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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
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880.0. "Paul McCartney" by REGENT::SCHMIEDER () Tue Aug 25 1987 14:14

Well, I lucked out this weekend, although my bank account didn't.  I managed 
to get all three Genesis double albums for $20 apiece at Newbury Comics in 
Burlington!  These are EXCELLENT, all imports from Germany.  So far, I am 
finding that German CD's are generally better than American ones.

As I mentioned elsewhere, there aren't all that many records that I intend to 
buy on CD, in terms of pop music.  Most bands haven't produced a great enough 
quantity of good music per disc that I would ever want anything more than my 
compilation tapes to represent them by.

But there are also the cases of bad vinyl labels vs. good CD labels.  Another 
title I bought this weekend was McCartney's "Press to Play" CD, which has 
several more tracks than the vinyl (which I found out AFTER buying the vinyl). 
 I can say uncategorically that the CD puts the vinyl to shame!  There is just 
no comparison!  And remember, I don't exactly have a mid-fi stereo system!

So, now I am anxious to get all the others on CD (well, within reason; I can 
do without "Red Nose Bleedway", "Wild Life" and a few others).

Thing is, they've been out of print for years!  Is Capital waiting to remaster 
them before rereleasing them, or maybe when the distribution reverted to them 
they had to agree to wait a few years so the remaining CBS copies could sell?

Anyone know the scoop on McCartney CD's?  I've only seen "Wings' Greatest" 
(which I may eventually buy) and "Band on the Run" (I have an EXCELLENT 
British import of this one, as well as of "McCartney" and a flawless Japanese 
pressing of "Ram").


				Mark
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880.1Quality Problems with McCartney CD'sBARNUM::WOODTue Aug 25 1987 18:299
    The Green Catalog of Compact Discs indicates that most of Paul's
    albums will be released soon.  I have specifically been looking
    for the Ram album.  The proprietor at Rock-N-Mania Records in
    Framingham told me that Capitol is having a quality problem with
    the McCartney CD's and this is the reason for the delay of the release.
    
    A logical question might be "What is a quality problem?".  I asked
    the guy this and he didn't seem to have a clue.  I just hope they
    hurry up and get that good music out!!
880.2ULTRA::HERBISONLess functionality, more featuresWed Aug 26 1987 12:035
        I have *Band on the Run* and *Venus and Mars*.
        
        Was there a sale at Newbury Comics?  Is it still running?
        
        					B.J.
880.3REGENT::SCHMIEDERWed Aug 26 1987 14:2053
Not much of a sale.  $2 off on every CD; $4 off on double sets (and N.C., in 
spite of usual high prices, discounts their double sets to begin with).  Only 
at the brand new Burlington store, Vine Brook Plaza (right across from 
Burlington Mall), until the end of August.

Considering the quality of Lechmere's selection, I wasn't able to find much of 
anything at their one-day Saturday sale and ended up spending a lot more at 
N.C. instead.

I was not aware that "Venus and Mars" was out, although really the only ones I 
want are "London Town", "Pipes of Peace", "Back to the Egg" and "Tug of War".  
I have imports of "Band on the Run", "Ram" and "McCartney".  I had scratchy 
used imports of several others, and the usual horrible domestics of the rest.
I'm reviewing my tapes tonight to see which ones I feel are worth having.  I
remember "Speed of Sound" sounding a lot better to me the last time I heard 
it, and "Wings Over America" ranks as one of my favourite live rock albums of 
all time.

Was "Venus and Mars" on Capital or CBS?  I know CBS started issuing some on 
CD shortly before the switch, as I once saw copies of "Tug of War", 
"Broadstreet" and "Pipes of Peace" on CD long before I had a CD player.

The only ones I know of on Capital are "Band on the Run", "Press to Play" and 
"Wings' Greatest".

It would be real nice if they'd release a compilation of all the singles, 
including the B-sides (which I usually prefer to the A-sides).  I sold my 
unplayable domestic singles (used, scratchy, etc.) many years ago ASSUMING that 
Rock 'n Mania's supply of imports would never dry up.  I managed to replace a 
few of them in time, but am still missing some key singles.  It is next to 
impossible to find them ANYWHERE now, new, used or import.  Many of them 
aren't really worth having, but most are at least worth a listen (with the 
exceptions of "Wonderful Christmastime" and "Check My Machine").

I am hoping that the plans for compiling rare Beatles material will rub off on 
the McCartney project as well.  The resulting disc would be superior to at 
least half of the McCartney and Wings albums that actually came out.  There's 
also quite a bit of unreleased material and GOOD live material (which I've 
seen on TV or heard on the radio).  There should be enough material for a 
two-disc set, at least.

