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166.1 | | OXNARD::KOLLING | Karen/Sweetie/Holly/Little Bit Ca. | Wed Jan 29 1992 11:57 | 7 |
| Holly, what about calling your own vet for nifo? All I remember is that
toxoplasmosis is a perfect excuse to get hubby to change the litter
box, and a reason to not garden without gloves, but my "impression"
is that that's all there is to worry about. I'll see if I can find
something in my books. You're not going to marry him unless he
signs a premarital contract to keep the cats, right :-)
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166.2 | One can get toxo from Raw Meat too! | MIVC::MTAG | | Wed Jan 29 1992 12:52 | 15 |
| I had a pamphlet at home that was shipped my way when I was pregnant.
It told all about toxo and how to contact it. Tell you friend she is
more likely to contact toxo from handling raw hamburger meat (preparing
burgers or meatloaf) or raw chicken (cleaning) than she is from a
litter box. I have 3 cats and was tested for toxo when I found out I
was pregnant. I tested positive, which meant I had at some point in
time been exposed. Because of this exposure, I had an immunity built
up in my system that would protect my unborn baby. My pregnancy went
normal and I had a beautiful daughter 20 months ago.
If I can find this info on toxo, I'll copy it and send it to you. Tell
your friend (and boyfriend) not to worry.
Mary
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166.3 | | JUPITR::KAGNO | Kitties with an Attitude | Wed Jan 29 1992 17:38 | 14 |
| My vet has a two year old and a newborn. Her husband is a *VET*
himself and he refused to handle litterbox duty (no pun intended!)
while she was pregnant. Linda wasn't worried. She simply wore gloves
(I think) and took precautions. She said you have more of a chance
contracting toxo by eating raw meat (or your cat's feces if you
consider them a delicacy) than by just scooping and changing litter
boxes.
Some people merely overreact. When my neighbor was expecting, her
husband flipped out if she even went in the same room as the
litterboxes. So, he was responsible for scooping and changing. If
your fiance is that worried, just make it his responsibility. The
chances of contracting toxo are slim to none.
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166.4 | | STUDIO::PELUSO | PAINTS; color your corral | Thu Jan 30 1992 06:14 | 9 |
| Holly....
If she is pregnant, she'll be seeing a dr soon, right? Maybe her own
dr. can help calm her fears.
Michele
(with her fingers crossed ;^)
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166.5 | | BOOVX2::MANDILE | Always carry a rainbow in your pocket | Thu Jan 30 1992 07:18 | 4 |
| Well, I wouldn't count on a Dr. calming fears about this
subject. Many of them feel the same way....
Pregnant? Get rid of the cats! )-:
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166.6 | some basic rules | FORTSC::WILDE | why am I not yet a dragon? | Thu Jan 30 1992 09:48 | 30 |
| Medical people can be shockingly ignorant about this disease unless they
have cats.
Some rules to live by if you are concerned:
keep your cats indoor-only - if they aren't infected now, they
won't get infected unless exposed to vectors for infection...other
cats who are infected.
Get tested. Likely you already have immunity due to exposure
to other sources of infection. As already mentioned, hamburger
or other beef/veal cuts of meat are a much more likely source
of infection. Raw chicken is a known source of lots of uglies.
Use sanitary procedures when handling meat or chicken, washing
your hands with an anti-bacterial soap right after handling
raw meat or poultry (Almay makes a liquid soap that is good to
your hands). Never use a cutting surface that has been used
for raw meat for anything else until it has been washed thoroughly
with HOT water and soap...in fact, a wash of bleach and water is
a good idea with a good rinse after. I have two cutting boards..
one only for meat, one for other things.
Never, never eat raw meat. Cook at least to medium rare; pink,
but not raw.
Don't lose sleep over it - it isn't that common that an adult
gets this stuff..if you haven't been exposed by now, you aren't
likely to get it.
