. Moss was
excited that she extended her limbs and flexed those claws (Happy
Cat...she said) and it certainly seemed encouraging.
Until the diarreah stops she has to stay in the hospital. She still
has it today (I spoke with Dr. Moss this morning) it is her feeling
it is a reaction to the Prednisone.
Marilyn
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594.67 | boiled rice | EMASS::SKALTSIS | Deb | Tue Oct 05 1993 10:46 | 5 |
| Prednosone did cause loose stools in Pip; mixing a bit of boiled rice
with her food (about a teaspoon) seemed to help the situation.
glad she seems a little better,
Deb
|
594.68 | Found Abigail's Mom | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Wed Oct 06 1993 06:18 | 44 |
| Good morning to all.
Monday evening I went to visit Abigail and she was pathetic looking.
Dr. Moss said that she had stopped eating and had watery diarreah and
was spiking a high fever. Although she was purring (as we spoke) Dr.
Moss felt that if she didn't turn around - we would put her down at the
end of the week. It isn't fair for us to let her continue to starve
to death just because we are attached and I can't seem to let her go.
Went in yesterday, her fever was normal and no diarreah. Don't know
if she heard the "threats" (ha) or got all the Prednesone out of her
system. She is one hell of a fighter - Dr. Moss said that 50% of
most cats would have given up and just died.
She cannot survive, however, without the medication. Dr. Moss can't
seem to get the Lupus under control. They were force feeding her and
Abigail did start eating turkey baby food by evening. She obviously
cannot survive without eating.
I called the owner of the Mom cat (finally got her name) and told
them about Abigail. Seems there were 7 in the original litter and
two died at birth. A sister-in-law took two but they "ran away"
as she put it. I wonder if they weren't sick (they were out door
cats) and ran off to die? She still has one kitten but that one
shows no symptoms of any illness. I informed her of Abigail's
condition and she said (and I quote) "neither the Mom nor any of
the kittens have ever been to a vet". And, the cat just had ANOTHER
litter! I almost choked!
Anyway. The girl promised me she would call Dr. Moss and I wonder
if Dr. Moss will want to see her (the Mom cat). I'll call her this
morning to see if it would do any good (i.e., draw some blood [for
some genetic testing]) but if nothing else, to give her shots and
test for leukemia and/or Feline Aids.
Although Lupus is a disease of it's own, the Cornell study does say
that it *could* be possibly linked (genetically) to leukemia and/or
Feline Aids!
I hate to say this (but it will make me feel better) but I don't think
Abigail had a very good start in life.
Marilyn
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594.69 | Get well, Abagail! | JUPITR::KAGNO | Kitties with an Attitude | Wed Oct 06 1993 07:12 | 13 |
| Geez, Marilyn, if Dr. Moss would take in the mom cat for tests out of
the goodness of her heart that would be great. It infuriates me that
the momcat is having another litter and more babies could possibly die.
Maybe you could get her to spay momcat too.
But that is not the real point of this reply. I wanted say that
Abagail seems like a real fighter and I hope she pulls through this and
it is all behind you soon. You're a pretty terrific "Mom" yourself!!
Purrs and hugs for Abagail.
-Roberta
|
594.70 | Keep Fighting, Abigail | JULIET::RUSSELLPE_ST | | Wed Oct 06 1993 10:05 | 5 |
| Marilyn, I just want to say that fingers and paws are crossed here
hoping that Abigail will continue to fight to live and make it. You
have been through so much, you both deserve a happy ending.
Steffi
|
594.71 | She's coming home! | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Wed Oct 06 1993 11:23 | 20 |
| After all that Abigail has been through (I am being cautiously
optimistic here) I am praying this is good news.
I called the hospital, to check on Abigail (I do that three times
a day) and they came back to the phone and said "are you ready for
this"? I held my breath and said 'yessss' and she said "Abigail
is going home". She said Dr. Moss would talk to me when I come by
to pick her up.
My feelings are of ambivilance ... thrilled to think she can come
home - yet I am scared to death she will crash. I don't want to
think negative thoughts, however the reality of it is - she was SO
bad on Monday I really didn't think she would make it until today!
So, I'll leave early, stop by the store and pick up all kinds of
food for her, pick up the cat carrier and pick her up around 5:00.
I just pray she is REALLY okay.
M
|
594.72 | good wishes | GRANMA::JBOBB | Janet Bobb dtn:339-5755 | Wed Oct 06 1993 11:31 | 8 |
| Good luck to you and Abigail.... she may feel a lot better being home
and just think of all the extra cuddles you can give/get (probably make
you feel better too!
We have all fingers and paws crossed!
janetb.
Merlin & Rascal
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594.73 | | MAGEE::MERRITT | Kitty City | Wed Oct 06 1993 11:36 | 14 |
| Marilyn....that sure is good news because if Abigail is going to
recover I truly feel she will do best at home. You know that
if Abigail does start to go down hill....Dr. Moss is only a phone
call away!!!
What a little fighter she is!!!! Don't be surprised if Otis doesn't
like her right away when she comes home because she will have that
yucky hospital smell.
Keep a detail log of what she eats, what she drinks, how many times
she pees/poops and how she is acting....and you will even be able
to tell if she is making progress!!!!
What wonderful news...Sandy
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594.74 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Wed Oct 06 1993 11:44 | 13 |
| Interestingly enough ... the last time she was hospitalized (for 2 1/2
weeks) Otis started grooming her right away. They bonded from the
moment Abigail came to our home and I truly believe he knew she was
sick and wanted to help!
