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1452.0. "Bolero" by LESLIE::LESLIE (Andy ��� Leslie. VMS CSSE Europe) Thu Dec 29 1988 13:57

    
    Hmmm. Been looking at CD's of Ravel today. Specifically recordings of
    Bolero. The Deutsche Gramafonnen version, with a Montreal Orchestra is
    17 minutes long, whilst the shortest was less than 12 minutes.
    
    So, could anyone give recommendations - and by the way, how long *is*
    Bolero meant to be?
    
    Thanks
    
    Andy
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1452.1Ravel Conducting the "Bolero"DEBNA::TRUSLOWThu Dec 29 1988 14:367
    I can't tell you exactly how many minutes and seconds the one perfect
    performance of the "Bolero" is, but a few weeks ago I read a review
    of a new CD that Polygram has just released with Ravel himself
    conducting it. The review (I think it was in "Stereophile") mentioned
    that the tempo was one of the most striking features of the performance
    -- the other (alas) being the abyssmal quality of the sound.
    
1452.2LESLIE::LESLIEAndy ��� Leslie. VMS CSSE EuropeThu Dec 29 1988 15:161
Frankly, I'll sacrifice Ravels conducting for a good quality recording.
1452.3COOKIE::ROLLOWThe thing dreams are made of.Thu Dec 29 1988 18:1123
	I'm making this guess from very poor memory, but I think the
	"typical" Bolero is around 14 minutes.  A little bit either
	side can still be good, but 12 minutes sounds much too fast
	and 17 probably sounds like a dirge.

	Of those that I have on CD the best that comes to mind is:

		Mobile Fidelity MFCD 1-802 (C)

	I haven't listened to the five I have recently enough to
	really compare.  The others are:

		DG 400.061-2 (C)
                Philips 410.047-2 (C)
                Telarc CD-80052 (C)
                Varese Sarabande VCD 47209 (C)

	Another you might look for is the Columbia release that was
	previously released on record as:

		Columbia M-31847 (R)

	I think it was one of the old Masterworks series.
1452.4Telarc CD-80171, Best-of-the-month, Nov 88 CD ReviewGLASS::HULLHallalujah!! The Resurrection (Plan A) has come!Thu Dec 29 1988 18:5926
    Probably the latest recording of Bolero is on the new Telarc CD-80171,
    which received a 10/10 rating recently in CD Review magazine (Nov 88,
    p.66). 

    The tracks and their times are the following Ravel pieces:

    Alborado del gracioso	 7:16
    Rapsodie espagnole		15:09
    Valses nobles et sentimentales
				16:31
    La Valse			12:06
    Bolero			15:25	TT=66:42

    The reviewer in the article said he didn't like Bolero and kept
    skipping the track, but forgot to one day, and when he heard this
    version he was a convert.  The libretto says Bolero is written so that
    the same melopy is repeated 13 times during the piece.  So take a bit
    over a minute per repetition, and you've got about 14-15 minutes.

    BTW, the conductor is Jesus Lopez-Cobos with the Cincinnati Symphony
    Orchestra.

    Enjoy!

	Al
1452.5HELIX::CLARKFri Dec 30 1988 06:5817
    Thanks to .4 for mentioning the conductor & orchestra.
    
    The '88 Penguin Guide to CDs assigns 3 stars to the following CDs
    that include Bolero (sorry, no time to list companion pieces):
    
    - Dutoit & Montreal SO (London/Decca 410010-2)
    - Dutoit & Montreal [diff. coupling, DDD] (LLondo/Deccan 414406-2)
    - Karajan & BPO, '64 ADD (DG 423217-2)
    - Karajan & BPO, DDD (DG Dig. 413 588-2)
    - Previn & LSO (Angel/HMV CDC-47162)
    
    The CD numbers come from the Dec-88 Schwann CD catalog.  In fact, this
    is a model of how I shop for classical CDs when I don't have a
    particular performance in mind.  (1) Read the Penguin writeups, noting
    admitted prejudices (2) Cross check against a recent Schwann CD catalog
    for US availability.  So far, at least for the keyboard works I've
    been seeking, it's served me extremely well.
1452.6Ormandy & the Philly is my favoriteVEEJAY::ECTORTerrorize terroristsFri Dec 30 1988 11:3016
    
    
    If the Dutoit & Montreal releases are anywhere near as good as their
    "Holst's 'The Planets'," I'd buy it. However, for a sure thing,
    an earlier noter mentioned the CBS Masterworks version, which, I
    believe is by Eugene Ormandy & the Philadelphia Orch. This is the
    one I grew up listening to, and it's fantastique !!  If you find
    this one - buy it !!
    
    I'm going to check out the Telarc one as soon as it's available
    locally. I was taken by the review in CD REVIEW of it, too. Now
    I'm really curious.
    
    				The Cruiser
    
    
1452.7Philadelphia OrchestraDWOVAX::HUNTPhila Eagles 1988 NFC East ChampsFri Dec 30 1988 14:346
    I've always considered the version by The Philadelphia Orchestra
    conducted by the late Eugene Ormandy to be the "classic".
    
    Just an opinion ...
    
    Bob Hunt
1452.8Chopin's BoleroFOOZLE::GOSSELINKen...AET1-2/8...240-6570Tue Jan 03 1989 13:4217
    
    
     Just to cloud things up a little - "Bolero" is basically a Spanish
    folk dance, featuring a swift dancer paired with a rhythmic dancer.
    Ravel's Bolero is not the only Bolero available, athough it is by
    far the most popular.
    
     A fine Bolero by Chopin is featured on Artur Rubinstein's "The
    Chopin Collection." The piece is scored for piano, and clocks in
    at ~7:00 minutes. This recording dates from the early sixties, and
    is VERY different from Ravel's repetitive version. I like it, but
    you may not.
    
    
    
                                       Ken