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419.1 | | OXNARD::KOLLING | Karen/Sweetie/Holly/Little Bit Ca. | Mon Oct 19 1992 12:38 | 3 |
| I would keep him in; he should adjust in about two weeks (I'd stay in
myself, too. People have been mistaken for animals in hunting season.)
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419.2 | | DSSDEV::TPMARY::TAMIR | DECforms Roadie | Mon Oct 19 1992 12:57 | 4 |
| If he just won't stay in, get him a day-glo orange collar, something very
bright and very visible. The reflective ones are best.
Mary
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419.3 | | JUPITR::KAGNO | Mom to the Wrecking Crew | Mon Oct 19 1992 14:02 | 7 |
| How about making him an enclosed area outside that will allow him
access to the outdoors while maintaining his safety. This might not be
a cost effective solution, but it would work!
Would you feel comfortable posting the town you live in, as a warning
to other cat owners?
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419.4 | | YAMS::BBOOP::SCAER | Boop-Boop-a-Doop | Mon Oct 19 1992 15:41 | 7 |
| >Only letting him out at night is a thought too.
Night is the least safe time of day for a cat to be out
because they are impossible to spot by drivers when
crossing the road.
...........................beth
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419.5 | he might be mistaken for a pheasant | LUNER::MACKINNON | | Tue Oct 20 1992 06:36 | 20 |
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re .3
Holden Mass. However in talking with others in the area, this
seems to be a very common thing in the surrounding towns as well.
I also know for a fact that Princeton has the same rules.
As for enclosing him, I don't have the resources to build him
something. My landlady and I discussed this issue yesterday.
She has been at this one house for a few years and has not
had any problems to date with her cat. But her cat is
white and black. My boy we think could easily be mistaken
for a phesant or some game bird.
One side note is that they do not allow hunting on sundays
so I think he might have one day a week to hang out with
the outdoors.
Michele
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419.6 | Martian necklace!! | ERLANG::FALLON | Karen Fallon "Moonsta Cattery" | Tue Oct 20 1992 08:58 | 5 |
| Could you possibly get one of those collars that has the flashing
lights in it? I don't know what colors they come in but a green one
might tell them it is not a deer or pheasant! Of course they could
think it was a martian!!!
Karen
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419.7 | | SUBURB::THOMASH | The Devon Dumpling | Tue Oct 20 1992 09:32 | 13 |
| > But her cat is
> white and black. My boy we think could easily be mistaken
> for a phesant or some game bird.
I clay-pigeon shoot, and have been out with people who rough shoot, you
really can tell the difference between a cat and a pheasant, and
anything else.
If you can't see exactly what you're aiming at, you don't shoot,
because you'd probably waste a bullet and miss it, or you wouldn't be
able to get a clean shot anyway.
Heather
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419.8 | Not all hunters are so nice... | STUDIO::COLAIANNI | | Tue Oct 20 1992 10:26 | 49 |
| re: -1
Heather,
I'm sure the hunters you've been ot with are very responsible.
However, not all hunters are this responsible. I know there are so
called hunters out there that could care less if they waste a round of
ammunition or not. They go out there pretty well drunk, and shoot at
anything that moves, including their fellow hunters sometimes!
I know of hunters that bird hunt, that most of the time don't even
flush a bird to flight before shooting! This is how cats and other
small animals end up dead or injured during huntng season. It happens.
It's unfortunate, because the number of bad hunters is so small in
comparison to responsible/sensible hunters, but it's these bad ones
that make the news and give all hunters a black eye so to speak.
I don't hunt, but I'm not totally against it, if the hunters are
responsible, and accurate shots too. If the kill is then used for food,
I can pretty much go along with it. I couldn't do it myself, but I do
understand it.
Another point I can make here, is an incident that happened to a good
friend of mine during deer season. She has horses, and loves to ride,
but is not dumb enough to ride during deer season. Except for Sunday,
when hunting is prohibited. Well, she was out riding on a well defined
trail, wearing a bright colored jacket, and got shot at! She was
fortunate not to have been hit, but she said she heard the shot go by.
She looked to see if she could see who had shot at her, but this "so
called" hunter must have been wearing camouflage clothing (it being
Sunday and all) and she never saw him. She hustled out of there fast,
and after that never rode her horse during hunting season again. Even on
the open road!
So, as much as I'd like to believe human nature has changed, I know
better. All hunters are not like your friends, unfortunately. Some of
them are jerks.
Sorry to have rambled on, but I didn't want people to think that all
hunters know what they are doing, or are supposed to do to avoid
accidents.
I mean Greg LaMond the bicyclist was shot by a relative while out
hunting! And they all knew who was out there! Makes you think, doesn't it?
Thanks for listening.
Yonee
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419.9 | | OXNARD::KOLLING | Karen/Sweetie/Holly/Little Bit Ca. | Tue Oct 20 1992 10:59 | 5 |
| There was a lady who was shot and killed in her backyard by a hunter
who mistook her for a deer sometime in the past few years. There was a
big court case about it. Not to get into a flame war, just to say Be
Careful All Life Forms.
