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Note 12.254                          LOVING                           254 of 258
ROMCSA::FIASCHI                                      24 lines  14-MAR-1991 02:19
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    Hello,
    
    I am writing from Italy and looking and your notes it seems like here
    we are a long way behind.
    
    I started to watch Loving (in Italy is "Quando si ama") two months ago
    when I was sick and I liked it so much that I started recording the
    episodes because they show it at 2:30 p.m. when I am work.
    
    I have some questions about Alex. Can you tell me how he ended up being
    Clay and what really happened between him and Trucker on that summer in
    Maine.
    
    We are in Italy at the episode (yesterday) when Rick puts something in
    Stacey's tea and in the morning when the lady comes to see how she was
    doing with JJ she founds her sleeping... Trucker's sister arrives at 
    Alden's house ... Trucker is arrested for having puncked Clay/Alex 
    and so on..
    
    Can somebody explain something to me on the Alex/Clay story?
    
    Thanks so much and ciao
    
    Marinella

I will try this again.  Our system crashed in the middle and I don't know 
how to recover a note from decwindows yet. :^)

Alex and Clay were in prison together.  Clay told Alex that if anything ever
happened to him he wanted Alex to take care of his family.  When Alex thought
that the prison guards had killed Clay, he vowed to do to go to Clay's family.
Well, when he got out, he went back and pretended to *be* Clay.  The agency
told the family that he looked different because he was badly burned in an
accident and had to have reconstructive surgery.  They accepted Alex as Clay.
That is, until the real Clay showed up.

The show never really explained what made Alex decide to impersonate Clay.  
Could have been the money and power that came with being an Alden.  Alex grew
up poor and was always trying to get ahead.

Hope that covers your questions.  If anyone else can add anything, please do.

jo

    Jo and everybody else,
    
    thanks so much for your explanation: now things are getting a little
    less confused. 
    
    Yes, this show is getting very popular. They show it after Beautiful,
    but while Beautiful stays on only for somethings like 20 minutes,
    Loving stays on for almost one hour. 
    
    I see that Ava knows the real story, so did Clay/Alex knew her before?
    I know Alex was married with Egypte...
    
    Thanks again and have a nice day
    
    Marinella
    

    I have a question too,
    
    Where is Jack's REAL Mom?  I know that Dane's his real dad, and that he
    & Ann Alden  were married, but who was Ann married to when she adopted
    Jack, and *why* would she want to if it wasn't Dane she was married to?
    
    I get confused when I think about it.
    
    Mel

    I always thought that Ann was Jack's real mother?  Are you saying
    she isn't?  When Jack was adopted Ann was married to Roger Forbes.
    Jack always thought that Roger was his father.  Later on (when the
    show actually started) Roger had an affair with Merril Vochek and
    ended up leaving town.  I believe Roger is now dead.  There was
    a time when Alex (Randy Mantooth) was in trouble and needed Jack's
    help and sent a message saying his father was in trouble.  Jack
    didn't know what was going on.....
    
    my memory is a little fuzzy so I could be wrong about some of the
    facts.
    
    Kim
    

    I know that Ann is definitley NOT Jack's real mom.....But who is, and
    where is she?  Dane was married to her once.  The only Child Ann had
    was a daughter (her name escapes me), but she never let Jack forget the
    fact that he was the "black sheep" in the Alden family, and not a true
    Alden etc.
    
    Mel

    
    
    Lorna Forbes was Jack's sister and now she is often in commercials and
    small bits and piece parts here and there.  Lorna used to be in love
    with this terror named Jonathan and then his twin brother ... that was 
    a good story line.  I think Jonathan is dead now...
    
    Those were the good old days.

    I think that Ann really is Jack's mother.  I think that the story is
    that she and Dane had an affair way back.  Maybe we shoul write to SOD
    on this one.  Lorna always teased Jack about being adopted.  I loved
    Lorna.  She was so full of spit and vinegar and was always into
    something.  
    
    To answer your question Marinella, Ava figured out that Clay wasn't the
    real Clay and then confronted him on it.  She figured it because he had
    supposedly been injured while saving Curtis from falling out of a tree
    or something and was supposed to have a scar.  Clay [Alex] didn't have
    the scar.  Plus, he didn't know lots of intimate details of Curtis and
    Tricia's lives as kids.  She got suspicious and started really looking
    for info and then finally found it.
    
    Jo

    I know that Jack always called Ann, "Mother", but I also know that Ann
    was NOT really his mother.  I remember Dane even talking about his Real
    mother once, but her name esacpes me.  Dane when on to tell Jack the
    reason that he was adopted by whoever, Ann & Mr. Forbes or Dane &
    Ann???!!  But anyway, I wanted to know what happened to his real mom. 
    I think Dane said something about her being an alcoholic or having some
    mental problem or something?  So I take it Lorna was really Ann's
    daughter?
    
    mel

    Hello again,
    
    thanks for your info, but I have something else I need to ask.
    
    Which kind of document Clay/Alex has in the box in his bedroom that can
    help him in case someone says he is not the real Clay? I saw in one
    episode that Dale (the security man at Alden's) was looking throught
    all the house to find this paper. He is the only one besides Ava,
    Egypte to know the real identity of Clay. Why does he know?
    
    Thanks so much for helping me putting everything together.
    
    Ciao 
    
    Marinella
    

    Marinella,
    
    My memory of this part is really foggy.  I will have to give it some
    thought.  It may be that they never explained to us what the document
    was.  The Loving writers have been known to leave loose ends. :^)
    
    Jo

    
    I don't remember the paper in the box either..sorry!
    
    Also Anne was NOT Jacks real Mother.  Anne adopted him and told him he
    was the son for Forbes.  Jack did find out that Anne was not his mother
    and after that the Aldesn alwasy gave him greif for not being a real
    Alden..you still here this from time to time....I don't remember his
    real Mothe either...but she was an alcholic
    
    Lou

    Hello,
    
    yesterday they showed the episode of Stacey thinking she is pregnant 
    of Rich. How is Jack going to react? I just cannot stand Rich: he is so
    mean!!!
    
