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    In the orinigal TV show..What was the name of the girl who looked like
    Joesette?  A friend of mine told me it was Wendy?  I thought it was
    Victoria just like the new version.  If it was Wendy,,was there a 
    Vicky is the old show?
    
    Lou

    
    	Love the Node Name!

    
    
    If my memory serves me correctly (and sometimes it does) I believe that
    in the old series/movies, Maggie was the one that looked like Jossette
    (not Victoria Winters).  In the movie with Barnabas, Maggie was the one
    that he was in love with and I don't even remember the Victoria Winters
    character in that movie, nor do I remember Daphne Collins ... things do
    change.
    
    Judi

    
    I don't remember Maggie either...Oh well..must of been.  I still
    love the show.  Maybe the added Daphne also?  
    
    Thanks for the answer.
    
    Louisa

    I am buying the old Dark Shadows tapes, I've watched up to 50, 52 are
    out so far.  Maggie is the one who looked like Josette in the original
    show and Joe was her boyfriend.  However, when things didn't go as
    Barnabas planned he then turned to Vickie and wanted her to marry him
    after he was "cured."   She was in love with Jeff Clark/Peter Bradford
    at the time.

    I remember Daphne,,, but I can't think of which role she played.
    Didn't she replace Victoria as governess when Victoria left the show???
    I think Daphne came on the show around the same time as Quentin (?sp)...
    
    btw - hi lou!
    
    -Shannon

    Shannon
    
    I haven't gotten that far in the tapes yet...seems as though it should
    be coming up soon.  But I do remember her being Quentin's love interest
    and I think your right she was a governess, but I can't remember if
    that was in the past or present....possibly both

    Ahhhhhh, I remember Quentin, he's the one that I really liked.  I'm
    wondering if there will be a Quentin in the new series?
    
    Is too late to start taping the shows?  I've been enjoying reading this
    file and I all ways watched the original shows when I was a kid.  Do
    you think I've missed very much by starting to tape now?
    
    
    Peggy	A DARK SHADOWS FAN FOREVER.  GLAD ITS BACK ON TV
    		WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND IN TIME.

    Didn't Kate Jackson play Daphne on the original show?  Although it is a
    dim memory I remember her coming into the show after Vickie's trip back
    to the 1700's.

    
    
    Yes, Kate Jackson played "Daphne", however her last name was Rutledge
    (or something similar) not Collins.  That is why I was very surprised
    to see in the 4-hour mini-series a "Daphne Collins".  I do not remember
    this character from the old series.  Also this Daphne Collins had a
    thing for Joe Haskins, and I think in the original series/movies,
    Maggie was the one that was seeing Joe Haskins, not Roger Collins, as
    is happening in this series.
    
    Judi

    
    Your right it was Maggie who was seeing Joe Haskell (not Haskins) in
    the original series and Daphne's name was Harridge (not Rutledge) and
    she was played by Kate Jackson.  There was no Daphne Collins in the
    first series, unless Daphne married Quentin and I can't remember if
    this happened or not
    

    
    
    Wasn't Daphne Harridge from the 1700's and she was a Governess to the
    Collins Children at that time?  Her boyfriend's name was Garrard
    (something) and David went into some old wing of the house and found
    this old children's playroom, and it was there that he saw the ghosts
    of Gerrard and Daphne.  (This is all coming to mind in bits and
    pieces).  There was also some type of music box (as usual on DS); or
    was it the scent of violets that David would sense and then Daphne
    and/or Gerrard would appear.  Didn't Quinten also see Daphne's ghost
    and fell in love with her?  I also sort of remember Quinten bringing
    Daphne to the future (somehow) and Gerrard followed her.
    
    Can anyone shed some light on this ...?
    
    Judi

    Daphne was a governess in the 1800's  (around 1890 I think) and I do
    remember Gerard but can't remember anything about him.  The series
    that's on tape is up to the Adam (Frankenstein character) and the
    Quentin storyline should be coming up soon...I have some book on DS
    I'll have to look it up and see what it says and get back to you
    

    I looked through my book last night (sometime I've got to find time to
    read it) and It seems that what we remember about Daphne and Quentin is
    correct and the reason for the conflicts is that they existed in
    different times.  The first time was in 1897, the Gerard Stiles/Daphne
    storyline was in 1840...they were ghosts who came back to kill two of
    the Collins children in the Rose Cottage storyline.  That was when the
    two children were playing with a dollhouse called Rose Cottage and the
    children were possessed to help Gerard destroy Collinwood, Daphne tried
    to save them.
    