I don't like the thought(s) of leaving her alone all day long
(tomorrow) but Dr. Moss assured me she can't go down hill THAT fast.
Thanks for the well wishes - I can't wait to get her home and pamper
her!
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594.75 | Abigail is home! | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Oct 07 1993 08:26 | 43 |
| Abigail is finally home!
I picked her up around 5:00 (yesterday afternoon) and the minute
we got in the door she was scratching at the carrier door to get out.
She ate some ham (baby food) and some ham from the deli. When she
heard me take the bag out of the refrigerator she came running ..
well, not running, but she moved faster than she has in a couple of
weeks. I would give her little bite and when Otis tried to take
the one that had fallen on the floor ... she looked at him and
growled. I took that as a positive sign ... she wanted the food.
She groomed herself, followed me upstairs to see what I was eating
for supper, and walked around (room to room) to check things out.
She finally went to sleep in a little bed I made for her. I woke
up a couple of times during the night (I was hoping she had come
upstairs to sleep with me) but she was still comfy in her bed
downstairs.
This morning she came running when I opened the can of cat food
and this time she DID run. She ate well, groomed Otis and then
followed me upstairs to watch me make the bed and get ready for
work. She used the litter pan - one hard stool but then runny.
Sorry, sounds gross, but her biggest problem now will be the
diarrhea, then possible dehydration ... and not eating. I hope
this wasn't a bad sign. I called Dr. Moss and if she has had
diarreah while I was gone today - I am assuming I will have to bring
her in tonight - either for fluids and/or to stay the night (hope not).
She only weighs 7 pounds (down from 11 pounds) but they feel that
her extra fat may have contributed to saving her life ... she had
plenty of reserve.
She is on Prednesone every other day, 1/2 a pill (daily) of Lucaran
and 1/2 pill (daily) of something that is supposed to aid in helping
the diarreah (binding). Think it beings with a "b" ... can't
remember. So, I am praying that after having the pill this morning,
she will not slip back to her intestinal problem.
I'll let you know (tomorrow) how she made it through today and
the night.
Marilyn
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594.76 | prayers for the little girl ;-) | SALEM::SHAW | | Thu Oct 07 1993 08:56 | 6 |
|
Prayers for Abigail, great to hear she's finaly home and hope she
doesn't have to go back.
Shaw
|
594.77 | YAY!!!!! | AKOCOA::LEINONEN | | Thu Oct 07 1993 09:37 | 8 |
|
Wonderful! Great news that Abigail is home with you now!
I'm sure her recovery will be MUCH faster .. and it
certainly won't do you any harm either!
Heidi
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594.78 | | MAGEE::MERRITT | Kitty City | Thu Oct 07 1993 10:11 | 4 |
| It must have been like heaven having her back home!!! Let's keep
praying her recovery keeps going uphill!!!!
Sandy
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594.79 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Oct 07 1993 10:12 | 22 |
| My daughter just called. She went by the house to check up on all
the cats and to visit with Abby. No diarreah. Looks like the
medicine worked!
She ate some turkey baby food AND some Purina Cat Chow. She hasn't
touched those since she got sick last July. God, I didn't realize
how long this has been for her ... she got sick on July 4th! Three
months - poor baby!
The competitive eating, the bonding of Otis with her and having the
freedom to move around (not to mention listening to the Classical
music I leave on for them every day) has certainly helped her now
that she is home!
Of course, it goes without saying, that if it weren't for the love,
dedication, caring, expertise, devotion and time that Dr. Moss and
the other doctors (and staff) spent on her - she would not be alive
to day. I will be forever grateful and I'm willing to be they won't
forget Abigail for a very long time.
M
|
594.80 | | JULIET::RUSSELLPE_ST | | Thu Oct 07 1993 11:50 | 7 |
| I'm so happy to hear that Abigail is doing so well at home. I think
being home with you and Otis is the best medicine of all for her.
I hope to see pics of her on Monday. I'm sorry you won't be there, but
I certainly understand. Give her gentle hugs for me.
Steffi
|
594.81 | WONDERFUL NEW!!!! | ASDG::GALLAGHER | | Thu Oct 07 1993 16:07 | 9 |
|
Marilyn,
I'm so happy to hear Abigail is home and on the road to recovery.
I make it a point to check this note EVERY day to get an update.
Plus I have said a prayer each night for her and you. She is
some special kittie. Give her hugs from me and my girls.
Mary and her crew
|
594.82 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Oct 08 1993 06:10 | 47 |
| Thanks, Mary, so many people have contacted me offline, as well as
responding here, regarding Abigail's progress.
She was quite alert when I got home last night - no diarreah! I
was a bit apprehensive to check the litter pan(s) but was relieved
when I didn't see any gunk!
She has been under the ottoman's (resting) but when I got home I looked
under and couldn't find her. Stupid me, she was on TOP of the ottoman,
relaxing on the afgahn. I guess she didn't feel threatened and wanted
to catch a few rays ... as they filtered through the glass windows.
When I serve them supper (yes, I SERVE them) in china bowls (YES,
china bowls...I bought them at a flea market) I always clink them.
She must have remembered the sound and came right away to eat. She did
quite a good job with her food, then groomed herself a bit and went
upstairs to lay on the little bed I made for her there.
She was quiet most of the evening and I exhausted myself (lovingly,
of course) running down stairs to check on her and coax her back
upstairs. But, she wanted to rest so I respected her decision to chill
out.