    Clay/Alex is still missing. When is the real Clay going to show up?
    Where is Alex now? 
    
    Well, bye for now ...
    
    Marinella
    

    
    RE: .13
    
    Jack gets upset about the new of the baby.  and your in for a good 
    court battle over JJ. so stay tuned
    
    Louisa

    Thanks Louisa,
    
    Jack and Stacey are my favourite characters. 
    
    How many months (years) are we behind in Italy? 
    For example, think that for Twin Peaks we are at episode 12 while in
    the States I believe you are at episode 23...
    
    Ciao
    
    Marinella
    

    
    I think you are about 1yr to a 1-1/2 behind us give your take a few
    months.  
    
    What Rick does to Stacy is terribile..but good
    
    Stacy is realy pregnent in real life then and now.
    
    Louisa

    Louisa,
    
    thanks. I still do not know what Rick does to her, but maybe in few
    days I will know. Yesterday she bought the pregnancy test....
    
    As you are so kind, maybe I can ask you something else.
    
    Yesterday Cabot introduced Rick to Curtis saying they are brothers. How
    comes? I saw that Trisha knows Curtis, and that they have memories
    together. Do you know this story?
    
    Thanks so much and I will try to keep my curiosity down for a while....
    
    Ciao
    
    Marinella
    

    
    you can ask all the question you want!  that's what we are here for!!
    
    Rick is Gwen and Clay's real son.  but Rick was conceved way before
    Caly and Gwen were married...she gave Rick up for adoption...she was
    affraid that Clay would think that she was trying to trap him..so she
    gave Rick up.  Then after along time..Rick appeard and Gewn and the 
    Aldesn accepted him.  So Curtis was not aware of his brother..so they
    just getting to know one another.
    
    I hope this helps!  Can't wait till you get to the cort battle
    
    Louisa

    
    Thanks for the info on Rick...
    
    It is not right that you make me so curious about Jack's battle!!!
    You just cannot imagine how curious I am. 
    
    As a matter of fact I always read the episode before I see Twin Peaks,
    so I know exactly what to expect. Maybe somebody thinks that it is
    better not knowing, but this is not my case as I like to know what will
    happen. 
    
    Sometimes the energy goes down and my recorded loses the setup: I hope
    I do not miss the court episode!!
    
    Ciao e grazie 
    (Bye and thanks)
    
    Marinella
    

    
    Well, since you put it that way...I'll give ya a sneek preview of what
    is to happen...
    
    Rick and Stacy get married!  Jack wants custody of JJ (he thinks Rick
    is a bad influence for him)  Rick does things to Stacy like drug her
    when the social service lady comes to see what JJ's home life is like
    and the house is a mess and Stacy is very much out of it...the Social
    service lady is very upset and she recommends that Jack get full
    custody of JJ....Rick does alot more horrible things to Stacy and
    finally she finds out what a slime he is... and Rick also gets shot to
    death and Stacy is blamed for the murder.. and there is a trial there
    to..and finaly Jack and Stacy get re-married....
    
    How is that for upcomming news?
    
    Louisa

    Also, Curtis and Trisha are brother and sister, so Rick is both of
    their brother.  That is why Curtis and Trisha have memories together.
    
    The stuff about the custody battle is great!  You will be really hooked
    in by it.  And the murder of Rick is good too.
    
    Jo

    Terrible!!!!
    
    I would never leave Jack for Rick!! I am really waiting for these
    things to happen. I just do not like Rick at all.
    I hope it will not take very long before this: you are in right I am
    really getting hooked by events. 
    I tought before that only "stupid" persons could get mixed up with soap
    opera and never watched Dallas or Dinasty or Beautiful, but I guess I
    was wrong.
    
    Yesterday the real Clay showed up at the court when Larry (right?) was
    going to be judged for his death.
    We see what happens next.
    
    Thanks again and never worry to tell me spoilers.
    
    Marinella
    

    
    Marniella, your more then welcome, Im glad we all can help.  this
    whole thing will take awhile to happen but it's worth it.  and don't
    worry in a year or so..jack and Stacy get re-married.  is Trucker
    Mckenzie in the show yet?  the one Trishia is married to?
    
    Louisa

    Yes Louisa,
    
    Trucker is working with Rick and he is dating Trisha. Right now he is
    helping Ava and Egypte to find Alex/Clay, but yesterday the real Clay
    showed up!!!!
    
    He is so mean.... I have always heard members of the family talking bad
    about him, but I couldn't imagine he was such a terrible person. 
    
    We see what happens next.
    
    When do you see Loving? Do you recoprd it or they show it when you are
    home?
    
    Ciao
    Marinella
    

    
    They show it at 12:30 in the afternoon.  I tape it everyday.  Trucker
    is really a nice person..Clay (the real one) framed him for all the
    stuff that happened in Maine meny years ago...Clay is the one who did
    the hit and run and blamed it on Trucker
    
    Louisa

    Yesterday we finally saw Alex again and it looked like he was injured
    in some kind of war. I do not not why but it seems to me to see
    RAMBO... Guess they do not know what to invent next!!!
    
    Ciao
    
    Marinella
    

    
    Hi Marinella,
    
    sorry I have not been in there lately, but I've been very busy!  Feel
    free to type to me directly on BONJVI::PIERCE or MASADA::PIERCE.  I
    can't allways get in here to type..
    
    Louisa ;-)

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    I know this was along time ago,but what was Trisha first 
    husbands name??? Was it Steve....And also how did he die??
    Debbie

    Steve Zowalski was Trisha's first husband.  He died in a bank robbery.
    The robbers shot him and then he later died at the hospital.  I am not
    sure if it was complications to the wound that did it or what.  I do
    remember that he was awake and coherent for a while in the hospital cuz
    he talked with Trisha and told her how much he loved her.
    
    Jo

    
    okay, Im confused....in the OLD conference I was blasted to saying
    that Clay Alden had drowned in a boating accident and Gwen was the
    one to blame for it....BUT
    
    in this months episodes..it clearly states that Steve Zowalski was
    conforting Trisha after she found out her farther had died in a 
    boating accidet!  so Im not brain dead!
    
