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    Maby they wanted you to hear it!

    I would bet that the telephone is intentional. Pink Floyd seems
    to enjoy playing with people's minds that way, throwing things in
    that don't seem to fit, or putting something in the recording that
    you don't hear until you've played it 50 times.
    
    -Keith K.

    .4 seems out of place now that .3 is deleted

    I've one CD that has a doorbell that sounds exactly like mine.
    I've yet to not get up and go to the door before realizing its on
    the disk. 
    
    -j
    

    Yes, Pink Floyd does those sort of things. That was one of their
    actractivenes in the early years. I think they also had something
    to do with people trying to get better systems so they could hear
    some of the stuff that was in the "noise."
    
    Les

    Blue Oyster Cult also does it occasionally.  The telephone ringing
    in "Joan Crawford" gets me out of my chair every time.

    Speaking of telephones, I don't remember the name of the song but
    on the much acclaimed "In the Digital Mood" there is a song that
    ends in a bunch of "touch tone" sounds. This disc advertises that
    all of the songs were performed exactly as they were in the '40s.
    Did Glen Miller have access to touch tone phones or was this an
    oversight or some sort of humor?
    
    Les

    It's bound to be humor since it comes at the end of "Pennsylvania
    6-5000".  I think that's the title of the song, but I'm not sure.

    re -.10
    
    I know it was deliberate. I just don't get the point of the humor.
    It is a reminder that that album is not authentic. Did we need that
    reminder? I definately think it detracts from the album.
    
    Les

    It could be interesting to try to feed the telephone the tones
    to see where it went. I used to know a guy that worked for the phone
    company that could whistle his home number into the hand set and never
    had to touch a button.
    
    -j
    

    My favorite (not really so extraneous) noise is the barking dog
    on one of the cuts from Pink Floyd's MEDDLE. When I first picked
    up the album circa 15 years ago, I had my speakers mounted on
    the wall on either side of one of the windows. When the dog
    started barking, I kept looking out the window to see what was
    going on. It took me a while to realize it was coming from the
    speakers.
    
    --- jerry

    Everytime I listen to _Dark Side of the Moon_ I always start to
    nod off during "On the Run" (I *think* this is the name), soon to
    be RUDELY awakened by the alarm clock in "Time".
    
    Mark.

    re:13 The Dog barking.
    
    	When I first got that album, my dog came running into the steroe
    room right the the speaker looking for "the new dog in the house".
    

    re -.14
    
    Time, wake up, before you know it ten years will have gone by, oops,
    its been fifteen years since that song.
    
    Les

    
    I thought the barking dogs were on ANIMALS?
    
    DFW

    
    re: .17 The dogs are there to. Great Stuff!  Even the BoC tune is
    so real.
    
        For a Scream extreamly erie check out the Rolling Stones song
    "dancin with Mr. D". or even Zappa's "the torture never stops".
     
                                            Charlie.
    

    Since were on the subject of noise and are talking about it adding
    to the quality of the music, has anyone heard "Its a Bit of a Pain"
    by Faust.
    
    It starts out with a very melodic female vocalist with some melodic
    backing and then somebody pulls a mic cord and we get a screeching
    highly harmonic 120 Hz buzz. Then the buzz stops and we have the
    female vocalist with an upted tempo and a little harder backing.
    Then the buzz comes back but it has some musical quality to it.
    Then the female voclaist with hard fast tempo rock, with very buzzy
    guitar backing her up. Real hard rock, I love it. Its a bit of a
    pain.
    
    Les

    
    I have recently heard 'Wish you were here' on CD. This has been
    my favourite Pink Floyd album long since. 
    
    At the beginning of the title track you have the AM-radio playing
    some tune. Then, before the acoustic guitar really plays up, you
    hear the guitarist come in, move the stool, clear his throat, hum
    a bit, rub something against the case of the guitar and then really
    starts playing.
    
    Although the vinyl version of this album is still in rather good
    condition, I really noticed this 'noise' first while listening to
    the Compact version.
    
    						- Rik -

    Re .-1
    
    > rub something against his guitar case...
    
    I always thought he was lighting a cigarette!?
    
    -Brian

This discussion seems to have digressed from extraneous noise to deliberate
sound effects.  I'd like to bring it back to noise.

One source of noise is the very fact that a particular disc (AAD, ADD) may
be a transcription of a recording that was made *years* ago - in classical
recordings, with their wide dynamic range, it's especially common.  Much of
this noise comes about because the transcription equipment used to remaster
the recording to LP simply couldn't hear the noise by chance or by design,
so the engineers didn't know it was there.  A couple of examples:

The Angel/EMI set of Delius music recorded around 1960 by Sir Thomas
Beecham.  The quiet opening of the first section of the Florida Suite is
marred by the very clear sound of a tape transport's motor running.  The
third section makes up for it - there is a quiet moment when you can hear
the conductor turning the page of his score.  Neither of these sounds
appeared on the 1964-vintage LP I replaced with this CD set; they were
buried in hiss.  (The original recording was on the Capitol label.)

The Angel/EMI Andre Previn version of Orff's Carmina Burana, recorded in
'76.  There are two sections in "Cour D'Amour" that are quiet, both during
soprano solos, in which the rumble of a subway train going under the
building can be heard.

Ignoring tape hiss, anyone else got any good (bad) noisy discs?

- Dick