After going to bed (I had the window open) I heard her try to get on
the bed (she made it up on the second try) and then she tried to get up
on the window sill. I got out of bed and put her up there ... she sat
for about 10 minutes watching bugs, birds ... whatever flies in the
night. I thought she might get a chill so I took her out of the window
and she went back to her little bed.
This morning she ran to breakfast - eating at three different intervals
and bravely took her pills. She was sitting by the front door as I
left (guilt guilt guilt) so I am glad today is Friday and I have the
week-end to spend with her.
...and I LOVE those guilt feelings ... just having her home is such
a joy. You don't realize what you have until you lose it (or ALMOST
lose it). She may live with us for 1 more week - a month - a year
or 8 more years, but I feel blessed that for every day we have with her
our lives are enriched beyond words.
Thanks again for the love and caring. The support has made it so much
easier for me to cope - so now that she is home I can give all my
positive energy to Abigail.
Marilyn
|
594.83 | | AIMHI::BATES | | Fri Oct 08 1993 08:56 | 4 |
| GOOD JOB...All that caring will help her cope...
Me
|
594.84 | | JULIET::RUSSELLPE_ST | | Fri Oct 08 1993 11:01 | 10 |
| I'm so glad to hear that Abigail is continuing to do so well at home.
I'm glad you don't spoil her too much. ;))))
Have a wonderful weekend with Abigail. I won't be in Feline til next
Friday, so I'll say a prayer that there will be only good news in this
note for me to read next week.
Hugs to you and Abby.
Steffi
|
594.85 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Oct 08 1993 13:09 | 24 |
| ...just had to share this.
My daughter just called. She went to visit Abigail and she said she
FLEW down the stairs to the front door. Tracey (my daughter) had
brought her lunch along with her (McDonald's) and Abby meowed for
food - even to the point where she tried to jump up into her lap!
No diarreah and she ate a handful of ham (from the deli) as well as
a half a can of cat food.
Tracey was thrilled to see her so responsive and was touched that
Abigail was so happy to see HER. She is definitely acting more
and more like the Abigail we almost lost!
I am so happy and extremely pleased with her progress. I am not
being negative - but realistic. We will cherish these highs ... so
that if she crashes again these memories will carry us through.
Marilyn
P.S. Trying SO hard not to be negative but I do have to be
realistic. I try very hard not to be negative around her
as I vent my worries here - or to friends and family.
|
594.86 | | MROA::DJANCAITIS | water from the moon | Fri Oct 08 1993 13:24 | 10 |
| Marilyn,
That's why we're all here - so you can vent your fears and worries
and know that we're here to support you - but we also LOVE hearing
all the good news too !!!!
Continued good spirits for Abigail and a good weekend for you & the
rest of the family,
Debbi & the Burrage Ave.Menagerie
|
594.87 | Another update! | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Tue Oct 12 1993 06:23 | 40 |
| Here is the latest update on Abigail.
She did beautifully this week-end (and like an infant) ate about every
3 hours. She ate EVERYTHING. I had bought about 7 different kinds of
cat food - figuring that if she were "picky" I would have choices to
feed her. Then, I bought her some shrimp from the fish market, ham
and turkey from the deli and believe it or not - she ate homeade
chicken soup on Sunday!
For the most part - she stayed in her "cubby" a place in the living
room that I made for her. I put two ottoman's together and put a
comforter over the top - then an afghan that draped off one end.
Then I put a cotton blanket - and small comforter underneath (on the
floor) for her to sleep on. Yesterday, however, she came out more
and more (I am assuming because her energy level is increasing) and
watched me cook in the kitchen ... she would sit in the pantry and
follow me with her eyes. I leave the radio on for them all day
long and they ADORE the classical music. I keep a dim light on
and try to create a soothing - non-stressful - ambiance for her
recovery.
She woke me up twice Sunday morning (1:30 a.m. and 4:00 a.m. - for
food) and still growls when Otis tries to pick get to her food first.
She ate some Tender Vittles and this morning she munched on Purina Cat
Chow. She takes her pills like a real good girl, drinks bottled water
and her poop(s) are still solid.
She looks 60% better than when I brought her home last Wednesday,
Tracey and Todd both say she looks like she's put on about a pound.
Her jaws don't grind like they did when she first came home so I
am assuming that's because she is getting muscle tone back.
She goes for her check-up with Dr. Moss on Friday - she'll weigh
her and it appears, for now, that the dosage of medicine that she
is on is agreeing with her!
I think (hope and PRAY) she is on her way to recovery.
|
594.88 | Hooray! | REFDV1::LUST | Five cats = love & fun | Tue Oct 12 1993 08:16 | 8 |
| That sounds *wonderful*!!! I'm so glad she is doing better. I was
also glad to see the pictures at the Yangtzee River last night - she is
indeed beautiful. And Otis looks like a doll, and a real character!
We were, however, worried about you and your crew, as no-one had heard
how Abigail had done over the weekend - so glad the news is good!
Linda
|
594.89 | | USCTR1::SRYLANDER | Ignore the node::name-It's me Lori | Tue Oct 12 1993 08:22 | 7 |
| I'm so glad Abigail is doing better. As Linda says, she's beautiful!
I too saw the pictures last evening. And Otis is one character, I must
admit!
Give them both kitty kisses for me!