    Loivng just screwed up a bit.
    
    Lou

    Now I am confused.  Clay is still alive, right?  How could he have died
    in a boating accident.
    
    During the time that Clay was being impersonated, he was supposedly
    killed in a prisoner-of-war camp (from his spy days).
    
    So, what is the scoop Lou?
    
    Jo

    
    Jo --> Clay is still alive (Clay Adlen and Alax Masters)
    
    Clay had died on the show - in a boating accident back years ago.
    (about 4 I think)  at the hand of Gwen.  We did'nt see him unitl
    about 2yrs later when Alax was impersanation him...then we found
    out that Alax was not Clay...but Alax was Alax and the real Clay
    was still alive....my question is...
    
    when did Clay join the angency?  What happend to him when he fell off
    the boat?  Did he wash ashore and get a job as a agent?  Why did'nt
    ever confrount Gwen w/ the the whole deal??????  Did loving think
    we would forget????
    
    Lou

    Oh, I suddenly remember.  Had a flash of Clay and Gwen walking around
    on a yacht!  She tried to push him overboard.  He was forcing himself
    on her or something and they had both been drinking.
    
    I think that may have been before the agency.  He probably figured that
    Gwen would be charged with his murder and so dropped out of sight and
    went to the agency for adventure.  He was a wild guy back then.
    
    I guess when Alex came to town as Clay, the agency people explained to
    the Alden's that Clay had been disfigured in an accident and that was
    why he didn't look the same.  Alex thought Clay was dead in the prison. 
    
    It is all coming back to me now.
    
    Jo

    
    Jo --> Yes, Alax thought Clay was dead tooo, but he was not.  and Alax
    made up the story of Clay being dis-figured so the could pass as Clay
    since he did'nt look athing like Clay...
    
    but I was really watching back then...(when am I not :-0) and they
    never really explained how Clay got from the boat to the prison..
    and he NEVER brought it up to Gwen...that gets me mad!  I to can
    pitcher the night, they were drinking on the boat...
    
    do you remember why she wanted him dead??
    
    Lou

    I think that he brought it up during that time when Trucker was telling
    everyone that Clay set him up, and that Clay was really the one that
    did the hit and run.  Gwen had gone to Clay and told him to leave
    Trucker and Trisha alone, cuz Trisha would never forgive him if he hurt
    Trucker.  They argued about the past.  And he said something about her
    pushing him overboard and leaving him for dead.
    
    I think that they were drinking and fighting, and he tried to force
    himself on her sexually, so she pushed him and he lost his balance and
    fell over, and she never told the captain of the boat to stop and look
    for him.  I get this picture in my mind of her in a skin tight gold
    gown with spaghetti straps, and one strap is broken and the dress is
    kind of ripped.  
    
    When Alex came back posing as Clay, he had some agency men go with him
    and they talked to the Alden's first and explained about the "accident"
    and disfigurement, and his "plastic surgery" to correct it.  That is
    how the Alden's came to accept Alex as Clay...government types were
    vouching for him.  (just goes to show you how much you can trust
    government types. :^})
    
    Jo

    Does anyone remember when "Clay" (it was really Alex but we didn't know
    that at the time/neither did Gwyn) came back to town and Gwyn was
    trying to get friendly with him and he was making all these comments
    about boating accidents and people who have affairs and stuff.  She
    almost died when she found out it was Clay.
    
    /red

I stopped watching Loving awhile back (in college).  Now, I just keep up with 
it in notes.  Can somebody please refresh my memory about Carly and her son
and what happened?   

Thanks in advance

    We just learned about Carly and her son in the last year or so. 
    
    Carly got pregnant by Paul when she was a senior in high school.  She
    ran off and had the baby by herself.  The baby got sick and was crying
    all the time and she didn't know what to do and it was driving her
    nuts.  One afternoon she got so mad she almost hurt the baby.  So, out
    of fear of killing her son she left him on the steps of a convent.
    
    Then she got involved with that dictator from San Felippe, and ran back
    to Corinth after faking her death to get the dictator off her back. 
    She had witnessed him killing someone and he was trying kill her.
    
    Then she came back to Corinth and found that her one true love, Paul,
    was engaged to her sister Ava.  They had never been close sisters as
    kids and the problems got even worse.
    
    Later, Carly told everyone that she ran away to have an abortion.  They
    all believed her until she had Clay get a PI to start looking for
    Michael. One day a nun from the convent called to talk to Carly and got
    Ava instead.  She told her that her cousin had taken the baby and that
    he was happy.  Ava met with the nun, pretending to be Carly.
    
    Ava never told anyone about it because she didn't want Paul to find out
    he had a child with Carly.  Ava was afraid that Paul would leave Ava
    for Carly if he knew he had a child with Carly.
    
    I think that is about it.
    
    Jo

PEOPLE

Kate Rescott Slavinski (sp)  - Kate has 8 childern (we only get to see 2 of
them and here about the rest)  She runs a boarding house and a pie shope

Louie Slavinski - he is married to Kate. they have been marreid 1hr.  Louie
was her garbarge man.

Paul Salavinski - Louie's son from his first wife who is dead.  Paul was
a mobster.  He tried to go straight for Ava.  Anther mobster doubble crossed
him and set up him to think he was going straight but he was really runing
guns and Pual ended up in a fire and  he got paralized

Ava Rescott Forbes Alden Alden Masters - she is like a Erica but prettier!
Ava loves $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and has married for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$, until now.
she is in love w/ Pual.  Ava has a son named Cabot Alaxender Masters or
Sandy as they call him. There is toooooo much aboout AVa to tell it all
but this woman has a past!!  Sandy is from one of her marriges to Alax
Masters who live far way (sorry can't remember where they live at the 
moment) Ava is also daughter to Kate

Carly Rescott - is Kates daughete..she had a thinkg w/ Pual back in high
school and she had his baby...she was also marreid to Clay Alden.