Maybe I'll eventually decide "McCartney", "Ram" and "Band on the Run" are 
worth having on CD as well, after I hear reviews vs. the vinyl.  I was upset 
to see they later added "Helen Wheels" to "Band on the Run", though, as it 
was always out of place.  Not really a bad song, but it doesn't fit with the 
album for a number of reasons (different Wings line-up, the album as a whole 
is a concept album and has carefully thought-out segues, the style contrasts 
too much with the actual album).  Maybe the earlier CD was the import, since 
the U.K. vinyl doesn't include "Helen Wheels" (this is the only place where 
McCartney albums differed between the U.S. and the U.K.).


				Mark
880.4_Venus and Mars_ on CapitolEXIT26::STRATTONWalk like Annie gypped IanThu Aug 27 1987 00:1115
        re .3 (Mark Schmieder)
        
>Considering the quality of Lechmere's selection, I wasn't able to find much of 
>anything at their one-day Saturday sale...
        
        I had the same experience (Pheasant Lane Mall).  I was
        in the Woburn store tonight and was surprised at the variety
        they had there.
        
>Was "Venus and Mars" on Capital or CBS?
 
        Just checked; it's Capitol.

Jim Stratton
        
880.5REGENT::SCHMIEDERFri Aug 28 1987 14:38113
I listened through all my McCartney compilation tapes this week, as well as 
the vinyl that I kept.

My British import of "Band on the Run" would be hard to improve upon.  My 
British import of "McCartney" had some minor damage, but nothing I can't live 
with (most stores have a "no returns" policy on imports, which is ridiculous 
considering what they charge).  The sound quality is excellent.  The Japanese 
import of "Ram" is, as I said, flawless.  Not that I care.  In listening to 
this album again, I have found the performances bothersome in all cases, with 
only "Too Many People" retaining long-term listenability for me.  On 
"McCartney", Paul seems honest and like he's having fun, even though it's all 
multi-tracked.  Maybe he had lost his studio and ensemble discipline by "Ram", 
or maybe he didn't like who he was working with (Seiwell, a troublesome 
alcoholic, on drums, and veterans Hugh McCracken and Dave Spinozza on 
guitars).  The album sounds instrumentally clinical, with unemotive and often 
overly affected vocals.  Also, Linda's "harmonies" are more bothersome on this 
album than anywhere else.  Don't get me wrong; these are GREAT songs, and I'd 
love to hear McCartney do remakes of them or to see some live material 
released.  But I have lost my interest in seeing this on CD, even if I didn't 
have the Japanese vinyl.

The only song on "Wild Life" that grabs me is "Mumbo" (although "Some People 
Never Know" is pleasant, if a bit tedious).  But the incoherency of the lyrics 
bothers me.  Still, it has raw power and some hot guitar licks from Denny 
Laine (making his debut on this album).  This album was unrehearsed, and it 
shows.  McCartney's embarassed by it now, so it's possible he'll try to 
prevent its release on CD.

"Red Nose Bleedway" sounds like children's songs to me, for the most part.  
There are a few leftover "Ram" tracks here ("Get On the Right Thing" is one of 
them).  "Big Barn Bed" is like a non-energetic remake of "Mumbo", and could be 
greatly improved if McCartney changed the rhythm somewhat on the vocal line.  
I believe this will come out on CD, as the schmaltzy "My Love" (sounded OK on 
"Wings Over America", though) was a major hit, and the critics LOVED this 
album when it came out.  Parts of the medly are good, but it's hard to edit 
them out of context and "Lazy Dynamite" makes me want to vomit.

"Venus and Mars" was the first REAL Wings album.  Finally, a rock group with 
fully contributing members; vocally, compositionally and in terms of 
arrangement.  Unfortunately, it was an experiment that failed, but give the 
big PM ego credit for trying.  I prefer all of these numbers live, as with the 
follow-up album "Speed of Sound".  The latter had bigger hits, so I am 
surprised it didn't come out on CD first.  Both albums have good songs but 
lame performances.  Although Denny Laine has some hot guitar licks that ALMOST 
make up for the lackluster performances from Geoff Britten and Jimmy McCulloch 
(later, Joe English played drums, and he was somewhat of an improvement).

"London Town" is part-Wings, part solo.  Most of the stronger material was 
done by the McCartney/McCartney/Laine trio, the one that produced "Band on the 
Run".  There's more variety than usual on this album, which is both good and 
bad.  Overall, the album could use more raw energy, but surprisingly has 
McCartney's biggest stateside hit of all time so will probably be out on CD 
shortly.  Ironically, that song, "With a Little Luck", is the ONE song on the 
album that I literally cannot stomach.  This album was very crisply recorded, 
and has a lot of folk overtones, so probably would benefit from the improved 
S/N of CD technology.