Lori B.
|
594.90 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Tue Oct 12 1993 10:29 | 22 |
| ...and you should see Otis with Abigail. He is an extremely mellow
guy and I swear, coaxes her to eat. He'll munch a bit and then look
at her (to make sure she is eating) and follows her around to make
sure she is okay.
He has the soul of a human ... just looking into those eyes, which
if you noticed (the ones who saw his pictures) can pierce the camera.
His personality definitely comes out in those photo's.
Donna Bates came to visit Abby Friday night ... she can attest to how
thin she wass. However (Donna) you should see her now! She looks like
she has porked out a pound or two, her fur is a bit shinier and her
eyes aren't sunken in her head like last week.
Glad you enjoyed the pictures. I thought of you all Monday night,
perhaps the next dinner ... not only can I attend but bring you
pictures of Abby in full recovery!
M
|
594.91 | Keep going... | AIMHI::BATES | | Wed Oct 13 1993 11:01 | 9 |
| Hi All,
Yes, I got to meet the famous Abagail in person...she looked..well
like she has Lupus. Poor baby...but she was eating good...you hang
in there Marilyn...she's gonna be fine.
Donna & Angel Kitty sending Paw hugs.....
|
594.92 | Abigail's Check-up! | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Oct 14 1993 06:44 | 37 |
| Abigail got her first check-up last night. I think she knew, however,
that she was going to the doctor's ... she ran away from me when it
came time to put her in the carrier.
She didn't gain any weight (sigh) but Dr. Moss said she didn't lose
any either. She had a fever of 103 ... could have been one of her
down days or the stress of being in the examining room! Dr. Moss
was happy to see her and said she thought she looked wonderful.
When I brought her home she hid in her cubby and didn't come out all
night - except to eat, which was not as well as she has been.
From what I understand, some effects of Lupus are brought on by
stress so I am hoping that this little setback is because of her
trip outside the house! She did eat better this morning and it's
her day for Prednesone - I can't wait to get home and see how she
is doing tonight. I ran out of her deli treats - so I'll pick up
some ham and turkey breast on the way home, that should perk her up
a bit!
Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part but I really thought she
had put on some weight ... she seemed to have really filled out. Does
anyone know if it is possible that in eating her muscle tone would
increase, creating a "fuller" look? Forgot to ask Dr. Moss when I was
there ... we got to talking about other things.
Marilyn
P.S. Dr. Moss said they (she and Dr. Mulcahy) didn't learn anything
about Lupus at the conference in Philadelphia. Unfortunately
the disease is so rare in cats that no one had any information.
She did say, however, that because of Abigail -- and the
knowledge they learned gained about Feline Lupus (and the
documentation of her treatment) they were both "heroes". In
my heart, they are!!! Can't say enought about CHA -- and what
Dr. Moss has done for Abigail AND me!
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594.93 | d | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Tue Oct 19 1993 06:50 | 20 |
| Here is a brief update on Abigail.
She sailed through the week-end and it seems she has forgiven me.
She slept with me the last two nights and isn't hiding in her
cubby anymore. She does go in there, however, to get away from
the Otis and Tiffer chase ... she's not up to it yet.
She had some bacon for breakfast Sunday morning and chirped for
the first time last night. She is grooming her entire body now,
not just her face!
She's due to see Dr. Moss a week from tomorrow and I'm hoping that
she'll have put on some weight. The dosage of Prednesone and
Leukuran (sp ?) is agreeing with her (so far).
Thanks for all the well-wishes and I'll post another update the end
of the week.
Marilyn
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594.94 | | MAYES::MERRITT | Kitty City | Tue Oct 19 1993 06:56 | 13 |
| What a wondeful feeling you must have. I remember the first
time Mr. Meow tried washing his face and fell over because he
was too weak. I saw the sign of wanting to be clean...and
said to myself "he wants to live...there is more fight to him
then I originally thought. As time went on he got stronger and
the night he started washing his back...was the night I sat
there smiling/crying watching him!!
So far Abigail shows so many signs of improvement.....it's getting
hard to believe that she won't win this battle!! Keep those
updates coming....
Sandy
|
594.95 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Wed Oct 20 1993 07:48 | 22 |
| Each day seems to get better ... however, there may be an issue that
I need to take her to the hospital for tonight.
The good news! She chirps (FINALLY) and runs around ... chased the
flashlight last night. She hasn't done that since June - boy what
fun we had. She ate real good and when I went to bed - climbed up
on the bed, curled herself in my arms and started kissing my face.
Purring loudly - it was like her old self. I was really amazed to
see her doing so well.
I noticed this morning that she pee'd three times ... so I have to
call Dr. Moss this morning to find out if there is a potential
problem. Things are going SO well and I'm nervous that she could
have some kidney problems ... which, I am told, would not be
unusual with her diagnosis of Lupus.
Keep your fingers crossed - I'm calling the hospital now to see
what they have to say! I have the feeling we will make a trip in
tonight - things were going so well.
M
|
594.96 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Oct 21 1993 06:26 | 20 |
| Well, I spoke with CHA and Dr. Moss decided to give Abigail a
prescription of Amoxicillin ... it won't hurt her and if it's
Cystitis and/or a bladder infection, it will clear it up.
Abigail's appetite is still improving, she's much more alert
and is getting more curious (and investigative) with places in
the house that she used to play in. She was sitting in a corner
this morning - her back to me - and didn't move. She was glaring
into the corner on the floor. I watched her for a minute and then
when I went over to see if she was alright (she was hunched over
like a statue - the "thinker" came to mind) her eyes were glued
to the floor. Suddenly she swatted her paw and ran like hell...
she had found a dust bunny! Guess I'll have to clean those corners
more closely - ahh, it's cleaning day on Friday, it'll give her
something to do! Ha!