Stacy Forbes - married to Jack for the 2nd time.  there first marrige
broke up due to a fling w/ an old girl friend.  They have 1 child JJ together
and Stacy has a daughter Heather from her 2nd hubby before Jack..so total
Stacy has been married 3 times..but twice to Jack

Jack Forbes - is Anne Aldens and Dane Hammond's child.  but he was raised as
a Alden and he has inherated all the Aldeln $$$$$$$ since is grandfarther Cabot
died...and jack and Stacy live in the Alden mansion

Gwenn Alden - she was married to Clay Alden and works at Alden Enterprise
Mother of Trisha

Clay Alden - son of Cabot and Isabell Adlen, Clay went to CA

Cabot Alden - Died

Isabell - moved in with Anne her daughter and is off the show

Trisha Alden Mackenzie - She is daughter of Clay and Gwen and married to
Trucker. her first hubby died and her second is in a mental hospital she
runs AE's art gallary and is preggers

Trucker Mackenzie - married to Trisha Alden..HATES $$$$$ and would like to
live in the woods.  Trisha used to hate $$$$ but has changed.  they are
living in Jack and Stacy's old home..T&T own a cabin in the woods where
they lived for along time.

	I will input more later.

    Lou-->  Can you answer one quick question that I have.  Which
    character is married to Trevor Dillon from AMC.  I can't 
    remember her real name, do you know who I am talking about?!?!?
    
    Does anyone know, if she doesn't know.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Tracey
    
    

    Hi tracey,
    
    Shana is married to Trevor in real life. She hasn't been on the show
    alot lately but is illeg. daughter of Cabot alden.
    
    She wants to get control of alden enterprises back.  jack is no the
    ceo.
    
    mary

    Mary-->  Thank you for the answer on Shana. 
    
    I hope you guys are patient, cause if I watch I am gonna
    want to know. *^) *^)
    
    Bonnie-->  Happy Friday to you also. *^) *^)
    
    Thanks again guys for the help so far. *^) *^)
    
    Tracey
    

    Lou:
    
    ?'s:
    
    Kate has been married to her husband for 1 hr?  
    
    Did she just get married?  
    
    Is her husband the one that used to be the mailman?
    
    Does Ava have a child?  by the real Alex or the fake?
    
    Did Kate have cancer?  was she cured?
    
    What happened to Egypt?  Is she off the show?
    
    
    Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!
    
    Jackie
    

RE: .44

Kate and Louie have been married for about a year.  Louie was her trash man.
They met when Kate had cancer.  One real touching scene was when he walked in
and Kate didn't have her wig on when she was going through chemo.  Louie was
really great with her!  

Ava has a son Sandy.  He is living out of town with Alex and Egypt and thier
daughter Alexis.

Debbi

    Debbi:
    
    Thanks so much!  But as we all know one queston leads to another, so
    here goes:  Did Alex and Egypt get married?  How could Ava have given
    him up?  Weren't the two of them REALLY tight?
    
    
    Jackie
    

    Alex left Ava and married Egypt after Egypt got pregnant and had
    complications.  Her life was in danger and they all thought she was
    going to die.  She didn't, and Alex decided to try and work it out with
    her rather than divorcing her.
    
    Ava did something that made Alex leave her but I can't remember what it
    was right now.  She lied to him about something.
    
    Ava's kid is from Alex, he was still masquarading as Clay when the baby
    was born.  That's why they named him Cabot Alexander.  They were the
    only two that knew that he was really Alex Masters.  Initially the
    baby's last name was Alden.
    
    Jo

    Jo:
    
    
    
    MANY, many thanks!
    
    This does seem like a really friendly file...I think I'm gonna like it
    here!
    
    Jackie

    Just curious... why is Sandy with Alex and not his mother?
    
    Marie

    Sandy was sent to stay with Alex when Paul got hurt in the explosion. 
    Ava was doing all that she could to keep Paul going, help him through
    learning of his paralysis.  She was under a lot of stress, so she sent
    Sandy to stay with Alex for a short time.  Once Paul was all better,
    Sandy had been with Alex for months and was already enrolled in school
    there.  They decided to leave him there rather than uproot him again.
    
    Ava was going to try to bring Sandy back again a while ago. To
    counteract the Carly and her son thing.  She figured that if she made
    she, Paul, and Sandy a family he would be less likely to leave her for
    Carly and their son.
    
    Jo

    I watched Loving last night and I have some questions......
    Who is Carly to Paul, why does Ava want to marry Paul so 
    quickly?????  That poor guy didn't even know he was going
    to a Wedding, did he?!?!?!?
    
    Is Stacey and Jack still married????  They did seem like
    they may have been through some rough times.  Trucker
    likes that girl (I think he name is Dinah Lee), but is
    still married to Trisha.  Is that right?????
    
    Well I think I got some of this soap down, can you tell
    me if I got what I think I saw right?!?!? *^) *^)  Boy
    am I confused I hope this all makes sense. *^)
    
    Thanks guys!!!!
    
    Tracey
                   

    Tracey,
    
    Carly is Ava's sister who years ago had an affair with Paul (when they
    were in high school)  Carly got pregnant and Paul gave her the money
    for an abortion.  She went to Florida had the baby (Michael)and then
    ended up leaving him on the steps of a church.
    
    Ava met Paul a couple of years ago, (Carly joined the show recently, we
    have learned about their history thru reminiscing)  Ava thought Paul
    was an insurance salesman and just had a "pal" relationship with him. 
    She was still hung up on Alex at the time.  Then things changed between
    them. 
    
    Ava stumbled onto the truth about Michael and kept what she knew from
    both Carly and Paul.  Now she wants Paul to marry her quickly so that
    when the truth comes out, she'll feel more secure.  Why she doesn't
    just tell Paul the truth now is beyond me, but just like Ava.
    
    /red

    /red-->  Thanks for the info., but got another question.....
    
    Is Michael Ava's or Carly's.  Why would Ava tell Paul about
    Michael if it is Carly's ?!?!?!?  Does Michael not know that
    Carly ended up having his baby and Ava does know?!?!?
    
    
    Tracey
    
    

    Michael is Carly and Paul's son.  Paul still thinks that Carly had an
    abortion 10 years ago.
    