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166.7 | Try Parenting Notes File Too | MIVC::MTAG | | Fri Jan 31 1992 09:46 | 6 |
| Just had a thought...
You might want to read the Parenting notes file on this subject. I
believe it's been discussed there many time. (NOTED::PARENTING).
Mary
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166.8 | Symptoms of Toxo | CRUISE::NDC | Putiput Scottish Folds DTN:297-2313 | Mon Aug 17 1992 07:53 | 4 |
| Does anyone know the symptoms of Toxoplasmosis?
In a human that is.....
Nancy
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166.10 | Human pregnancy and cats | XCUSME::MACINTYRE | | Mon Sep 14 1992 12:37 | 20 |
| I have heard something about pregnant women should not be around cats,
specifically cat litter boxes. I don't have any firm information and
would appreciate your shared knowledge.
- should pregnant women avoid cats?
- should " " " cat boxes?
- should " " remove cats from their homes?
- is it okay for a pregnant woman to live with a cat in the house as
long as she doesn't clean the litter box?
Any other information on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
Marv
P.S.
My wife is not pregnant but we are trying. We have a kitten that's
about 13 weeks old and we love him very much. However, if Joyce
becomes pregnant, and cats are a problem then Jazz will have to leave
us for at least 9 months.
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166.11 | | OXNARD::KOLLING | Karen/Sweetie/Holly/Little Bit Ca. | Mon Sep 14 1992 12:47 | 6 |
| This is about toxoplasmosis(sp?). Someone else can presumably give
better information, but my impression is that, first of all, your wife
may have already been exposed, in which case she needn't worry (a blood
test can tell if she's been exposed), and that if she hasn't, you get
to clean the litter box for the appropriate number of months.
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166.12 | They like to scare you! | ERLANG::FALLON | Karen Fallon "Moonsta Cattery" | Mon Sep 14 1992 13:21 | 13 |
| Karen is correct! Humans can be infected with toxoplasmosis without
ever seeing a cat! It comes from meats (beef) that are rare or
undercooked. It generally is not a problem. The cat if it has been
kept indoors and never fed raw meats will more than likely NOT have
this. If it is an outdoor cat and eats "things" it will shed these
little micro buggers in their waste. Therefor, either you do litter
duty or your wife can wear gloves and just use general cleanly care!
My doctor suggested I get rid of the cat when I was pregnant and told
him where I would get another doctor!!!! Good luck and don't worry.
This is one of those things that gets blown out of proportion. Your
wife is more likely to be bitten by a rabid bat or get Lyme disease!
(not from your cat though!)
Karen
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166.13 | | SPEZKO::RAWDEN | Imelda needs new shoes | Mon Sep 14 1992 13:26 | 1 |
| Check Feline V1 - notes 2011 and 3573 are dedicated to toxoplas....
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166.14 | Long Note Warning | ROCKS::LMCDONALD | | Fri Sep 18 1992 02:58 | 10 |
|
For those of you using Windows Notes, the following reply is very long.
It contains a medical description of Toxoplasmosis and its signs and
symptoms.
Please remember that most of the advice given in this note string is
valid. Toxo. is rarely a problem for pregnant mothers and there is
certainly no reason to get rid of your cats when you are pregnant.
LaDonna
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166.15 | Medical Description | ROCKS::LMCDONALD | | Fri Sep 18 1992 02:59 | 141 |
|
This is probably too late for the basenoter but might be useful for
someone later on. I used to be a nurse in a former life and the
following comes from one of my books, "The Merck Manual of Diagnosis
and Therapy". It is the 1977 edition so is a bit out of date for
things like AIDS but should still be accurate for Toxoplasmosis.
Some of the terms are very medical so I will put my comments in
square brackets [].
Please remember that the language that this book uses is such that it
discusses extremely rare events as if they were everyday occurances.
For example it will say things like "In most cases the disease will...".
