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       Here's my review well to start it deffinatly has the floyd tones
    it compares with WISH YOU WERE HERE,ANIMALS,AND THE WALL, a lot
    of it is wierd (but thats pink floyd) but some is really WIERD-
    for example "A NEW MACHINE p1+p2", and "ON THE TURNING AWAY" in
    fact the first time I heard on the turning away I said I bet they
    make a single out of it and sure enough WAAF in worcester has it
    in the No. 1 possition on the top 5 at 5.
        The rest of the lp/cd is floyd music though Mr. gimours voice
    shows where Mr. waters is missed. great stuff though nothing like
    dark side of the moon.
        
                        Charlie
    

    I bought it at Lechmere $13.99.   It is digitally recorded, has
    great sound quality.  I agree with .1, Roger Waters is definitely
    missed.  In parts it sounds like a Gilmour solo album (not necessarily
    bad). 
    
    It does sport the characteristic Pink Floyd weirdness.  I've only
    listened to it twice, it does recall some of their earlier
    stuff, and I wish there were more guitar solos, but overall I
    give it a B++
    

      I have it and I like it.
    

I just bought "A Momentary Lapse Of Reason" last night, and haven't had
time to listen to it or read the words. I'm curious about a couple of things,
though. 

Like, does the title have anything to do with Roger Waters effectively
taking over the band for The Wall and The Final Cut (both good albums).

Also, who is Pink Floyd these days. I had assumed (with no basis) that Roger
Waters was out (seems to be correct), and Richard Wright was back in (he
wasn't in for The Final Cut). However, I only recognize Gilmour's name in
the song credits. What happened to Nick Mason? Where did the new members
come from, and where did the old ones go?

Perhaps those of you who read the music rags can help?

Mike Thomas
    
    

    
    ok.....I suppose it's time that I jumped in here with my grubby
    copy of "Q" and copy the review in.....are you all sitting
    comfortably..coz here we go....
    
    [reproduced without etc. etc.]
    
    Pink Floyd: A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
    =======================================
    
    I write as a person of definably bog-standard taste when it comes
    to the Floyd; each in their season, I liked See Emily Play, Dark
    Side Of The Moon, and Another Brick In The Wall.  But from this
    listener's point of view, despite Waters leaving in high dudgeon
    and Wright reappearing only in small print and on wages, A Momentary
    Lapse Of Reason does sound like a Pink Floyd album.
    	For sure it's as lavish as ever, Storm Thorgerson sleeve to
    equal Hipgnosis's finest (Wish You Were Here, I'd say).  David Bailey
    "band" portrait.  Seven studios, six keyboard players, five drummers,
    four backing singers, three sax men, two guitarists - seriously - 
    and just Gabriel - lieutenant Tony Levin on bass.  All this and
    some decent music too?
    	It could be argued that Floyd *nagged* their way to megastardom.
     Sorrow, for instance, is a gloom-laden moan under "leaden skies"
    with the protagonist mourning "lost Paradise".  But self-indulgent
    wallowing in misery is redeemed by Gilmour as born-again guitarist
    going back for the big old dead-slow sustains as if he were a fresh
    teenager whacking a Strat in his bedroom and discovering that sound
    like a mad symphony orchestra playing St Paul's.
    	The Dogs Of War is better, right on the money.  A tight lyric
    pungently denouncing mercenaries, undeniably passionate crescendos
    on guitar and sax, and Gilmour singing with the incendiary fury
    of John Lennon's White Album track Yer Blues (interesting that the
    subject is one which would doubtless have inspired Waters too; they
    clearly didn't come all that way without a lot of basic empathy).
    	There's a pattern here.  When something's up, Gilmour does a
    great Lennon impression.  When the material and production ideas
    are more mundane he goes folkie earnest or sub-Mark Knopfler.  That's
    what happens to One Slip, a shapeless love lament, and On Turning
    Away, a lame post-Geldof piece advising that this is "a world we
    all must share"
    	Still, in the true Floyd manner, most of the tracks do grow
    with repeated listenings, even a couple of instrumentals - and I've
    left the best to last.  New Machine, Parts 1 & 2 is a chillingly
    beautiful vocal exploration, a chorale of multitrack, echo and
    distortion broken into aching fragments by long moments of silence.
    Very daring.  A brilliant stroke of imagination.  In a word, worth
    it.
    	A Momentary Lapse is Gilmour's album to much the same degree
    that the previous four under Floyd's name were dominated by Waters
    (Mason's probably glad just to be along for the ride).  Clearly
    it wasn't only business sense and repressed ego but repressed talent
    which drove the guitarist to insist on continuing under the band
    brand name.  The Floyd-to-tour rumour starts here.
    