So, my worst fears are gone.
M
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594.97 | Ya gotta watch out for those dust bunnies! | STUDIO::COLAIANNI | I have PMS and a handgun ;-) | Thu Oct 21 1993 07:01 | 22 |
| Marilyn,
Glad to hear they think it's something minor. I'm also glad they put
her on Amoxi just in case. Please remember though, that antibiotics can
sometimes cause loose stools, so don't panic right away of this
happens. I guess it has to do with the bacteria in the stomach also
being 'taken care of' by the amoxi. If it goes on though, make the
call! 8-}
I love it when kitties stalk those 'treacherous' dust bunnies! ;-) I
also have checked to make sure feendoonie was all right when she had
stared one down for a bit too long for my comfort! ;-)
Hugs to you and Abby, and I'll keep sending the good thoughts to both
of you!
Thanks for the update.
Love,
Yonee
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594.98 | | MVDS02::BELFORTI | PFYOWS | Thu Oct 21 1993 08:35 | 4 |
| When you give Abby her Amoxi, also give her plain yogurt.... it will
put the "good" bacteria back in her system!
M-L
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594.99 | DAH! How could I forget? I eat it every day! | STUDIO::COLAIANNI | I have PMS and a handgun ;-) | Thu Oct 21 1993 09:23 | 7 |
| M-L,
Thanks for putting that in! I knew there was SOMETHING to help, but I
couldn't for the life of my brain dead self think of it! YOGURT! Yeah,
that's the ticket! 8-)
Yonee
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594.100 | | MVDS02::BELFORTI | PFYOWS | Thu Oct 21 1993 15:45 | 9 |
| Yonee,
If Abby is ANYTHING like my girls, we can't have it in the house! They
normally don't like human food (weird cats), but if it's yogurt, they
will hunt it out!!! It is good for them, thank goodness!
Glad I could help!
M-L
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594.101 | KEEP THOSE UPDATES COMING! | ASDG::GALLAGHER | | Thu Oct 21 1993 16:18 | 4 |
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Hugs to you and Abigail. I'm so happy she is recovering so well.
Mary,Katie,Mandy,Cagney and Lacey
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594.102 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Oct 22 1993 06:08 | 23 |
| Well, Abigail had a minor setback.
She seemed to be urinating quite a bit and Dr. Moss put her on
Amoxicillan. Last night she woke me up with scratching in the
litter pan. She didn't appear to be in any discomfort but she
would pee, eat some food and have a drink a water. This routine went
on until about 4:30 this morning.
I hate it when things happen in the middle of the night. I got
concerned so I called and Dr. Mulcahy was on. After she called me back
she seemed to feel it's a bladder or urinary tract infection and I felt
a better having been able to talk to her about it.
Abigail DID NOT want to get in the carrier ... but I finally got her in
and dropped her off at the hospital for the day. Hopefully this is
just a minor setback and that when they collect the urine sample they
will be able to find out the problem.
One of my worst fears is that she has kidney damage but ... it's only
a fear and I'll wait to speak to them around noon.
marilyn
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594.103 | | MAGEE::MERRITT | Kitty City | Fri Oct 22 1993 07:04 | 22 |
| Marilyn...fingers crossed again for little Abby. Regarding your
worse fear that there is kidney damage....don't let that get you
down right now. Even if there is kidney damage a cat can live
a good life only using a portion of their kidney. They just learn
to drink more water to flush it out and putting them on a low
protein diet helps the kidney not work so hard.
Mr. Meow is a good case of this. Four months ago I was told his
kidneys were really bad and he was only utilizing a very small portion
of them to survive. The old man keeps getting stronger and
stronger....and has lived with kidney disease for atleast 2 years that
we know of. (he's 17 years old!!)
So don't get all worried for nothing....wait to the tests are back
before your mind starts to panic. I know...easier said then done!!
More kitty prayers coming your way. Does this mean Abby and Abby
are in the hospital together!!!!
Sandy
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594.104 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Oct 22 1993 07:36 | 20 |
| Thanks Sandy for the moral support. I do tend to worry too much
and think the worst ... guess she has been through so much and
has been doing so well, I hate to see her go down hill again.
Yes, Abigail and Abby are together. Perhaps my Abigail can give some
positive vibes to Abby ... coax her along. I understand that Abby
made it through the night and is holding her own. I'll have to
write Joyce and tell her that my Abigail is there ... and they will
be roomies for the day!
Normally I would think that anything Abigail got she could deal with
and/or I would learn to adjust to her diet, giving her insulin (if
need be) etc. But, the auto-immune thing is intimidating for me
(at times) and I realize just how vulnerable she is.
I'll keep thinking the good thoughts and hope that I can take her
home with me tonight!
Marilyn
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594.105 | | MVDS00::BELFORTI | PFYOWS | Fri Oct 22 1993 08:10 | 11 |
| Anyone remember out dear departed (as in gone from Digital) Sandy
Fraser??? Her CeeCee has lived with virtually no kidneys for years.
She has her set-backs, but she is always in high spirits, and such a
little lover... and she does just fine, as long as Sandy and Andy watch
her! For some reason, I think it has been 5 years?? But I could be
wrong on that!
Keep your chin up... Abby is a fighter, as is CeeCee... and she will do
just fine!