What you must remember is that the book does not say anything about the
statistical occurence of these cases. It might be talking about 1 case in
5 or it might be talking about 1 case in 500,000. Statistical occurences
of disease are not covered by this book it is there to assist doctors in
making a differential diagnosis and suggesting a therapy.
Congenital Toxoplasmosis is very rare and you can reduce your risk
further by keeping your animals indoors so they do not have the chance
to consume infected animals, and by using good handwashing at all times
especially after handling uncooked meat of any kind. (I don't know
anyone who deliberatly handles cat poo, but the cats could track it
from the box to the floor to you.)
LaDonna
Toxoplasmosis
A severe generalized or CNS [Central Nervous System] disease caused by
Toxoplasma gondii. Asymptomatic [meaning there are no symptoms]
infections are common; serologic [blood test] surveys show that 7 to
94% of various populations are infected . The disease occurs
worldwide.
Etiology and Pathogenesis [what causes it and the life cycle of the disease]
T. gondii is a small intracellular [lives inside cells] protozoan
[single celled animal] parasite that can infect any warm blooded
animal. [This would include birds.] It invades and multiplies
asexually within the cytoplasm of nucleated host cells. [cells that
have a nucleus] With the development of host immunity, multiplication
slows and tissue cysts are formed. Sexual multiplication occurs in the
intestinal cells of cats (and apparantly only cats); oocysts [cysts
that are like eggs] form and are shed in the stool. Transmission may
occur transplacentally, by ingestion of raw or undercooked meat
containing tissue cysts, or, perhaps most importantly, by exposure to
oocysts in cat feces. [I am at a loss as to why the author thinks the
last method is most important. I handle far more raw meat than I do
cat poo.]
Symptoms and Signs
NEONATAL CONGENITAL TOXOPLASMOSIS is acquired transplacentally, the
mother presumably having acquired a primary infection shortly before or
during pregnancy. Abortion [medical term for early miscarriage] may
ensue if infection occurs early in pregnancy. Infection later in
pregnancy may result in miscarriage or stillbirth, or in the birth of a
living child with clinical disease. The disease may be severe,
fulminating, and rapidly fatal, or there may be no symptoms at all.
Symptoms of subacute [not as severe as described above] infection may
begin shortly after birth, but more often appear months or several
years later.
[I have omitted a large list of things that it causes, usually to do with
the central nervous system , ie. the brain and spinal column or with
the eyes]
Blindness and severe mental retardation may result.
Chronic disease, with relapses, occurs in patients who survive the
subacute phase. Visceral lesions [damage or injury to internal organs],
aside from those in the liver, are unusual and heal more readily than
CNS lesions.
ACQUIRED TOXOPLASMOSIS is seldom symptomatic and is usually recognised
serologically [with a blood test]. However, symptomatic infection may
present in any of 3 ways: [remember this is rare]
1. The more common ["common" in the sense that in the rare case
that does show symptoms these are the symptoms that are usually seen]
mild lymphatic form resembles infectious mononucleosis. It is charac-
terized by cervical and axillary lymphadenopathy [enlarged lymph nodes
in the neck and under arms], malaise [uneasy and uncomfortable feeling],
muscle pain and irregular low fever. Mild anemia, hypotension [low blood
pressure], leukopenia, lymphocytosis [irregularity in specific types of
blood cells], and altered liver function may be present.
2. An acute, fulminating, disseminated infection occurs primarily
in immulogically incompetent patients, [patients with poorly functioning
immune systems, like transplant patients] often with a rash, high fever,
chills and prostration. Some patients may develop meningoencephalitis
[infection of the layers around the brain], hepatitis, pneumonitis
[type of lung infection], or myocarditis [infection of the sack around
the heart].
3. Chronic toxoplasmosis causes severe retinochoroiditis (posterior
uveitis) [infection of one of the layers of the retina], muscular weakness,
weight loss, headache, and diarrhea may be present. Symptoms are vague and
indefinite and diagnosis is difficult. In the USA, uveitis is seldom
due to Toxoplasma infection.