                                     =*=
    
    "Q" gives it a "***" rating, which in their terminology means "Good"
     Comments on the review from people who already have the CD?
                                                               
    								Ian!
     

    
    
    
        Nick Mason is still in the band (says so on my copy, and it
    even sounds like it). This is just my opinion-THE FINAL CUT;this
    P.F. lp has some stand out tracks TWO SUNS IN THE SUNSET,NOT NOW
    JOHN, THE HERO'S RETURN (parts 1+2),and THE FINAL CUT, but other
    wise this is a good example of roger waters COMA music(paraniod
    eyes etc...) for the most part these are the same tunes as the wall
    if you listen to the movie of the wall you will hear the lyrics
    from the final cut ( like when pink is hiding in the police mens
    room he is mumbleing  the lyrics to the final cut lp) and the tunes
    the music is so close to the wall lp. this lp is just O.K.
    
        Now to pick on the new Waters lp  yeech!!! the only song thats
    any good is the flip side of the single  radio wave  the song I'm
    refering to is titled GOING TO LIVE IN L.A. now this song is great
    waters material and it's not even on the lp/cd I think waters is
    having  A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF SANITY.
    
                        thats just my proffesional opinion
    
                                      Charlie
    

    I have AMLOR and I've listened it through a couple of times...
    
    AMLOR sounds a LOT like Pink Floyd as they would have sounded halfway
    between Wish You Were Here and Animals.  It's where the group ought
    to have gone if Waters hadn't gotten all upset (paranoid?) and gone
    toward The Wall.  Not that The Wall is bad (it's great) but it lead
    to The Final Cut- which is good but I can barely bear to listen
    to.  Worse than Shostakovich's 13'th (the Babi Yar).
    
    But the path to The Wall leads to a dead end.  The group has
    backtracked and I think it's good that they did.  AMLOR is listenable,
    even at 2AM.  Like Dark Side, Animals, and WYWH.  Unlike the Wall.
    
    Sure, it has less social commentary- but you certainly can have
    too much social commentary, so much that it obscures the art.
    That's what I think happened on Final Cut, and I've not felt secure
    enough toward Waters to buy any of his solo material since.
    
    What does AMLOR sound like?   It sounds like VIRTUAL next album
    following Wish You Were Here.  Forget that the Wall and Final Cut
    ever existed, and if you like PF, you'll like AMLOR.
    
      

I have never considered myself a Pink Floyd fan, though I heard The Wall once 
in college and liked it.  I heard Dark Side of the Moon twice in high school 
and found it boring.  I checked out Animals and Wish You Were Here from the 
Chelmsford Library five years ago and found the atonal, unmelodic and basically 
unlistenable.

I bought The Wall at Lechmere Saturday during their one-day four-for-three 
sale.  I found it boring, for the most part.  I decided to maintain an open 
mind, though, and bought the new CD last night.

Much to my surprise, I enjoyed it immensely!  And this was even at 1am!  I 
suppose it's really just a David Gilmour solo album rather than a real Pink 
Floyd album, though.  My only complaint is that of all post-Barrett Floyd 
albums; that there isn't enough emotional or stylistic variety.  That's OK 
in a way, as it gives it the feeling of a Rock Symphony.

This is one of those albums that has its own niche.  You need it around for 
when you're in a particular mood.  It is unique, to my ears, and not at all 
derivative.  Well thought out, carefully executed, with a lot of blood, sweat 
and tears put into it.  Not one of my favourite albums, but it definitely 
deserves high praise both for intent and execution.