    Ava hasn't/won't tell Paul about Michael cause she thinks that will
    jeoperdize her relationship with Paul.  When Carly came into town she
    was back after Paul and Ava had a hard time handling that.  Now that
    Paul is paralized and doesn't know if he can father a child, he told
    Carly that he's really sorry they didn't have that child together.  Ava
    overheard this and thinks that if Michael surfaces, he, Paul and Carly,
    will be come the happy little family.
    
    /red
    
    p.s.  Yes, Jack and Stacey are married, but going thru a rough time
    right now.
    
    Trucker is getting hot for Dinah Lee, but according to some magazine I
    read Jeremy is going to have a storyline with Jeremy.

    /red-->  Thanks I got it straight now.  I at least am for now. *^)
    
    Thanks again.
    
    
    Tracey
    

    I'm sure /red meant that Dinah lee was going to have an involvement w/
    jeremy. Gee, DC--->I'm surprised you didn't jump on that one like she
    does to you!! ;^)
    
    I can't see DL w/ Jerm. What do you think will happen between Tricia &
    Trucker? I hope they stay together. Maybe they'll come back togehter
    when the baby is born & realize how important family & love is once
    iagain..... aaah yes...and then they rode off into the sunset to live
    happily ever after!
    
    Well, I gotta run!
    
    BTW Tracey, does your last name rhyme w/ your node name??! Is that how
    it's pronounced? Just currious....
    
    Bonnie

    Bon-->  My last name is my node name and it pronounced how the
    Sh sounds then add alks, does that make sense?!?!?!?  I hope I
    answered that correctly.  
    
    Hey do you not want Jerm to get together with Tricia???? I 
    think from what I saw of they would make a great couple.
    Do you just want Tricia and Trucker to stay together cause
    of the baby?!?!?
    
    I like that Ava character she does remind me of Erica, but I
    have to say that Erica has the EXCITEMENT in her that Ava 
    does not seem to project.  This is just IMO. *^)  Ava seems
    like she has the thoughts of Erica, but the action is not
    in her or the glamour as Erica has. *^) *^)  I will have
    to watch some more, it seems like a good soap opera.
    
    BTW, stop scaring me Bon you mean I only have less than
    7 weeks until Christmas!!!!! I am going to start this
    weekend shopping already. *^)  I can't believe the HOLIDAYS
    are here. *^)
    
    
    Tracey
                             

    /red:
    
    Who is Matt and oh, gosh I forgot his girlfriend's name?  Who is his
    step dad and what did he do?
    
    
    Jackie
    

    Another thing........
    
    
    Yesterday there was a gal on who was married to Jack.  I seem to
    remember the couple, but is the person playing Jack new?  The character
    of Jack was talking to trucker yesterday while his wife was listening
    at the door right?
    
    
    Jackie

    Jackie:
    
    Matt Ford and Ally Rescott.......his stepfather is the Reverend Ford
    and he was sexually assualting the girls in the church.  He rape one
    and Matt caught him, so the Reverend told everyone it was Matt who did
    it.  The girl who wass raped was Wendy and she became catatonic
    during/since the incident.  So there was no one to prove Matt innocent.
    
    /red
    
    p.s. this was all pretty recent and we weren't a very active file back
    then, so if you have a chance and would like more details you can skim
    through some earlier notes.

    Yes, that is a new Jack who was talking to Trucker.  That was the
    original (the only one of the original cast left) Stacey.
    
    and another thing....Ally is the granddaughter of Kate, niece of Ava
    and Carly.  She came to stay with Kate for the summer because her
    parents (Bonnie and John) are having problems and have since decided to
    divorce.  Ally decided to stay at Kate's cause she's upset with her
    parents decision.
    
    /red

    /red:
    
    Thanks for the info, and why didn't I think to go back and read this
    file?  I just looked and there is only 60 replys.  Guess I was
    thinking of AMC where there are 100's.
    
    By for now, ...........I'll be reading the History file for lunch!
    
    
    Jackie

    Stacy isn't the only one of the original cast that is left.  Tricia is
    still there, so is Kate.  Shana is the original even though she isn't
    on much right now.
    
    Jo

    JO-->  Trisha is the original Trisha but she was not with the show when
    the show originally started.  She just got introduced a few years ago. 
    Same with Shana.  Dane went off in search of her to get to Cabot.  I'll
    have to think about Kate.
    
    /red

    Tricia was a character at the beginning.  So was her brother Curtis. 
    They were teenagers and living at the Alden mansion.  Shana was
    introduced later as the illegitimate daughter of Cabot Alden.
    
    Kate and her clan were there too.  They lived on the other side of the
    tracks, in the town that Dane came from...Milltown.
    
    In addition to Tricia and Curtis, their cousins Lorna and Jack were
    there in the beginning.
    
    Jo

    Gosh I am so confused.............!
    
    Either I have a mental block on LOVING or something!  In the Loving
    file someone said that Michael had made his appearance fon Nov 7,...
    Carly was in a bar with his mom, Shanna is looking for her,......
    
    What's going on?  Do they or do they not know where Michael is, why
    don't/didn't they follow his mom?
    
    PLEASE HELP.............!!!!!!!!!
    
    Jackie  %^)
    

    Jackie-->  I am probably not the one that should be answering this.....
    but Ruth (Michael's adopted mom) said that she couldn't afford to
    keep Michael, so he was staying with someone for now.  I think
    that is why Ruth didn't know Michael had been around there in
    Corinth. (if that was the little boy in the radio station)
    
    Shana did not want to be seen because if Ruth finds out that
    Carly has hired someone to find Michael then she will not
    cooperate and lead her to Michael.  
    
    In a sense Shana and Carly have no idea and Ruth really doesn't
    even know where Michael is right now ither.  She sure seems 
    like she could care less about anything, but ALCOHOL!!!! *^)
    
    That is why when Shana arrived in the bar when Ruth was leaving
    she did not want to go after her because that would drive her
    away for good and they would not see her again. 
    