Diagnosis
The Sabin-Feldman (SF) and indirect flourescent antibody (IFA) tests
are the most useful serologic tests; SF and IFA titers are comparable.
Because Toxplasma antibodies are commonly present in the general
population, serologic diagnosis requires a change from a negative to a
positive result, a rapidly ascending titer, or maintenance of a high
titer.
The CF test becomes positive more slowly than the SF test, and is
useful when SF titers are elevated and stable. Active infection is
then indicated when the CF test becomes positive or increases in titer.
Serologic test may remain positive long after convalescence.
The parasite has been isolated during the acute phase of the disease by
injecting mice with biopsy material from lymph nodes, muscle, or other
tissues.
Prognosis
The prognosis is poor in neonatal congenital toxoplasmosis. Affected
children die in infancy or suffer chronic destructive CNS lesions. The
prognosis in acquired postnatal toxoplasmosis is good for patients who
survive the accute phase and for those detected in the subacute phase.
The general mildness of postnatally acquired infection is indicated by
the large number of persons with latent or cured toxoplasmosis, and by
the fact that the disease is rarely fatal in adults.
Treatment
[I have omitted this because the book is out of date and this may no
longer be valid.]
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166.16 | | SX4GTO::WELLING | | Fri Sep 18 1992 10:07 | 5 |
| Re -1
Thanks for sharing that. I'm going to keep it for future reference.
Laura
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166.17 | my kitten died of Toxoplasmosis | CSLALL::MORIN | life gets better and better | Tue Oct 03 1995 13:52 | 56 |
|
I feel I must add to this note. I would also like some input.
I selected 2 kittens from Pat Brodies last Feb., brother and sister
littermates and the same father I would guess from the markings.
They were the sweetest little things that we enjoyed very much. We
cared for them well, took them to the vet for all their shots and
checkups. In June Merlin started acting a little under the weather but
not very sick. But he didn't get better after a few days. I did not
notice that he was vomitting and he did not have diarrea. I took him
to the vet and they kept him there. Gave him fluids and antibiotics.
He had a fever. I discovered that a cats ears are a good indicator of
its temp. Merlin was there for 4 days and never got better. He
developed pneumonia. Merlin died and the vet was not sure why. We
agreed to an autopsy because I was concerned about Penny, his sister.
The vet suspected toxoplasmosis. The autopsy confirmed it but the vet
was still not happy with the conclusion. He said that they had not
seen an animal die of it in many many years. He said that any animal
that goes outside will get this parisite and that most animal have it.
He said that he suspected that some other stress was going on in his
body but it was not evident. We were very sad for Merlin was a
wonderful cat. We had Penny tested because we were concerned for her.
The test came back negitive.
We went back to Pat Brodies to get another cat for Penny. We got a
sweet little yellow tiger we named Grover. The two adjusted very well
to each other.
Well..I noticed Monday morning that Penny was not herself. She is a
very hyper cat and she has her rituals which she was not partaking in.
She was sleeping in her little basket and did not want her breakfast.
I did not want to take any chances so off to the vet we went. She had a
slight fever. They kept her over night, gave her fluids and antibiotics.
I called this morning and she still has a slight fever so they are
still keeping her. I am now worried. This is like Merlin all over
again. Grover is fine. My neighbors cat is fine. I can not figure
out what is going on. We had a cat for 18 years who just died of
cancer in Feb. He was fine. Rarely sick. If anything happens to
Penny we will want to get Grover another playmate. I am afraid that
Pat Brodies will think we are a poor risk. We are good to these cats.
They do go outside but we live in a great neighborhood for cats to roam
in. The yard is a great place for them to play and they can go into
our neighbors yard with not risk. Out neighbors like them.
This illness is a strange one and I am not sure if the vets understand
it. It is not easy to detect either. If anyone can add any light to
this I would appreciate it. I know these cats were well cared for but
I can't help but feel responsible is some way.
Worried about Penny who will be one year old in November.