    David Selby played a total of six characters...four on the series and
    two in "Night of Dar Shadows" (the movie)...five of them were named
    Quentin.

    Thought some of you might find this interesting that watched the
    original show  [from The Dark Shadows Companion, 25th Anniversary
    Collection]
    
    David Selby (Quentin) had just quit Southern Illinois University, 
    barely shy of a Phd in Theatre.  Having lost interest before in business 
    college, he was about to abandon his second career goal--acting--to accept 
    a secure teaching position at Brooklyn College.  For seven years his wife 
    "Chip," an English teacher, had supported their lean times, (they are still
    married, btw, some kind of a fete in this business, eb) allowing her
    husband to pursue his dream of being an actor.  By 1968, the Selbys
    were about to start a family and needed a sane world with regular
    income.  David had been raised in Margan town, West Virginia, where
    every generation of his family had worked in the mines.  He had learned
    what it took to survive from his grandfather: "You have to go where the
    coal is."  In 1968 the coal for the young Selby family seemed to be at
    Brooklyn College.
    
    Jonathan Frid's (Barnabas) academic career had been interrupted by fate
    in the form of "Dark Shadows."  Now it was Selby's turn.  When he heard
    about the cattle call for a new "Dark Shadows" character, he doubted
    that, with his soft West Virginia accent, there would be any place for
    him among the creatures inhabiting Collinwood.
    
    "But I just naturally wandered over to the studio and met the casting
    director," Selby reflects.  "He immediately spotted me for a ghost
    type.  I was tested right then and there and got the part.  You read
    about those things happening to someone else, but somehow you never
    really believe them."
    
    On December 9, 1968, the handsome ghost was introduced to "Dark
    Shadows."  Though he was made up more menacing than sensual, it was the
    sensuality which would draw the most notice from the audience.
    
    "Dark Shadows" had introduced the character whose immense appeal would
    come close to eclipsing that of Barnabas Collins--"Dark Shadows" had
    just introduced the ghost of Quentin Collins.

    Does anyone know how long the original Dark Shadows ran?
    I'm curious as to how long this one will last.  From reading these
    notes it seems like there are many, many things yet to happen!
    This is a great show-nothing else on TV today even comes close and
    I hope it has a long run time.
    
    thanks,
    renee

    I believe the original show ran from 1967 thru 1973, could be off by a
    couple of years.  The current show was signed for the original 4 hour
    movie and 13 episodes.  If it does well in the ratings and viewer
    response, it could be renewed for additional weeks.
    
    The couple of Neilson's I've seen since the show started placed it
    about midway thru the ratings, which might not be good enough for
    renewal.  If you like ths show (or any show for that matter) you should
    take the time to write the network expressing your feelings.

    
    That's right Thelma!  If we don't tell the network we like this
    show, it could be gone!  
    
    -dc

    the old series ran from 1966 to 1971....at that time they ran out of
    storylines and everyone, including Dan Curtis the producer, wanted to
    do something else
    
    I wondered how it was doing in the ratings, I hadn't seen anything on
    it.

    For lack of anything better to do last night, I watched the movie
    "Housecalls" with Walter Mathau.  Art Carney was the Director of the
    hospital and the hospital's benefactor died on the operating table. 
    The widow decided to sue the hospital and guess who was her attorney?
    
    The fellow who used to play Julia's friend in the old Dark Shadows. 
    The Professor.

    I can't imagine who you mean...the only professor I can think of was
    Professor Stokes and he was played by Thayer David who died quite a few
    years ago.  Do you remember the actors name?

    Hi Elaine.  
    
    Yes I do mean Professor Stokes, he was Julia's friend in the original. 
    I couldn't see the actor's name, the writing was too small and moving
    too  fast.
    
    Housecalls is an old movie so he probably is dead.  When I mentioned
    the Professor, in the old Soaps file, no one seemed to know who he was
    played by in the original.  That's all.  I truly didn't know why they
    didn't get the same actor.  Now I do.  Thanks.
    