M-L
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594.106 | Hope she's home again soon | KAHALA::JOHNSON_L | Leslie Ann Johnson | Fri Oct 22 1993 09:29 | 7 |
| Hoping everything will be okay, and your Abigail will be home again soon.
I admire her and your tenaciousness in dealing with the Lupus.
I'm an Abby owner too - my cat-dog, whatever, whom I just wrote about in the
food-bowl topic is also named Abby.
Leslie
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594.107 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Oct 22 1993 13:33 | 21 |
| Well, I just got off the phone with Dr. Mulcahy.
She isn't going to do a kidney work-up - she feels it is a bladder
infection. Abigail isn't straining anymore and, although she is
drinking water, it's not voracious - like someone with Diabetes
would (that is MY assumption, not Dr. Mulcahy's). Dr. Mulcahy did
change her medication (she took her off the Amoxicillan) and gave her
something .... the name I can't remember.
Unfortunately - it's one of the side effects of Prednesone or anyone
(thing) on a chemotherpy type drug. Unfortunately we don't know
how often Abigail will get these infections ... it'll just be one
of those things I have to keep my eye on.
They all think she looks wonderful - she is doing terrific. I can
pick her up after work. They will weigh her before I take her
home and I'll let you know Monday how much she has gained. I am
SO proud of her!
Marilyn
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594.108 | Abigail put on weight! | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Tue Oct 26 1993 11:42 | 23 |
| ...and the latest information.
I picked Abigail up from the vets Friday evening. She had a bladder
infection and Dr. Mulcahy changed her medication. She said she hadn't
strained all day (of course not - she made a liar out of me) and was
resting comfortable.
They weighed her and she gained 1 1/2 pounds!!! I was elated. Everyone
thought she looked wonderful and Dr. Butler came out to see her (she
hadn't seen her since she left three weeks ago) and was amazed at how
good she looked. Of course she peed (Abigail - not Dr. Butler (ha)
in the cage and we had to clean her up - she wanted to get home.
I brought her home and she ate like a little piglet ... but ignored
me the rest of the evening. I think she was "mad" that I brought her
there - as they shaved her butt (again).
The new antibiotic agrees with her and hopefully - when she has her
checkup with Dr. Moss next week - she'll put on another pound.
Although I can't imagine it's TOO good for her to put on weight fast.
Marilyn
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594.109 | | JULIET::RUSSELLPE_ST | | Tue Oct 26 1993 14:06 | 7 |
| I'm so happy to hear that Abigail is doing so well. Give her a hug for
me.
Fingers are crossed that she continue to be well.
Steffi
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594.110 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Mon Nov 01 1993 09:07 | 35 |
| Amazing how, as time goes by, I realize how many special things Abigail
did. Because she isn't that old - and got ill mid-June - I realize
she's been sick one third of her life.
She is progressively getting better. She slept with me this week-end
and now seeks me out. She rubs up against my legs (as I prepare her
food) a trait she did NOT show in the past .. but in watching Otis
since she came home (he does this all the time) I guess she decided
to copy his behavior. She runs (not walks) down the stairs, and jumped
up on the windowsill to watch the activity outside. She chirps when she
sees you peek around the corner, and when I run water she comes
running, she loves to get a drink from the faucet.
She gobbles food and yesterday - while we all sat at the dining room
table - she JUMPED up to try to steal some food. Not a habit I am
encourage, but she seemed so enthusiastic - we all felt like
clapping.
She is grooming herself all the time and actually groomed Otis
yesterday - something she always did in the past. She plays with
the flashLIGHT, chased some leaves I had brought inside for her
and sits in the pantry waiting for me to get her food from the
shelf.
Her visit with Dr. Moss is Wednesday night and I am hoping she put
on some more weight. I think Dr. Moss will be pleased at her progress,
I know we are! But, more importantly Abigail has shown that her will
to live went beyond survival. She seems contented, and is having FUN
again. That, to me, is the quality of life I want(ed) for her and I
am SO grateful I(we) made the decision not put her down.
I'll let you know how her check-up went.
Marilyn
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594.111 | Great news! | JULIET::RUSSELLPE_ST | | Mon Nov 01 1993 10:20 | 6 |
| Marilyn,
What a wonderful progress report. I hope Abigail continues in the same
manner for many years.
Steffi
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594.112 | That is REALLY great news!!! | TIMBER::AIKEY | | Thu Nov 04 1993 08:59 | 13 |
| Hi Marilyn,
I am so pleased to hear that Abigail is doing so well. It brought
tears to my eyes. Just knowing what she has been throught and where
she is now...
My family has been asking for a progress report on her and I can go
home tonight and let them know how well she is doing..
Take care and please give Abigail a hug for me.
*joyce
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594.113 | Abigail's check-up | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Nov 04 1993 09:04 | 23 |
| Abigail went for her visit to see Dr. Moss last night and all went
well. She weighs 8 pounds and her fur is the nice "white" it once
was ... normal stool(s), normal temperature, good appetite, bladder
infection under control and her activity has picked up considerably.
Dr. Moss said she will probably only get to 75-80% ... but that's so
much better than not having her at all. Selfish statement on my
part - but I am assured she is in no pain - and seemingly acts
more and more like her ol self.
Everyone was glad to see her and she has another check-up in about
a month. Dr. Moss will keep her on the same dosage of medicine she
is on now - and I hope to get another pound on her before her next
appointment. She agreed that her "portliness" probably saved her
life, as she had a reserve of fat to survive those awful days of
diarreah, no appetite and high fevers.