Sue
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166.18 | | USCTR1::MERRITT_S | Kitty City | Wed Oct 04 1995 06:05 | 20 |
| Sue,
First...my prayers are with you and Penny. Don't drive yourself
crazy thinking Penny has Toxoplasmosis...that is a very rare
disease. Request that your vet do some tests to try to
determine her problem. Please keep us posted.
Don't worry about the Priscilla at the Pat Brody Shelter....
if you do have to go back there and hopefully you won't because
Penny will be fine, just talk to Priscilla. I'm sure she will
ask you a zillion questions...but just let her know what
you have done for your cats. Everyone at one point in time
will mysteriously lose a cat or kitten to some disease that
is questionable. It happens to all....it has happened at
the shelter too....
Don't use your energy about worrying what could happen...put
all your good thoughts into getting Penny better.
Sandy
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166.19 | Penny update | CSLALL::MORIN | life gets better and better | Wed Oct 04 1995 10:41 | 30 |
|
Here is the update.
I talked with the vet, Dr Hardy at Concord Animal Hsp. He said she is
eating but still running a temp. They are concerned especially due to
the Merlin illness. They are going to:
Put her on new antibiotics that work with Toxoplasmosis
Give her medication to reduce the fever
Test her for Toxoplasmosis, result will be in tomorrow
Test her for FIV, result in today
Test her for Leukemia, result in today
He said even though she had her shots it doesn't mean that she would
not get FIV or leukemia. She may have been tested at the shelter but
if she had resently been exposed it may not have shown up. He said
that Toxoplasmosis is common but rarely causes problems unless there
is something else going on in the body.
First we need to see what is going on with her and from there we can
address any precautions that need to be taken with Grover. I am also
concerned about my mothers cats. They are also littermates.
So...I hope there is something they can do but as time goes on I am
not very optomistic. Merlin was jaundice but then I didn't take him
right away as I did Penny.
Thank you for your reassurance.
Sue
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166.20 | | PADC::KOLLING | Karen | Wed Oct 04 1995 10:46 | 5 |
| I don't want to raise false hopes, but I think FIV is usually
accompanied by diarrhea when it is acute, and Penny doesn't
seem to have that problem. Also, I think FeLV normally takes
quite longer than this to become serious... I think...
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166.21 | Vet looking at everything | CSLALL::MORIN | life gets better and better | Wed Oct 04 1995 11:08 | 10 |
| I hope you are right but then what on earth could it be? It is very
strange that both cats were this ill.
Dr. Hardy did say that Merlin was jaundice and that Penny isn't.
Meanwhile at home Grover must be lonely for he is demanding a lot of
attention from us. He is so sweet and wants to be cuddled more than
usual.
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166.22 | | POWDML::VENTURA | Bad spellers of the world, UNTIE!! | Wed Oct 25 1995 07:22 | 45 |
| Hello everyone.. SOrry I've been SO quiet in here. Things at my new
job are VERY busy.
However, I have a slight problem. Following is the story:
About 5 years ago, I gave a cat to a good friend of mine who really
needed someone to love after her boyfriend broke up with her. She has
fallen in love with Legacy, and has told me numerous times that Legacy
is the best gift that anyone has ever given to her. My friend moved to
Texas about three years ago to go to a new job.
Well, last christmas, my friend had kidney failure. She was quite sick
for a long time, and Legacy never left her side. She told me one story
about how she was litterally getting out of bed every half hour to hour
to vomit, and Legacy followed her from the bed to the bathroom, back to
bed. She'd cry outside the bathroom door if my friend didn't let her
in.
Well, My friend has been on dialisys three times a week since then.
She finally was able to get a kidney and pancreas transplant (YAY!!)
about a month ago, and will be in rehabilitation for the next 4-6
months. She has to have someone look after Legacy for that time, as
she will be away from home and can't have the cat around.