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419.10 | | BUSY::MANDILE | That's L-y-n-n-e with an E! | Tue Oct 20 1992 11:07 | 1 |
| Yeah...her family lost the case. ):
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419.11 | | ERLANG::FALLON | Karen Fallon "Moonsta Cattery" | Tue Oct 20 1992 11:48 | 6 |
| I remember that case quite well. It was (well, a little cell loss
here8')) in New Hampshire, right?! She wasn't more than 150 feet from
her house. When I used to visit for Thanksgiving as a child, my aunt
in N.H., I was always made to wear a bright red jacket. The hunters
used to go right through her yard!
K
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419.12 | Maine, NH same difference :-) | SALEM::SHAW | | Tue Oct 20 1992 12:43 | 10 |
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Just for the record the lady that got shot was in Maine.
But agree with everyone else. That not all hunters are responsible.
There are some that go through a couple of six packs before they
go shooting.
I wish there were better laws to protect us, from these triger happy
hunters.
Shaw
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419.13 | | SANDY::FRASER | Are you unpoopular? | Tue Oct 20 1992 12:56 | 14 |
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Fwiw, a 17-year-old boy was killed by a hunter in Seabrook, NH
last year or the year before. He was in the woods near his home
when he was shot. I believe the hunter was prosecuted for negligent
homicide.
Last year I remember seeing in the paper an article about some kids
in Concord, NH (the state capital) being shot at in their own back
yard.
IMO, I'd keep the cat in for the duration - he or she may not be
happy about it, but unhappiness is a lot better than the alternative.
Sandy
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419.14 | | STUDIO::PELUSO | PAINTS; color your corral | Thu Oct 22 1992 07:00 | 1 |
| what about a loud bell for the cat that has to go outside?
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419.15 | Keep him jailed... | BPS025::EGYED | Per aspera ad astra | Thu Oct 22 1992 08:36 | 4 |
| Keep him in, a bell collar does not help. A jailed cat is better than
none.
Nat
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419.16 | | SUBURB::THOMASH | The Devon Dumpling | Mon Oct 26 1992 02:50 | 19 |
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Is it really that bad? we have to be interviewed by the police before
we are given a shotgun licence, and you have to have a magistrate, or
someone similar to sign it, to confirm they know you, and they believe
you are reponsible.
Shooting is only allowed with permission from the landowner, and any
game shooting has to have an additional licence.
You wear camoflauge gear because otherwise the rabbits/geese etc., would
be gone before you could get it.
The only shooting accidents I know of are with the traps that let out
the clay pigeons, peoples hands getting caught in the springs.
Ahh well, if it was that bad I'd take a couple of weeks off, and stay
indoors with the cats too.
Heather
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419.17 | Better...but not great | STUDIO::COLAIANNI | | Mon Oct 26 1992 07:34 | 14 |
| Heather,
Things actually do seem to be getting better, but just because there
are rules to hunting, doesn't mean everyone follows them. If this were
true, there would be no poaching problems. But the problems do exist,
and I tend to take the attitude of better to be safe than sorry. I take
precautions as though all hunters were idiots, although I know the
number isn't really that large. That way I don't tend to put myself in
a position that would get me killed if the one I encounter is one of
the bad ones.
I think it makes sense. For me anyway.
Yonee
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419.18 | for whom the bell tolls | PROXY::HUTCHESON | the revolution will not be televised | Mon Oct 26 1992 07:57 | 9 |
| A loud bell is definitely not a good idea. A cats hearing is very acute and
something that sounds reasonable to us is very loud for the cat. My neighbor
put a small cowbell on his cat's collar. I think the intent was to prevent her
from birding but the beel was loud even to me. The poor creature always moved
very slowly, so as not to make too much noise (I presume). I was very relieved
when she turned up one day sans bell.
Susan
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419.19 | some shoot at anything that moves | GRANMA::JBOBB | Janet Bobb dtn:339-5755 | Tue Nov 10 1992 10:21 | 25 |
| I live in Maryland, but have a similar "hunting" problem.
The house we live in now has substantial "open" acres adjacent to our
yard (we have just under 5 acres). It's beautiful walking and I know
there is lots of wildlife - we see hawks,rabbits,etc all the time, and
have a deer and fox in our backyard. The land next to us is federally
owned land and hunting is not permitted. However, starting mid-October
and through Christmas, sometimes later, you can hear gunshots almost
every weekend.
I never go walking in the woods during this time of year (even on my
property) anymore. I used to go, and just make lots of noise (talking
loudly, music) but now I've decided it isn't worth the risk.
It's not the smart/conscientious/fill_in_the_blank hunter I worry
about. It's the stupid/drunk/fill_in_the_blank idiots that scare the
stuffing out of me! If farmers have to paint "COW" on the side of
their animals, and a woman wearing white mittens (lady in Maine
referenced in this note) can be mistaken for a deer - a cat doesn't
stand a chance.
Keep 'em in. And buy lots of catnip toys... :^) ... then they won't
notice the inconvenience!
janetb.
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