Great album jacket, too.  Yes could take a few lessons, here.


				Mark

    
    Re: .8
    
    Mark...atonal? unmelodic??? unlistenable??????
    
    Gee, Mark you must not be taking the correct drugs.....
    
    
    8^)   8^)   8^)   8^)
    
    
    I'll go along with that for "Animals" but I think "Wish You Were
    Here" is their best album except maybe the new one which I haven't
    heard.
    
    Nothing wrong with a Gilmour-led Floyd anyway, I always liked his
    stuff better than Roger's....which probably puts me in the minority.
    
    I also still listen to the Syd solo stuff so that puts me in a *real*
    minority.....

    re: .8
    
    Since you found "The Wall" to be boring, and you obviously don't
    care for it, would you consider selling (or trade)?
    
    JSS

    re: -1	If your not specifically interested in the CD version,
    		I have the LP, and am willing to sell it for $6. It's in 
    		excellent shape (played it only once).
    
    Ken....
    
    P.S. Of course, if anyone else is interested let me know.
     

RE: .10

If I did, it would go in CDSWAP, since it would be some time from now.  
Certainly not this week.  I may find something interesting on repeated plays.

RE: .9

Maybe I haven't heard "Wish You Were Here"; I've just seen the album jacket so 
often I probably think I have.  I do believe there were two Floyd albums I 
checked out six years ago, though, and neither of them really had any lyrics 
to speak of.

I owned "Relics" when I was in high school but sold it (and the rest of my 
record collection) to pay my college tuition.  The next time I heard "See 
Emily Play", I was rather surprised because the voice belonged to David Bowie! 
 I remember finding early Floyd's humour much more tongue-in-cheek and honest 
than The Nice's (for some reason, I draw some comparisons between those two 
groups at that stage in their respective development).

I have seen tons of Capitol releases by Floyd on CD, but have no idea what to 
expect from them so haven't tried any yet.  I'm really not at all familiar 
with this group's history; although probably not to the degree that I'm naive 
about The Who's history (the only other 60's mega-group that I never really 
followed, other than The Kinks).


				Mark

    re: The Wall lp offer for $6.
    
    You got me interested mainly for the price.  I'm debating.  One
    side says take it.  The other says get the cd, it costs a lot more
    but you'll have it forever.  I'll think about it and get back to
    you.
    
    JSS

For us dummies here, was The Final Cut the only Floyd release after The Wall?  
And did any of the solo efforts feature other Pinkos?


				Mark

    
    Re: .14
    
    Other post-Wall releases:
    
    They released a "best of" for CBS which had only CBS material except
    a rerecording (because EMI held the original) of "Money"
          
    Solo:
    David Gilmour has two, "David Gilmour" (which predates "The Wall")
    and "About Face" with no fellow Floyds 
    
    Rick Wright had one called "Wet Dreams" or something, never heard
    it
    
    Nick Mason did "Fictitious Sports" with Carla Bley's band (???!!!)
    and a recent duo album with Rick Fenn(did I spell that right?) which
    I also have never heard                                           
    
    Waters released a soundtrack album to a film called "The Body" which
    was a collaboration with Ron Geesin (who cowrote "Atom Heart Mother"
    with the Floyd) around 1970
    
    Both of Syd Barrett's solo albums had Floyd members on them
    
    Most of these not on CD, by the way.....
      
    
                                                     

	Roger Waters had a solo disc entitled The Pros and Cons of
	Hitchiking... Never heard it tho....


	bob

     Both of the Gilmour solo efforts are available on CD. I have ABOUT
    FACE on disc.
    
    Russ
    
    BTW- It's a pissa!

    A number of years ago I had a Floyd album called _Masters of Rock_.
    
    I thought it had the best of Barrett's material, and I'm looking
    for its CD equivalent. 
    
    I have both _Piper_ and _Saucerful_, but I miss "It Would Be So
    Nice" and "Candy and a Current Bun." 
    
    Are these songs not available on CD? 
    
    Also, what about Rick Wright's solo album from about ten years ago,
    _Wet Dream_. Has anyone spotted that on CD?