    I hope that helps alittle.  Even though I probably don't know
    enought to be typing this, I hope it was right. *^)
    
    Someone please let me know if I made any errors in explaining
    this. *^)
    
    
    Tracey
    
             

    
    
    Tracey:
    
    That makes sense!  I was sooooooo confused.......I knew Ruth was his
    mom but didn't know why she didn't know he was in the same town as her!
    
    Thanks for clearing that up.  As you can see, if you hand't, no one
    would have today!
    
    Maybe with no one noting that means that business is going REALLY
    STRONG.............do'ya think?  tee hee
    
    
    Jackie
    

    
    SOD stated that Michael made is fist appearene on Nov 7th this is why
    we all think the little boy w/ Holly is Michael.
    
    Lou

    
    Gwen & Trisha have had there ups an downs...MOSTLY downs!  Gwen has
    tried to run Trishas life from the beginning.  They did'nt speak
    to each other for about 1hr after T found out about Gwen sleeping w/
    Jeff...then they made up.. then T found out about Gwen sleeping w/
    Trucker years ago..they did'nt speek..then they made up again.
    
    Then They did'nt speak again for a very long time.  (and I can't
    remember why)  HELP!  I think it was becasue of Trisha adopting
    Abrils baby (witch was he farthers child) ?????
    
    Lou

    Lou --> Glad I can finally put a face with the name 8*),  It was
    Trisha's losing her baby that brought her and Gwen back together.  Gwen
    was on Trisha's side when Trisha wanted to adopt Abril's baby.
    
    /red

Tracey, I'll attempt to answer your questions.......

Bethel is Matt's mother.  She married the Preacher when she was 
pregnant with Matt cuz the real father took off (we have no idea who 
he is and of course this is an opening for a storyline in the future.  
All we know is that he's supposedly a hippy type from the 60's even 
though this doesn't make sense cuz of Matt's age....but this is a soap)
Matt didn't want to live with Bethel cuz she still supported the 
Preacher and believes he's sorry for what he did.  She's a reall sap!  

Isabelle and Cabot Alden are the beginning of the family tree of the 
Loving family.  Cabot died a while ago and Isabelle left the show to 
live with their daughter Anne who used to be on the show.  Isabelle
recently came back but a different actress and a totally new 
personality.  If my memory serves me correctly, Isabelle and Cabot 
have two children, Anne and Clay.  Then Cabot has an illigitamate 
daughter Shana.

Clay married Gwen and they had three children.......Rick, Curtis, and 
Trisha.  Rick was the firstborn and Gwen gave him up as a baby.  
Someone help me here, I'm not sure of the reasons........I think it's 
cuz her and Clay weren't married yet and she didn't want to upset the 
Alden family.  Rick later came back into their lives.  Sideline story........

	Rick married Stacy when her and Jack were having problems cuz 
he slept with an old girlfriend, Lili.  Rick was obsessed with Stacy 
and tried to control her.....even drugged her.  They had a child 
together, Heather.  Rick turned real bad, got involved with shady 
characters, and ended up getting murdered.   This was a good murder 
mystery on Loving.  With him dead, Stacy and Jack got back together.  
(Lili had moved out of town.)

I'm really shaky on Curtis' background cuz I didn't watch it when he 
was first on the show.  History experts, please correct me if I'm 
wrong.  Curtis first married Ava.  Then he married Lotty, the love of 
his life.  She died.  He was off the show for a while then came back...
much younger and hung around with the teenage crowd....only in a soap!
He has since left and joined the service or something.

So, Trisha is the only child left on Loving that is a child of Gwen 
and Clay.  Clay has moved to california.  Short history on Trisha...

	First love, Steve..........long storyline of their lovelife.  
he eventually got shot in a bankrobbery and died.  She then met and 
fell in love with Jeff who Gwen also loved and slept with him while 
Trisha was engaged to him.  Meantime, Trisha met Trucker in the woods 
and fell in love with  him.  She married Jeff anyway cuz he was 
obsessed with her and tricked her into going to Europe with her.  This 
was a dragged out story where you were routing for Trisha and Trucker 
to get together which they finally did.  Jeff is off in a mental 
institution somewhere.  Sideline of Trucker........

	Trucker was first the limo driver for the Aldens in Maine.  We 
only know this story through people talking about it.  Trisha was just 
a young teenager at this time.  Clay and Gwen got in a fight one night 
and Clay took off drunk.  Gwen seduced Trucker and they slept together 
while Clay was off getting himself involved in a hit-and-run accident. 
He thought he had killed someone but didn't want to go to prison so 
paid off Trucker to take the blame for him since he had slept with his 
wife.  Trucker went to prison for years and used the money he got from 
Clay to save his sister's (Rocky) life.  Later it was found out that 
Clay didn't even kill the guy afterall, it was a cop, so Clay paid off 
Trucker for nothing!

Isabelle's other child, Anne, had two children.....Lorna and Jack.  
Lorna isn't on the show anymore.  I don't know what happened to her.  
It think she's dead.  Anne has moved out of town.  She came back once 
just for Trisha and Trucker's wedding.

Then there's Shana who was Cabot's daughter through and affair.  Cabot 
knew she existed and sent money to the mother in Europe.  She was 
brought to town by Dane Hammond (who happens to be Jack's real father).
He was trying to get even with the Alden's but it backfired cuz Cabot 
and Isabelle accepted Shana into the family.  Shana was always a nice 
person, fell in love with a priest.  There was a long love story there.  
They finally got married and  had a son.  Both her husband and son died 
in a plane crash.  Shana turned mean when Cabot died and she thought 
he didn't leave anything to her in his will cuz Clay hid that part of 
the tape (it was a video will) from everyone.  Finally, one day, Carly 
saw that part of the tape, realized what a jerk Clay was, divorced 
Clay and showed the tape to Shana.  Hence, Carly's and Shana's 
friendship.