Thank God for all favors (and Dr. Moss)!
I'll keep you posted as to any further development.
Marilyn
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594.114 | | AIMHI::BATES | | Fri Nov 05 1993 11:07 | 3 |
| Thank God for small miracles..give her a pet for me.
D.
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594.115 | | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Nov 12 1993 09:26 | 37 |
| ...here is the weekly update on Abigail. I also called Central
Animal Hospital to let them know how she is doing.
Shrimp was on sale two weeks ago and I bought a pound and put it in the
freezer. The other night I decided to cook it up for supper (peel and
eat - real easy) along with some cheese and crackers. I swear Otis and
Abigail knew what I took out of the freezer because they both were dying
to get to the counter where I put the bag. After the shrimp cooked I
took it to the den to watch the news and Abigail RAN ahead of me ... and
sat there waiting for me when I walked into the room. She kept trying to
grap the shells as I peeled them and ended up eating 1/3 of a pound.
Such a piglet.
She couldn't eat them fast enough and after the last one was gone she
looked at me and let out this loud belch! I didn't know cats burped!!
She looked ticked off that there wasn't anymore and promptly had some
water and then gave herself a bath.
She is eating me out of house and home (not complaining) and this
morning ran after Otis and got up on her hind legs to give him a few
swats over the head. Not only is she grooming herself, eating and
chirping again - her interaction with the other two cats has
improved dramatically.
She is getting a pot belly and her spine isn't as prominent any
more ... bet she'll have put on another 2 pounds by the time I take her
to see Dr. Moss in three weeks.
She's my little miracle baby. Who would have ever dreamed that she
made such a wonderful recovery. In fact, except for the few areas
that she was shaved (neck and leg ... which is still hairless) you
would never know she had been ill.
Thanks for listening - it feel goods to brag about her recovery.
Marilyn
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594.116 | :) | JULIET::RUSSELLPE_ST | | Fri Nov 12 1993 09:45 | 8 |
| Marilyn, that's such wonderful news. I am so happy for both of you.
Give Abigail a hug for me.
There must be something special about shrimp. Misha, who's hardly
eating at all now, ate about 1 1/2 large shrimps last night.
Steffi
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594.117 | | AYRPLN::VENTURA | Cats Rule! Dogs Drool! | Fri Nov 12 1993 09:56 | 10 |
| Marilyn, I'm SO glad that Abigail is doing so well. You're right, she
definitely is a miracle baby!
I've got people from all around my office looking at me rather
strangely. Why? Because I just couldn't help but laugh out loud at
Abigail "belching" after eating her dinner! hahahaha!! I can just
imagine her face!!!
Holly
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594.118 | Just Another "Bodily Function" | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | len, Engineering Technical Office | Fri Nov 12 1993 10:41 | 10 |
|
Not only do cats burp, they hiccup and fart. One of the "joys" of
raising kittens is that their high protein growth diet seems to make
them a bit gaseous; several times now I have picked up one of my
adorable little kittens to be suffocated by a cloud of "aromatic"
fumes. Picking them up seems to trigger the expulsion of the past
hour's digestive side effects...
len.
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594.119 | | AYRPLN::VENTURA | Cats Rule! Dogs Drool! | Fri Nov 12 1993 11:22 | 14 |
| I've seen cats hiccup, and BOY, do I know what you mean about kittens
and farts!! There's been MANY times when Bob has picked up MONDO and
he's "broken wind". Bob gets a wiff of it san says, "Oh Lord, Mondo!
What crawled up inside of you and died? My eyes are burning!!"
But the thought of a cat burping, just strikes me as funny. Imagine
this petite little kitty baby opening her mouth and all of the sudden..
"BWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRPPPP"
hahahaha!!
Holly
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594.120 | | SUBURB::THOMASH | The Devon Dumpling | Mon Nov 15 1993 02:19 | 15 |
|
My little piglet Chalkie burps, he's also had hiccups.......he eats so
much and so fast, I keep telling him it's not a race, and the food will
always be there.........but he doesn't seem to believe me......yet.
Hopefully he will, however my sister-in-law who took in a 6ish year
old stray tom weighing about 10 lbs less than a year ago, now has a
24lb neutered heavyweight, that can't get clean his backside because
his belly's in the way! (mind you, he is a big cat anyway, I have
never seen such a big head on a cat!).
She's stopped putting out dried food, but leaves the canned out because
her other two girls, wheighimg about 6 and 7 lbs are nibblers.
He also farts, and it's definately stink-bomb time!
Heather
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594.121 | Abby's getting big | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Fri Nov 19 1993 09:38 | 38 |
| Again, here is the weekly update of Abigail - who is doing SO well I
can hardly believe it.
She very rarely sleeps in her little cubby anymore - preferring to
follow me around the house, or sit in the window and watch the
birds and squirrels. Her fur is beginning to grow back in where
the bald patches were on her neck and leg ... and her coat is
fluffy and shiny.
She (very graciously I might add) jumps effortlessly up on the
dining room table (looking for people food) where before, when
she first came home, she didn't walk for more than 10 steps
before tiring out. She talks back to me and sits by my feet
when I prepare her food and lets me know she can't wait any
longer than necessary. She wakes me up in the middle of the night to
either cuddle or (you guessed it - EAT) and jumps into the sink to
get a drink of water from the dripping faucet.