"Back to the Egg" continues to amaze me.  While all the other mainstream acts 
were doing shallow imitations of the underground acts of the time, and the 
buying public didn't know any better until later when those groups became 
mainstream, Wings got it right from the start.  Rather than imitate, McCartney 
called upon his roots and jumped right into the movement head first with his 
heart.  He recruited two young players of some established credibility (I 
believe one or the other had played with Elvis Costello or some other early 
punk star), Laurence Juber and Steve Holly, and delivered a burning album of 
revved-up blues-punk and new-wave ballads.  This album has more variety than 
any McCartney has ever done, in my opinion, and has the most energy and 
professional performances as well as the tightest ensemble playing.  Due to 
the complexity of textures, I can hardly wait to get this on CD.  
Unfrotunately, every single from the album was a flop for some reason 
(although "Arrow Through Me" did all right on the Adult Contemporary charts).  
The prerelease single, "Goodnight Tonight", was a better seller, and hopefully 
will be included on some CD package shortly.  This is the material Paul 
trained his new group on, and is a tongue-in-cheek parody of the disco of the 
time if you listen closely.  The B-side is distinct in that it has so many 
transitions, but is ultimately a flawed performance.

Of the other singles, I decided that all were flawed and could stand revisions 
and remakes at some point.  The flaws are fatal in all cases, although only 
upon repeated listenings.  "Oh Woman Oh Why" is the song I find the most 
interesting of the rare material, and "Sally G" has some fine playing by some 
Nashville greats.

I rejected the "commerciality" of "Tug of War" at first, but now consider it 
McCartney's finest solo album in many ways.  Likewise with "Pipes of Peace", 
although the performances sound a bit unfinished in places.  I believe thse 
both came out on CD on the CBS label at first, but it appears Capital has to 
wait five years after the initial release date before reissuing them, which is 
a shame if true.  "Broadstreet" was the final CBS release ("Back to the Egg" 
was the first), and likewise will probably be unavailable for awhile.  I found 
it rather clinical, and was embarassed by Ringo's lifeless drumming.  I guess 
it's hard to match music to video and still have something interesting to 
listen to on its own.

The "Press to Play" CD is definitely one of the better CD's I've heard, and I 
should mention that most of the music is quite good also.  There's a lot of 
variety on this album, with more raw emotions than on the more mellow 
predecessor albums.  If you've only heard the singlee, "Press", don't judge 
the album on that song, because it's very atypical of the album as a whole.  
If you generally like McCartney, you'll probably like the "Press to Play" CD.  
besides, with all the extra tracks on there (most of which are good), there's 
pretty much something for everyone on this one!

McCartney is a boss bass player.  It's good that he's back to playing bass on 
his own albums once again.  There is no one else quite like him, who has the 
sense of melody, rhythm and harmony combined with the inventiveness, 
tastefulness and restraint and tonality.

It is McCartney's bass playing that has benefitted the most, in my opinion, 
from the Beatles and McCartney CD's.


				Mark
880.6Jimmy not DennyAQUA::ROSTYou used me for an ashtray heartFri Aug 28 1987 17:5716
    
    Re: .5
    
    Nit, nit, nit...
    
    I think that the hot guitar licks you credit to Denny Laine on "Venus
    and Mars" belong to the late Jimmy McCulloch.
    
    Compare them to his playing on the Thunderclap Newman album if you're
    not sure.  BTW, I thought that post-Newman McCulloch  was pretty 
    lackluster, a real disappointment considering the caliber of the
    people he was working with.                          
    
    Funny thing, "Medicine Jar" the anti-drug song on "Venus and Mars"
    was written by McCulloch.  He died from a drug overdose.
    
880.7TLE::WARDJohn WardFri Aug 28 1987 22:4118
    Re: .5

    > The Japanese import of "Ram" is, as I said, flawless.  Not that I
    > care.  In listening to this album again, I have found the performances
    > bothersome in all cases, with only "Too Many People" retaining long-term
    > listenability for me.

    Ironically, on the ``Ram'' CD that song is the only one with an annoying
    buzz in the background.  I, too, like this song a lot.  But I also like
    "Monkberry Moon Delight"---talk about McCartney having fun!

    > On "McCartney", Paul seems honest and like he's having fun . . .

    I think this album is highly underrated (for instance, a critic from
    _Rolling Stone_ wrote that the *only* good song on the album is "Maybe
    I'm Amazed.")  BTW, the CD sounds great!