Sooooooooo, after all that typing, I guess the real answer to your 
question as far as the people who are still on the show and how they 
are related to Isabelle are:

     Trisha   ---   Granddaughter   (who ALWAYS called her grandmother!)	
     Trucker  ---   Grandson-in-law
     Jack     ---   Grandson
     Stacy    ---   Granddaughter-in-law
     JJ       ---   Great-Grandson  (he's about 6 yrs old)
     Heather  ---   Great-Granddaugter  (she's about 2 yrs old)
     Gwen     ---   Daughter-in-law
     Shana    ---   Sort of a Step Daughter
     Ava      ---   Ex-Daughter-in-law; Ex-Granddaughter-in-law 
                        (She was married to Jack, Curtis, and Clay)
     Carly    ----  Ex-Daughter-in-law  (but Isabelle wasn't on the 
                          show when Carly was married to Clay.....don't 
	                  even know if she ever met Carly!)

Hope that covers it!!  Boy, I guess I went into way more depth than 
you asked.  Hope I didn't give you too much information!!!  If it's 
too confusing, let me know!  I also hope I have all my facts straight.

Linda

    Linda-->  Thanks for all of your info. I appreciate it all
    and it is confusing, but I do understand once I read it
    a couple of times.  Boy Isabel has quite the family. *^)
    
    Without Isabel there would be no people on Loving.  Your info.
    did help me though. *^)  Thanks again.
    
    
    Tracey
    
    

    Great memory Linda, the only thing is Lorna isn't dead (and for those
    wondering is on Dear John, the one with the southern accent), she's
    married to an attorney and has a step-daughter named Kelly.
    
    /red

    You're welcome.  Glad I could help and it was fun trying to remember
    all that stuff.
    
    Thanks for your correction on Lorna, /red.  I didn't watch it when she
    was on so I really don't know much about her.  Wonder if they'll ever
    decide to bring back that character?  Where is she supposed to be on
    the show?  When you said:
    
    "She's married to an attorney and has a step-daughter named Kelly"
    
    Did you mean on Loving or on Dear John??  I watch Dear John sometimes
    so I'm pretty sure I know who you mean.  But if she's on that show,
    then she must be either separated or divorced.  So, I guess you meant
    that she's married to an attorney on Loving.....Gee, did I just answer
    my own question?!?  
    
    Thanks!
    
    Linda

    Lorna married the attorney that got her out of prison after she was
    falsely imprisoned for killing her fiance's wife.  Now *that* was a
    great storyline!!  Do any of you remember Linc?  Wow!
    
    Lorna used to be the Amourelle model.  She was a great character, a
    total snob, the complete opposite of Tricia when they were growing up. 
    She was like a rich Ava. :')  She used to rub it in Jack's face that
    she was the real child and he was the "adopted" one. What a witch!  But
    I loved her.
    
    Jo

    In answer to Tracey's question "Who was Tricia w/ before Trucker?"
    
    One of you historians will have to fill in the details, and I'll tell 
    what I can remember.
    
    Tricia was w/ someone before Jeff wasn't she?
    
    Anyway, Tricia was in love w/ Jeff hartman. They were going to be
    married. He was faking being confined to a wheelchair, and was eiither
    taking too much or not taking at all, his medication. He started to 
    get psychotic, and ended up kidnapping her from Trucker, making her
    wear this gothic wedding gown, forcing her to say things he wanted to 
    hear, etc. I forget a lot of the details, but Eventually Trucker
    rescued his damsel, and Jeff was carted away to jail or the looney bin.
    
    More details please...
    
    Bonnie

    
    Trisha was married to Steve Solwaski (sp).  he was her 1st love.  He
    worked in a garage, his farther was Harry Solwski Kate's brother. 
    Steve and Trisha went throught hell w/ her family to be together but
    they made it.  But one day Steve and Stacy were in a bank and there was
    a hold up and Steve died saving Stacy.  It was horrible, we really felt
    for Trisha then..she was sooo much in love and Steve was a cute.
    
    I *think* she meet Trucker first (before Jeff) Trcuker meat her on a
    dark road and they used ot meet at a gazebo (sp) at night and he gave
    her a hollowed out acorn for a ring..then Jeff entered the
    pitcher..Jeff was seeing Gwen but Jeff fell in love w/ Gwens Daughter
    Trisha..Jeff was only staying w/ Gwen to be close to Trisha
    
    GWen found out and was very mad...and after Jeff got hurt he had no
    will to surrive unless he had Trisha..so Gwen told TRisha to marry him
    and make him happy...Gwen loved him so much that if having Trisha would
    make him better then so be it.
    
    Trisha marreid Jeff but never stoped loving TRucker...
    
    Lou

    Thanks Bon and Lou, but one more question......
    
    What is the thing with Clay and Tricia then?!?!?!?  Why does
    it seem like Tricia and he don't see eye to eye or something
    is peculiar about them.
    
    Was Clay and Gwen married, or is Tricia from someone else,
    boy am I confused.
    
    
    Tracey
    
    
    

    
    Gwen and Clay were married and Trishia is there daughter!
    
    Clay was a very underhanded dirty sly person (nothing like the new
    clay)  Trisha was going to adopt Abrils son.  Clay and Abril had a 1
    night stand and Abrils son was Clays (noone bu Abril knew this) but she
    still wanted Trisha to have him.  Clay found out about his son and due
    to a loop-hole in Cabots will..Clay stood every chance of getting
    everything if he could prove he had a son...so we went for custody of
    Tommy (the son) and he tried to get him away from Trisha  is own
    daughter!  but Abril step up and took Tommy back.
    
    Lou

    If I remember correctly, here is the immediate Alden family Tree:
    
    Cabot and Isabelle 
    
    Clay-son of Cabot and Isabelle
    Ann-Daughter
    Shana-illegitimate daughter of Cabot
    
    Rick(dead), Curtis (away) and Trisha-Children of Clay and Gwyn
    Tommy(did they keep that name for him??)-son of Clay and Abril
    Jack Forbes-Son of Ann and Dane Hammond
    
    Now, isn't Lorna Jack's sister too??
    
    Cheryl
    

    Lorna is the daughter of Ann and her husband Roger Forbes.  Jack was
    adopted by Ann and Roger Forbes and didn't find out until much later
    that he was Dane's son.
    