Here's the problem.... Her doctor has told her that she needs to get
rid of the cat due to the risk of Toxoplasmosis. From what she says,
because of the medication that she's on, she's about two steps above an
AIDS patient as far as being susseptable to diseases. However, Legacy
is an indoor kitty and she has no other cats. She does not feed her
any raw meet, and has someone who will come take care of the litterboxes.
However, while she was on the operating table, there was some
complications and she died for two minutes. The doctor has scared her
enough that she sees no other choice but to find a home for Legacy.
so.. if you've read this far .. (-; .. I have a few questions..
1) How common is it for an indoor kitty to get toxoplasmosis
2) Does anyone have any ideas of what she can do to avoid
toxoplasmosis
3) Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can tell my friend?
Thanks everyone!
Holly
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166.23 | | PADC::KOLLING | Karen | Wed Oct 25 1995 08:24 | 16 |
| Holly, what your friend's doctor has told her is rubbish. Cats who
contract toxo are only contagious for about two weeks out of their
entire lives, when the toxo is in an initial stage - after that, there
is no danger to your friend. So, if the cat has already contracted
toxo and has passed thru the two week stage, there is no danger. If
the cat has not had toxo but is indoors only, there is no danger it
will contract toxo. If your friend has alreay been exposed to toxo,
as many people have, usually NOT from cats, but from handling raw
meat, etc. (a blood test can tell if she has) there is no danger.
Geesh. I suspect the Cornell Vet hotline at 1-800-KITTYDR can give
her any additional reinforcement your friend needs. (Too bad they
can't do human doctoring! sounds like her human doctor is an
ignoramous.)
I'm sure her kitty is crucial to her emotional strength during this
ordeal.
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166.24 | | POWDML::VENTURA | Bad spellers of the world, UNTIE!! | Wed Oct 25 1995 08:44 | 12 |
| Karen.. thank you so much for the information. I'll call my friend
tonight with the information you gave me, as well as the phone number
to call.
The line that her doctor used to really scare her was "You've already
died once.. are you willing to risk your life for a 12 lb. tabby?"
Ugh.... hopefully she'll take this information to heart and will keep
legacy.
Holly
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166.25 | | HELIX::SKALTSIS | Deb | Wed Oct 25 1995 09:01 | 12 |
| Holly,
I don't have a copy of the Cornell Book on cats, but I'd bet there
would be an article about this (which could be photocopied and shown to
the doctor). Also, someone at Tufts might have some printed material
that could be shown to the doctor. (I suspect that the written word
from an "authority" might have more sway over this doctor then just
verbal info.
good luck to your friend.
Deb
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166.26 | After All, They're *Part* of my Life | PCBUOA::FEHSKENS | len - reformed architect | Wed Oct 25 1995 10:17 | 10 |
|
>are you willing to risk your life for a 12 lb. tabby?
It's probably easier to say this not being in her situation, but I'm
almost certain I'd tell my doctor:
"Absolutely".
len.
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166.27 | | PADC::KOLLING | Karen | Wed Oct 25 1995 11:21 | 2 |
| Me. too.
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166.28 | | CRONIC::SHUBS | Howard S Shubs | Wed Oct 25 1995 12:55 | 3 |
| re .24:
Perhaps she'll even find a doctor who doesn't speak from ignorance.
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166.29 | Furry kids | SMURF::MSCANLON | alliaskofmyselfisthatiholdtogether | Wed Oct 25 1995 15:01 | 15 |
| My doctor gave me basically the same song and dance
when I first came to her as an asthma patient.
"These animals could kill you, you know."
"Gee, Doc, if you want me to get rid the animals,
it's a good thing I don't have any kids."
"I wouldn't tell you to get rid of your children,"
"Good, then I guess you understand the situation."