    John
880.8Greatest Hits out in OctoberREGENT::SCHMIEDERMon Aug 31 1987 13:0639
My comments were more opinionated than I meant them to be, due to being in a 
rush, but no one seems offended so there must be somewhat of a concurrence on 
the general statements.  I haven't heard McCulloch's post-Wings recordings, 
but should check them out.  I used to assume that Denny Laine did all the 
rhythm work and that anyone else was the lead guitarist (unless I'm mistaken, 
the credits never specify who plays lead and who plays rhythm), but maybe they 
swapped off also.  For that matter, I'm not sure how much of the guitar work 
is McCartney.  I seem to remember him switching to guitar for awhile and 
having Denny Laine do the bass chores.  I'm trying to remember the McCartney 
TV special, as that gave some clues.

Does anyone know who plays the fast flamenco runs at the end of "Goodnight 
Tonight"?  Did they bring in some famous session man like Paco de Lucia for 
that?

According to Waltham Record Shop, EMI is releasing a "McCartney's Greatest 
Hits" CD in early October, which will include "Press", "Ebony and Ivory", 
"Maybe I'm Amazed", "Too Many People" and various other hits through the 
years, possibly including some Wings hits that were left off the earlier 
compilation also (I expect to see "Coming Up" and "Arrow Through Me", as 
well as "Helen Wheels").

I don't know whether "Band on the Run" is a lot of overdubs and mostly 
McCartney with Denny and Linda mostly just supplying vocal harmonies, or 
what.  I know the basic tracks were recorded at Ginger Baker's studios in 
Lagos, Nigeria.  Some famous percussionist was involved in the sessions on 
congas, but beyond that I don't know (other than Howie Casie on saxophones 
as usual).  The orchestral backing was later added in London.  Although I 
think McCartney knows quite a bit about drumming for a "non-drummer", the 
drumming on "Band on the Run" seems a bit too "live" to be overdubbed or 
to have been played by McCartney himself.

I am holding off on all McCartney CD's until the Greatest Hits package is 
released, as I expect it may make many of the earlier albums "obsolete" to 
all but the die-hard fans (the later albums, in my eye, are almost flawless 
and couldn't be pared down by more than a couple of songs each).


				Mark
880.9ALL THE BEST IS "LONGGGGGG"VAXINE::COYNERMon Dec 07 1987 14:357
    I also put this in LONG CD's note but I'll also put it here.  I
    just purchased the "All The Best" CD by Paul McCartney.  It is a
    double album but only a single CD.  The quality is great and the
    best part is that you get 72min and 42(?)sec of music including
    "Goodnight Tonight."  For the price of a single CD you can't   
    beat it!!!!!!!!!
    
880.10PleaseWCSM::PURMALOh, the thinks you can think!Mon Dec 07 1987 16:133
       How about a list of the tracks on the CD?
    
    ASP
880.11All The BestCOOKIE::CHAVEZDale C. - CXO3 Colo SpgsMon Dec 07 1987 20:4226
RE: Note 880.10 by WCSM::PURMAL

>  How about a list of the tracks on the CD?

Here they are:

	 1. Band On The Run
	 2. Jet
	 3. Ebony and Ivory
	 4. Listen To What The Man Said
	 5. No More Lonely Nights
	 6. Silly Love Songs
	 7. Let'Em In
	 8. Say Say Say
	 9. Live And Let Die
	10. Another Day
	11. C Moon
	12. Junior's Farm
	13. Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
	14. Coming Up
	15. Goodnight Tonight
	16. With A Little Luck
	17. My Love


	 
880.12Wings Over AmericaTOOK::MICHAUDJeff MichaudSun Feb 07 1988 14:302
    Just saw "Wings Over America" at Strawberries for something like
    $22.  Has anyone purchesed it yet that can comment on the quality?
880.13more on PaulCOMET::BERRYAnnie are you ok, Are you ok ANNIE!Tue Dec 20 1988 00:1014
    RE: < Note 880.12 by TOOK::MICHAUD "Jeff Michaud" >
   
    >Just saw "Wings Over America" at Strawberries for something like
    $22.  Has anyone purchased it yet that can comment on the quality?
    
    Well, no one has replied here, but I do have Wings Over America
    and I find it quite good.  I didn't have the albums, so I can't
    compare it to them, but I love mine.  I also have...
    
    Red Rose Speedway, Give My Regards to Broadstreet, Wings Greatest,
    and can find no fault with any of them.   I got several more discs
    by Paul to get!  (after I find the $)
    
    Dwight