    I also got booted out of the conference before I got the note finished.
    Mary Lou
                                                                          

    Mary Lou 
    
    He was also in the movie "The Eiger Sanction" with Clint Eastwood,
    another fairly old movie...he played an albino who was head of an
    agency like the CIA and ordered "hits" on people.  I really liked
    him as an actor

    I don't get cable so I couldn't watch the Dark Shadows movie yesterday. 
    Can those old movies be rented?  I am fairly mixed up watching this
    version on Friday nites.  I like it but last week I kept the list of
    characters that someone put in (you) right by my side.
    
    Also I think the brother (Jeremiah),.. who is no longer with us so the
    problem will be removed,.. looks a little like another fellow in the
    cast.  The other fellow's name escapes me.  He made a move on Johanna
    Going when she first showed up in the 1790 segment, I think he was the
    architect or painter or something.  I need a Playbill!
    
    Mary Lou

    The Dark Shadoes movies are available on video, the were both released
    last Sept or Oct.  Of course I have both of them, however, they don't 
    really explain the series.  
    
    I wish I could help you with Fridays episode but I idiotically set my
    vcr for Channel 8 (ABC) instead of 6 (NBC) and so didn't get to see the
    show.  I couldn't believe I did that.  Luckily there are people in the
    plant that tape it and one of them is going to be nice enough to lend
    it to me.

    Thanks, I'm going to try renting them.  I used to watch it all the time
    and seeing it again might get me back on track.
    
    Friday's show didn't have me mixed up.   Maybe there is hope for me
    yet. 
    
    It was very good.  I was just remarking on Jeremiah (to me) resembling 
    the other fellow..  Barnabas's friend.   If you're going to watch it, 
    I won't spoil it for you.
    
    I watched Dallas and taped Dark Shadows.  Fell asleep during Dallas.  I
    didn't get to see the last quarter of the show.
    
    Mary Lou
    
    

    I did not have a good day Friday at all, I taped both DS and Dallas
    I thought, only to find I taped Perfect STrangers on both vcrs and I
    set Guiding Light to tape and didn't get that either....I don't know
    what I was on Friday but it definitely wasn't a good day.
    
    I want to watch the credits from last weeks shows again...because I
    know the Characters names from the old show but haven't completely got
    them matched to faces on this show...except for the main players

    Thayer David died????  Oh wow, I didn't know that!  Does anyone know
    what happen to Jonathan Frid?   
    
    Yeah in the original show, Barnabus wanted Maggie....I always thought
    that was why they finally phased out Victoria Winters (i Believe
    Alexandra Moklte? sp went on Maternity leave and never came back, she
    was also Klaus Van Bulow's mistress for awhile I saw in the news)...
    
    --bs
    
    
    

    Yes, Thayer David died about five years ago...I really liked him in
    anything he was in.
    
    Your right in the old show, Maggie was the one who resembled Josette
    not Vicky.  And Alexandra Moltke (Vicky) did leave because she was
    pregnant and also because she wanted out of the show

