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Title:Welcome to the CD Notes Conference
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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
Last Modified:Fri Mar 03 1989
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1517
Total number of notes:13349

878.0. "IS PRODUCTION JUST AN EXCUSE?" by TOOK::MATTIOLI (NONE) Tue Aug 25 1987 10:07

	I was in New York City last weekend and, naturally, I visited Tower
records to check out the CD collection.  For those of you who are not familiar
with Tower, it is a *HUGE* record store.  Spread out across its three stories
is everything from pop to imports from rusia, india and all sorts of other
places.

	So I began my search for discs and soon began to get a bit upset.  There
were several items (E.G. "Wish you were here" pink floyd) that I could not find
anyplace.  In addition, there were some highly strange discs by groups with
names like "DEATH", and "THE CIRCLE JERKS."

	I hope you all realize that I'm not attacking these groups, I've never
heard of them, let alone their music, but I started wondering about all these
companys who've been claiming that these discs can't be manufactured fast
enough and that's why prices are so high.

	Can somebody tell me if:
	1)	These groups are actually good groups dispite the strange name.
	2)	These discs are actually more popular then Pink Floyd, Styx,
	a good deal of the Rush, some of the best Elton John, need I continue?

	In all fairness to Tower records, I was able to get Jackson Browne's
"Running On Empty" for a very good price.
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878.1Circle JerksAQUA::ROSTYou used me for an ashtray heartTue Aug 25 1987 10:1512
    
    I haven't heard Death, but I *have* heard (on record) and seen live,
    the Circle Jerks.
    
    I would call them "good" but they *are* a hardcore punk band, that
    is they play loud, fast, slightly obscene rock songs.  Or, to put
    it another way, they are good within their genre.
    
    They are *definitely* not more popular than the other groups you
    named.
    
    
878.2Can hardly wait for the next one...HPSCAD::WALLI see the middle kingdom...Tue Aug 25 1987 10:365
    
    All of Rush's albums, for example, are out on CD, including their
    two live albums.
    
    DFW
878.3How much are CDs? About $100/trip.VINO::GSCOTTGreg ScottTue Aug 25 1987 11:2711
    re .0: You forget that when you shop for CDs, one of two things
    are true:
    
    1) The "popular" stuff (the stuff you want anyway) is often sold out,
    and the more "obscure" stuff (the stuff you don't want) was in stock
    and plentiful. 
    
    2) There are at least 50 CDs that you want, and only the stuff you
    don't want is on sale. 
    
    GAS
878.4It's Gettin' Better....PARITY::GOSSELINTue Aug 25 1987 14:5218
     I agree with .3's lighthearted rules of CD shopping; it's certainly
    happened to me enough times!
    
     As far as the "production" excuse goes....well, it's partially
    true. Actually, the industry is dangerously close to overbuilding
    CD production plants - according to the usual "inside" sources.
    However, companies still have to schedule production runs...and
    if their crystal ball projections of sales is off (i.e., the Pink
    Floyd shortage you encountered at Tower), they have to wait in line
    to have another batch produced. My experience is that they tend
    to be pessimistic on re-releases of best sellers, optimistic on
    new releases and obscure bands. But...the situation is *much* better
    today than it was even a year ago - both in terms of price and
    availability. 
    
    
                                    Ken
    
878.5PDVAX::P_DAVISPeter Davis (aka SARAH::P_DAVIS)Wed Aug 26 1987 15:385
    There's another factor to consider.  As good as Tower Records is
    (based on my experiences in their 2 New York and one Washington,
    D.C. stores), they don't necessarily carry every title, nor is every
    title they do carry in stock.  If you want to talk about what Tower
    stocks, don't confuse that with what's actually being released.
878.6Hints on shopping at a TOWER Records storeWCSM::ECTORThank God & Greyhound, you're goneFri Sep 18 1987 21:3929
    
    
    This could be a redundancy of a note I entered in the RECORDS conference,
    but I believe bears repeating here. I live very close to a TOWER
    in Campbell, Ca., and am about 23 miles from the one in Palo Alto.
    Usually, I can be found Thursday evenings (payday) in either or
    both. After doing business with them for 15 years or so, I've learned
    that even tho' they're a chain, the local manager(s)/buyer(s) have
    pretty much free reign, once the current Top 40
    (CW/CLASSICAL/ROCK/SOUL) are stocked. If they are short on specific
    or seemingly popular items, then the daytime manager(s) need to
    be approached. You can usually tell what kind of TOWER it is, by
    the sales people manning the cash register - if they have Grateful
    Dead shirts on, they probably have good oldies and crossover country.
    If they're wearing Clash, AC/DC or Dokken shirts, the H/M is probably
    plentiful. Chuckle if you will, but I know that if I want oldies
    or jazz, I shop in Palo Alto - if I'm looking for off the wall stuff,
    classical or current rock, I shop in Campbell.
    
    TOWER will order too (they stopped this policy for awhile), but
    you need to return to pick it up. Don't wait for them to call. Another
    policy TOWER follows faithfully is, any newly released CD/LP is
    $1-$2 off the suggested (or normal) retail the 1st week the store
    carries it - so if you're into new music, ask a clerk for their
    new release list and write down what you're interested in.
    
    				The Cruiser