    Tricia was dating Jeff and engaged to him before she met Trucker.  Jeff
    was sleeping with Gwen, and Gwen blackmailed him into leaving Tricia. 
    She had a tape of them in bed together, and she threatened to show it
    to Tricia if he didn't break off their engagement.  He was in love with
    her, but broke it off because of the blackmail.  Tricia got very upset,
    ran out of the room, and ran into the street, where she was almost hit
    by Trucker in his car.  He helped her to a park bench and they talked. 
    Then they started getting close.  Jeff still wanted Tricia back.
    
    Tricia and Trucker started having some problems, and Jeff convinced
    Tricia to go with him to Rome.  In Rome, he convinced her to marry him
    in a gothic ceremony.  Trucker arrived in Rome just after the wedding,
    and he and Jeff got into a sword fight. Jeff fell off a balcony and was
    paralyzed and confined to a wheelchair.  The doctors told Tricia that
    she was his only will to live and that she must stay by his side.  So,
    she did not divorce him, she stayed married to him even though she and
    Trucker were in love.
    
    Later, Jeff was improving with the help of some medication.  Tricia
    decided to leave him, so he kidnapped her and held her hostage in what
    she thought was an apartment in Rome, but it was really an apartment in
    the next town.  He was very clever, had tape recorders playing street
    sounds from Rome, etc.  He had a housekeeper to make sure Tricia didnt'
    get away, and he kept her drugged most of the time.  Trucker and Jack
    ended up saving Tricia (with Stacy's detective help) and Jeff went to a
    mental hospital.  He was catatonic at that point.
    
    Jo

    
    There was one more man in Tricia's life. I think he would fit in after
    Steve and before Jeff. He was the guy at the casino that had her
    drinking all the time and taking drugs. I don't remember her name or
    much of the storyline, but I know she lived with him at the casino
    and when she finally wised up and realized he was no good and she tried
    to get away and kept pumping drugs (Heroin???) into her. That's all I
    can remember.
    
    Patty

    That man was Nick.  I can't remember his last name, I think it was
    something Italian.  She got involved with him after Steve married
    Cecilia.  She moved into the casino with Nick and he would dress her up
    in sexy outfits and have her greet the big spenders.  She started
    making noises about going back home, so he started drugging her.  He
    held her hostage there.  He ended up dead and there was this big who
    dunit storyline.  Steve was the main suspect, but Kate's brother Harry
    was also a suspect.  I can't remember who the other suspects were, but
    when it started looking like Steve would go to prison for the murder, I
    think he and Tricia ran off to Montreal, and while they were gone Cabot
    admitted to the killing.  I think that he got off for some reason (self
    defense?).  Steve and Tricia came  back and got married, and then later
    Steve was killed in the bank robbery.
    
    I remember watching the day that Steve died.  He was in the hospital
    and he told Tricia that he loved her and then he closed his eyes and
    said he was tired.  The next thing you know, his cardiac monitor goes
    straight line and Tricia is screaming for help.  It was really
    terrible.  I remember thinking "no way, he can't die!"  It was such a
    shock.
    
    Jo

    Jo, you summed it up nicely.  His name was Nick Dinados (sp).
    
    /red

    
    
    	I have a question for anyone that can answer...
    
    	I was reading a magazine last nite and it had a thing on Luke
    	Perry from 90210...anyways...it said that his first acting break
    	was on Loving...does anyone know who he played?  I can't remember
    	him on here...(Cheryl...you must know, you remember everything!)
    
    	This should probably go in the History, but I figured no one reads
    	that, so I'll put it here...
    	
    	I also have some to add to Cooper and Selena...when she said she
    	was trying to forget what happened, he said, yea, so am I, but I
    	can't forget what happened...they are not telling us what is it
    	yet...
    
    	Alexis

    ALEXIS  -->  Luke Perry played darn, I drawing a blank on names, he was
    the brother of the woman who was in jail with Lorna.  She also went on
    to marry Curtis and later when Curtis died they said that this woman
    had died.  Okay it hit me....his name was Ned Bates and he dated April
    Hathaway who either was a prositute at night (might be thinking of the
    movie "Angel") or her stepfather wouldn't let her out.
    
    /red

    /red,
    
    To continue the discussion of the Clay overboard storyline, I remember
    that the two of them (Clay and Gwen) were drinking and argueing that
    night.  I think that they scuffled and he went overboard, or she
    pushed him and then tried to make it seem like an accident.  I do
    remember she was wearing a slinky gold evening gown and it was ripped
    when the police showed up.  Seems that later, when he came back and she
    was trying to seduce him, that he said something like "yeah Gwenny,
    after you tried to kill me by pushing me overboard" or something like
    that.  Of course, at that time (when he said that) he was really Alex
    Masters posing as Clay, but none of us knew it, not even Gwen.
    
    How do you remember it?  I like trying to remember old stuff like this,
    but sometimes my mind gets foggy.
    
    Jo
    
    PS - I am doing as best I can.  I just found out I may be back to work 
    sooner than expected.

    Jo--
    
    My mind is VERY fuzzy on this, probably because I don't think I was
    even watching the show then.  I do remember when Clay/Alex came back
    but nobody knew it was him because of the "plastic surgery (never mind
    the change in hair color and the differance in size)", and he was
    cozying up to Gwen and just before the scene got to hot he started
    talking about leaving him out there to die and about all her affairs.
    
    How did he become a secret agent????  I do remember Alex and Clay
    talking about being in prison camp together and that's when they shared
    life stories which enabled Alex to assume Clay's identity.
    
    /red

    He became a secret agent after Gwen pushed him off the yacht and left
    him for dead.  I guess he swam to the shore and then took off in the
    secret service or CIA or something since he figured that if Gwen knew
    he was alive she would just try to finish the job or something.  The
    whole Gwen/Clay story is weird, first they love each other, then hate
    each other, try to kill each other, etc., then they love each other
    again.  Or at least Gwen loves Clay.
    
    Jo

    Can anyone tell me how many husbands Ava has had????
    
    lw
    

    Ava first married Jack, then his cousin Curtis and then Clay who was
    really Alex Masters, then she was engaged to the real Clay and then she
    was engaged to Paul and now she's kinda engaged to Leo.
    
    /red