Never had another problem (and I'm still alive) :-)
Mary-Michael
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166.30 | Wish I'd said that! | AXPBIZ::SWIERKOWSKIS | Now that we're organized, what's next? | Wed Oct 25 1995 17:00 | 11 |
| re .29
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder whether this doctor has ever considered a patient's state of mind
during recovery. Most doctors realize that a depressed person will have a
tougher time bouncing back. A person who has such a strong bond with a
kitty would be very depressed without her companion. Tell the doctor to
pound sand! Or, at least insist on speaking with another doctor.
SQ
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166.31 | Whoa!!!!! | PCBUOA::FALLON | | Thu Oct 26 1995 09:24 | 25 |
| Holly,
Getting rid of Legacy is the last thing she should do!!
First, has her doctor tested her for exposure already, if so,
it shouldn't be a problem. Second, test the cat!
If kitty is indoor only, it has a really great chance of
not being exposed ( unless say a mouse breaks in, gets eaten
and was a carrier). Don't feed raw meat to the cat.
Also, it is much more common for a human to get toxo from
eating raw/rare meat or just from the handling of raw meat.
Most people have already been exposed. Cat or no cat.
Considering all this cat is and has done for your friend, I think
it not too wise of him (dr.) to suggest the dismissal of the cat.
What an animal does for our health
can be greater sometimes than medication/psychotherapy.
Will you take the cat back though, if she can't keep it?
Karen
Moonsta
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166.32 | | POWDML::VENTURA | Bad spellers of the world, UNTIE!! | Thu Oct 26 1995 10:00 | 24 |
| RE: Karen...
Yes, I've told her that I will take the cat back if I can't keep it.
That was one of the major stipulations when I gave legacy to her.
I talked with my friend last night and told her what I had found out.
I told her that I'm having a pamphlet sent to her explaining
toxoplasmosis. She also explained where the doctor is coming from.
Evidentally, they had a woman in there about a year ago who died from
toxoplasmosis. It was a pretty ugly death. He just doesn't want to
see my friend go through the same thing.
Also, they are giving her copies of pages from their medical books that
says just the opposite of a few things I told her. The main thing is
that the medical book said that 97% of cats carry the toxoplasmosis
disease and they are the most likely source. Ugh.... This poor woman
has basically accepted the fact that she's going to have to find a home
for Legacy. But I'll do my absolute best to make her realize that she
doesn't have to.
Thanks everyone for your encouragement!
Holly
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166.33 | | PADC::KOLLING | Karen | Thu Oct 26 1995 10:35 | 9 |
| I don't know what percentage of cats have had toxo, but the
crucial fact is that they can only spread it once, within a --
two week -- period. Also, there is a major difference between
indoor and outdoor cats. Ditto the testing to see if she has
already been exposed.
It sounds to me like the doctor has totally wigged out. I hope
his human medical advice is more accurate that this, grumble, grumble.
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166.34 | | CPDW::REILLY | | Thu Oct 26 1995 15:30 | 56 |
| You should have your friend's physician talk to a veterinarian.
They're really the doctors who are trained in zoonotic diseases, and
can update the physician with the proper information.
Toxo is actually a more common cause ofdeath these days because of AIDs
and other immune suppressed conditions that are occuring (like chemo
and transplant patients). So,many physicians will have had some
contact with human patients that have active toxo infections.
However, everyone here has stated correct information. The most common
way for toxo to be spread to humans is by handling raw meat - a
definite fact - I can give you sources from a number of veterinary
medical books. Many people have been exposed to toxo & will have an
antibody titer to it. The doctor should test your friend for a toxo
titer. Generally a healthy titer is protective, however your friend is
immune suppressed, so having a toxo titer will basically show that she
is already exposed to toxo & can't get "re-exposed" to it. Toxo goes
dormant after it's initial infection (in cats & humans) - immune
suppression can bring out an active toxo infection (in both cats &
humans). Most immune suppressed patients who get sick from toxo were
infected long before they became immune suppressed & their sickness is
a re-activation of dormant toxo.
