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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
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1060.0. "CD HELP IN 88" by PNO::SIMONE () Mon Jan 18 1988 04:25

    I have a few questions maybe somebody can help me out.Have they
    improved CD players at all.Most information in this file is dated.
      I was told once that CD players only put out from 30hz -30khz
    is this true?Can they be modified for better response.Please don't
    give me shop answers because I will not understand a word of it.
      Can I purchase a decent player in the $300. range? Is it worth
    spending more?My goal is to get a proton amp.The one that has can
    double its rated power.I've heard one and I think they sound great.
    Sorry don't know model#.Do higher priced players give more frequency
    responce?My brother ownes a Technics player and it dosn't sound
    like it puts out a 20hz-20khz range.This is really the only thing
    that I don't like about it.Its played through Cerwin Vega speakers.
      Any help would be appreciated but try to keep it in the english
    language.
               Thanks -Dave
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1060.1REGENT::POWERSMon Jan 18 1988 07:1916
There is no audio information on a CD much above 20KHz.  This is purposeful.
A fundamental law of digital signal capture and re-creation says there
can be no information in frequencies above half the sampling frequency.
The CD format prescribes a sampling frequency of 44.1 Khz, so there is
no information stored representing anything above 22.05 Khz.  Also,
anything above 22.05Khz generated during playback is spurious, and is called
an "alias."
The good news is that once the digital data have been recovered,
they must be changed to analog forms and be processed as analog.
This is good news, because it means that there is room in the design
for varying quality, including good, flat reproduction of the audible
range of the disc format.

I don't know the market, so I can't advise on price or brands.

- tom]
1060.2StuffVOLGA::D_MONTGOMERYthreeguysmakinallthatnoiseMon Jan 18 1988 07:2936
    
    Dave,
    
    The first thing to keep in mind is that the sound you hear is only
    as good as the speakers pushing the air mass.   The best CD player
    in the world, with the best amp in the world, will still sound only
    as good as the speakers.   In your specific case, you mentioned
    Cerwin-Vega speakers.  I've never seen a Cerwin Vega that could
    reproduce lower than 30 Hz bass sound.   The CV's are great speakers
    for loud, hard rock music,  but they aren't the best for quieter
    jazz or classical passages.   So, assuming that you really can tell
    the difference between 20 Hz and 30 Hz, that's why the player
    you heard didn't seem to reproduce the low end (as well as some
    other factors).   It's important to match the speakers to the kind
    of music to which you'll be listening.
    
    Every single CD Player for which I've read specs [probably 25-30
    different players] reproduces sound *at least* across the entire
    spectrum of human hearing [ 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz ].
    
    What you get by paying more are more reliability and durablity,
    as well as features such as remote controls, programming, multi-disc
    capability, etc. etc.   In general,  there is no discernible difference
    in *sound* between a $150.00 unit and a $750.00 unit.
    [So, to answer your question:   You can buy a better-than-decent
    player in the $300.00 range!]
    
    Other factors which affect the sound you hear from your
    player/amp/speakers are:   Placement of speakers in the room, size
    of room,  placement of your ears relative to speakers, furniture,
    carpet, wall surface....

    The Proton amps are real nice.   I want one too!
    But *Start with good speakers!!!*
    
    -Monty-
1060.3ThanksPNO::SIMONETue Jan 19 1988 01:0012
    Thanks for the info.From what I was hearing through notes is that
    the sound is the same,But like I said earlier they were from 1985.
      I wasn't sure if anything had changed.What I didn't say is that
    I would be using speakers that I hae been building.Here is an
    example: Each cabinet: 1 seaz tweeter liquid cooled. 2 seaz midranges
    5 and 1/4. 1 becker 8'' woof,but its crossed over in mid area.
    1-15'' marshall woofer.I traded 2 sea level albums for 3 of them.
      Not a bad deal.The funny part is I've only finished one completly
    still need 2 more of the seaz mids,but as is they sound better than
    the cerwin vega's.Kind of made made my brother mad. Thanks again
    for the information.
                         Dave