The only downside is that although she is easy to pill - she is
getting feisty now and will run from me when she hears me open the pill
bottle. I've had to be creative and put the pills in a glass baby
jar (for the next day) so when she sees the jar she thinks it food.
I honestly don't think that "trick" is going to last too long though,
as she isn't associating that jar with FOOD!
She is also eating lots of baby food and I'm concerned she will prefer
that over cat food. I bought her some kitten food (loaded with
calories) and it's smoother and will try to wean the baby food that I
mix in with it. I also called Dr. Moss and was told that she can take
vitamins - which I feel she needs in order to supplement her diet.
She weighs 8 1/2 pounds and is getting a little belly on her. Dr. Moss
said that she didn't feel Abigail would ever be 100% but Abby and I
talked that over and we are both going to prove her wrong. Dr. Moss
will be so proud of her - it's astounding the progress she has already
made.
Marilyn
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594.122 | YAY!!! | JULIET::RUSSELLPE_ST | | Fri Nov 19 1993 09:41 | 7 |
| Marilyn,
I'm thrilled to hear that wonderful news about Abigail. My fingers are
crossed that she will continue to improve and stay healthy. Give her a
hug for me.
Steffi
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594.123 | Horray!!! | AIMHI::BATES | | Tue Nov 23 1993 11:19 | 4 |
| YEAH!!! FOR ABBY!!!
Donna
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594.124 | Abigail's latest check-up | ASABET::MANDERSON | | Thu Dec 09 1993 10:18 | 26 |
| Abigail went for her monthly check-up last night and is now a
whopping 9 pounds. When she got ill she weighed 11 pounds ... so
we have two more pounds to go. Dr. Moss said she looked great and
that she is much more alert.
In her examination Dr. Moss heard "rumblings" in her lungs. Could
be a number of things (i.e., scar tissue, asthma) and she told me
to keep an eye out on her. If her breathing becomes labored and
sounds gravelly ... to call her right away. I won't dwell on it
but I must admit I was a bit taken aback and am worried.
Other than that she is doing superb! I will be taking her off the
kitten food, however. I thought the extra calories would help her
to put on weight but Dr. Moss said that now she has put on the
pounds the extra protein will make her kidneys (liver ?) work
harder. She gave me some IAM's dry food to bring home - which
Abby scooped up (two dishes) and Otis chowed some down as well.
I'll buy it for them now that I know they eat it ... it's
expensive.
Keeping my fingers crossed that she continues to do well and that
her kidney's, liver and lungs function so that she lives a good
and happy life!
Marilyn
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594.125 | Lungs... | AIMHI::BATES | | Mon Dec 13 1993 11:02 | 8 |
| Marilyn, don't worry too much about the rumbling in her lungs...it
is very common in people who have the disease...nothing serious..
we'll keep our "paws" crossed!
Hope you're ok too...
Donna
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594.126 | Hence the name Diesel-WHEEZEL | LJSRV2::BLUNDELL | | Mon Dec 13 1993 11:23 | 14 |
|
My Diesel has had a rumble since he was a kitten - Aside from purring
like an engine constantly (hence Diesel) he rumbles a fair bit and
his nose drips (hence the nickname Diesel-Wheezel) - he's in perfect
health however and the vet checked him out just last week and said
he probably just has a touch of asthma or possibly some sinus damage
(he had a little disagreement with a coyote last year) -- The only
drawback is that when he tries to wake me up in the morning, his
nose drips clear liquid on occasion (yuck! - but I don't oversleep)
and I watch him a bit more carefully if I think he's acting oddly
because one of the first signs that my Henry had been poisoned was
his labored breathing. Shouldn't interfere with his general
health.
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594.127 | Update on Abigail | POWDML::ANDERSON_M | | Tue Jul 02 1996 13:45 | 15 |
| Update - 2 1/2 years later.
Abigail is alive and well ... weighs 13+ pounds and is off medicine
completely now for over a year. She did have a "flare" a couple of
weeks ago but was put on the leukeran and medrol for a week and then
weaned off all drugs completely.
She appears to have beat the odds, has not only survived but thrives,
purrs, chirps, climbs, runs, jumps and eats like "babe". She bonded
with Otis and he continues to take care of her! Now, however, SHE is
the one who grooms him daily ... guess it's her way of saying thank
you!
Marilyn
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594.128 | yea Abigail! | CATMAX::SKALTSIS | Deb | Tue Jul 02 1996 14:23 | 3 |
| that is fantastic!
Deb and THE FIRM
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594.129 | | USCTR1::MERRITT_S | Kitty City | Wed Jul 03 1996 05:54 | 5 |
| Hello stranger...
So glad to hear Abigail beat the odds and is doing well!!!
Sandy
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594.130 | | TAPE::FEASE | Andrea Midtmoen Fease | Wed Jul 03 1996 09:54 | 5 |
| This is wonderful!!!! Keep up the good work!!
- Andrea
Bigfoot, Loki & Midnight
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594.131 | | PADC::KOLLING | Karen | Wed Jul 03 1996 10:42 | 2 |
| Yeah for Abby :-)
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594.132 | We've moving! | POWDML::ANDERSON_M | | Wed Oct 16 1996 12:02 | 11 |
594.133 | Pointers to Travel Notes | JULIET::CORDES_JA | Eight Tigers on My Couch | Wed Oct 16 1996 14:45 | 7 |
594.134 | Thanks | POWDML::ANDERSON_M | | Thu Oct 17 1996 08:17 | 12
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