Your friend can test her cat. If her cat has an antibody titer, it is
highly unlikely that it will shed eggs. Toxo eggs are shed for a pd of
two weeks at the time of initial infection. Cats usually get the toxo
from eating rodents/etc. However, cats can shed again if they get sick
again - this is *very* rare, so rare that veterinary texts differ on
what they report - some text state that cats can only shed once, others
mention that re-activation of a patent infection can cause some
shedding.
Whether or not the cat has a titer, your friend can protect herself in
a number of ways. First & foremost - do not handle raw meat!! She
should not change her cats litterbox, and whomever changes it should
remove feces *every* day. The eggs shed by toxo require a number of
hours (48, I believe) in the environment before they become infective &
capable of causing the disease in others. Exposure before the
activation time doesn't cause infection.
It is unfortunate, but your friend's physician is ignorant about toxo.
That physician isn't alone, there are many physicians who advocate
getting rid of pets in a household with immune suppressed individuals.
Definitely call the Cornell hotline listed in a previous note. Talk to
a vet. As a 3rd year vet student, I can assure you that veterinarians
are highly trained in zoonotic diseases & will give you straight
answers (if for no other reason than the high liability involved in
giving advice on zoonotic diseases). Please have your friend talk to a
vet before she makes any decisions about her cat.
It's great that you will be there to take her cat should she decide that
she doesn't want to take any chances, no matter how small. You are a
good friend - to both your friend & to the cat. All the best to you all!!
Regards,
liz
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166.35 | | PADC::KOLLING | Karen | Thu Oct 26 1995 16:57 | 6 |
| This reminds me that there is an organization in San Francisco
called PAWS (Pets Are Wonderful Support), which helps people
with AIDS care for their pets -- they do vet trips, bring pet
food, etc. I'm sure they'd have a few choice words to say to
your friend's doctor :-)
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166.36 | | POWDML::VENTURA | Bad spellers of the world, UNTIE!! | Thu Nov 16 1995 09:06 | 25 |
| Update on my friend and Legacy...
I received the information from Cornell University and have faxed it to
her this morning. She is going to have Legacy tested to see if she's
been exposed to toxo, then she is going to have herself tested.
However, I have a strange feeling that if both of them come back
negative, I will be getting Legacy back.
One of the main reasons I think I'll get her back is because of one of
the lines in the brochure that I received from Cornell.
"In immunocompromised persons - those undergoing immunosuppressive
therapy (e.g., for cancer or organ transplantation) or those with an
immunosuppressive disease such as AIDS - enlargement of the lymphnodes,
ocular and central-nervous-system disturbances, respiratory disease,
and heart disease are among the more characteristic symptoms. In these
patients - especially those with AIDS - relapses of the disease are
common, and the mortality rate is high."
My friend is scheduled to go back home within a week. She's been doing
remarkably well. I'll keep everyone updated, but please, if ANYONE
knows of a good home for a purebred cream tabby brittish shorthair that
has been declawed, PLEASE let me know.
Holly
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166.37 | | PADC::KOLLING | Karen | Thu Nov 16 1995 10:16 | 4 |
| What happens after your friend goes thru the 4-6 months
of recovery? Is she still in a medically vulnerable condition?
Might she be able to take Legacy back then?
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166.38 | | POWDML::VENTURA | Bad spellers of the world, UNTIE!! | Thu Nov 16 1995 11:05 | 8 |
| I don't think so. She says that because of the drugs that she's on,
she will still be very susseptable to diseases. At least I THINK
that's what she said!
I'll check with her. Thanks, Karen.
Holly
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166.39 | | HELIX::SKALTSIS | Deb | Thu Nov 16 1995 12:41 | 4 |
| Is she on a lot of steroids (like prednosone)? Those are
immunosupressive drugs.
Deb
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166.40 | | POWDML::VENTURA | Bad spellers of the world, UNTIE!! | Fri Nov 17 1995 07:45 | 7 |
| Deb,
No, she's on anti-rejection drugs, due to her kidney and pancreas
transplant.
Holly
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