		Dark Shadows is still a cult hit 
    		but it's endangered

By Deborah Hastings
Associated Press Writer

    Fans of the original "Dark Shadows," listen up.
    You know who you are. You were the kids who had the plastic 
glow-in-the-dark vampire fangs and mail order Barnabas Collins rings(worn only 
on the index finger, thank you very much).
    You skipped the Science Club meeting to run home("Dark Shadows" lunch 
pail in hand) and tune in. So you weren't class president. Heck, Barnabas was 
a vampire, Quentin was a werewolf and Angelique was a witch.
    God knows they didn't fit in either. But they were were still cool.
    And they were on every afternoon from 1966 to 1971. Now Dark Shadows is 
back, this time in prime time, this time with a whole new cast and this time  
with a big budget. 
    Your adulation, however, remains the same. What is it with you guys?
    Some of it never stopped, even though the show did for 20 years.
    There are some 20,000 fan club members who have consoled themselves 
through the last two decades with a newsletter(The "ShadowGram"], two books 
by Kathryn Leigh Scott (who played Maggie Evans), board games, jigsaw puzzles, 
comic books, records,30 paperback novels and even a cookbook featuring a 
Barnabas Bloody Mary.
    Since the new "Dark Shadows" debuted Jan.13 on NBC, the netwrok has 
received 2,500 calls and fan letters. MGM-Pathe Studios, which makes the 
horror series, has received 2000 letters(500 of them to actor Ben Cross, the 
new Barnabas).
    About half of the letters received by MGM are from old fans, who are well 
into their yuppie years now. NBC said it didn't know how many fan letter 
authors were original "DS" viewers.
    Devotees are planning a "Dark Shadows" 25th anniversary convention in Los 
Angeles, complete wtih a June picnic at the Beverly Hills Greystone Mansion 
(also known as the new series' Collinwood).
    All of this is pretty amusing considering the original "Dark Shadows" had 
some of the lowest production values known to serial television.
    Lines were whispered off camers, doors stuck, fangs fell out and 18th 
century costumes caught fire. When Barnabas turned into a bat, it was a rubber 
rodent hung from a string.
    "Dark Shadows" beagn as a Gothic romance soap opera that nobody watched. 
Creator Dan Curtis took the advice of his 11 year old daughter and tried 
something "really scary" on the doomed series.
    He introduced a ghost. The ratings soared. Next came a vampire. As its 
supernatural cast took on werewolves, witches and time travelers, the series 
began to draw 20 million daily viewers.
    Barnabas was played by a Canadian, Shakespearean actor named Jonathan 
Frid, who gave his vampire a kind of vulnearable, angst-ridden demeanor. The 
new Barnabas, as played by Ben Cross (frim Chariots of Fire), arches his 
eyebrows a lot and smolders with passion for blood and sex (preferably in that 
order).
    In the original supporting cast were a group of freshman actors who 
graduated to nighttime series and scandalous headlines.
    Kate Jackson ("Charlies Angels" and "Scarecrow and Mrs. King") played a 
ghost who didn't speak. David Selby ("Falcon Crest") played the werewolf 
Quentin. John Karlen ("Cagney and Lacey") was Willie Loomis. Alexandra Moltke 
Isles, who played governess Victoria Winters, became the real life, 
much-publicized mistress of Claus von Bulow.    
    Mr. Frid now lives in New York and has a one man stage show. He has no 
desire to play Barnabas again. "I always thought I looked silly," he recently 
said. "I couldn't believe people were actually scared." 
    Mr. Curtis has the most impressive credentials of the original "Dark 
Shadows" alumna. He went on to create the massive miniseries "The Winds Of 
War" and "War and Remembrance."
    He has returned with the new "Dark Shadows". This time, however, he has $! 
million to spend on each hourlong episode, instead of the $95,000 a week he 
had back in the 1960s to produce five half-hour episodes.
    The new series is long on sex and long in the tooth. Massive sets, period 
costumes and horse drawn carriages give it a slick,expensive look.
    But the camp is still there, whether intentional or not. Even a big budget 
cannot buy authentic sounding French accents. And people are still 
time-traveling, although the notion of parallel time has yet to appear in the 
ne "Dark Shadows".
    Big ratings also have yet to materialize. Perhaps the"Dark Shadows" fan 
club should have a seance to resurrect old viewer numbers. Or make a voodoo 
doll in the likeness of NBC entertainment president Warren Littlefield. Maybe 
a little pin prick would persuade Mr. Littlefield to mode the series from the 
graveyard of Friday nights.

    thanks for entering the prior note.

    I just started reading Dark Shadow notes and my girlfriend, Cyndi, has
    the new Dark Shadow series all on tape.  I'm sure if you gave her your
    address she would mail you a copy.  She is at VAX mail
    WR2for::balzrette_ci.

    Does anyone happen to know if any station in the Boston area will ever
    re-run the old Dark Shadows again?  It's been about ten years since 
    they ran it here and the episodes are a bit pricy to buy in the stores.

    
    Block Buster Video rents them!  We rented a couple last week-end.  They
    go for $3.15 per movie which are on an average of 1 hour and 30 minutes.
    
    It's been A LOT of fun!

    FYI - I have started a Dark Shadows conference:
    
    		DREGS::DARK-SHADOWS
    
    	Dave Blickstein