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1102.0. "Why 18 bits? Excuse my ignorance!" by KERNEL::BARTLEY () Mon Feb 29 1988 09:55

    I know nothing about CD. 
    
    What is the advantage of an 18-bit machine?
    
    What is the significance of the 18 bits when discs are recorded
    with 16 bits?
    
    I would appreciate some technical enlightenment.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Theo.
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1102.118 Bits? Where's the Tiger Team?YOUNG::YOUNGMon Feb 29 1988 10:198
    Actually, I know some PDP-10 hackers who could explain in glorious
    detail the advantage of 18 bit over 16 bit machines...
    
    I think what you are talking about is called oversampling.  Some
    of the replies to note 1067 explain it.
    
    				Paul
    
1102.218 Bit WorkingsUSRCV1::THOMPSONPPaul ThompsonMon Feb 29 1988 12:0932
    Re .1
    
    Note 1067 doesn't accurately explain the "advantages" or workings
    of 18 bit D/A converters at all.  The problem that they are supposed
    to address is the increase in noise levels as the signal level drops.
     One unique aspect of digital recording is thst the distortion levels
    are highest when the signal is the lowest.  If, for example, the
    least significant bit represents a signal of 1 volt, the threshold
    for setting this bit would be between .5 volt and 1.5 volt.  This
    leaves a range for a 50% error.  As more bits are used to define
    the signal, it is possible to more accurately approximate the actual
    level.
    
    In the "quasi" 18 bit machines, when the signal level is not using
    the two most significant digits, the signal is shifted two places
    and random "dither" signals are added to the two least significant
    bits.  It is known that the dither won't be exactly what was originally
    intended, but the level of the distortion will be reduced due to
    the random nature of the "dither". 
    
    The next part might not be exact, but it will describe the principle.
     In order to properly match the signal levels of the loud and quite
    passages, when the quite passages leave the D/A converter they are
    dynamically reduced in level to return them to the proper level.
     No reduction is applied to the louder passages since they were
    not increased by the shifting in the beginning.
    
    I hope that this has been clear enough to explain the principles
    involved in getting 18 bits from a D/A when there are only 16 bits
    on the disc.
    
    
1102.3see AUDIO...FACT01::LAWRENCEJim/Hartford A.C.T.,DTN 383-4523Mon Feb 29 1988 12:4714
    
    There is a lengthy discussion of this technique in a note covering
    Yahama CD players in the AUDIO notesfile.  Whenever you have a
    technical question about the hardware, you might look there first.
     Most every topic you can imagine has been covered in detail by
    experts.  
    
    P.S. the 18 bit technique has nothing to due with oversampling.
    Also, I'm sure most folks know that there is only 16 bits available
    on the CD itself.  The 18 bits is built by the shifting mentioned
    earlier.
    
    Regards, Jim