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Title:Welcome to the CD Notes Conference
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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
Last Modified:Fri Mar 03 1989
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1517
Total number of notes:13349

857.0. "REMASTER=NEW VERSION?" by JOULE::PINEAU () Tue Aug 11 1987 20:03

    I recently bought the cd version of the Rolling Stones first greatest
    hits album High Tides and Green Grass.  When I was listening to it
    one of the songs (I think it was Time is On My Side) didn't sound
    right.  I got out the album and sure enough it was an entirely
    different version of the song from album to cd.  Is this a common
    occurance?  I have ~ 50 cds of which ~30 of them duplicate albums
    I own and this is the first time I've run into it.
    
    
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857.1I hate when that happens, I think???CYBORG::MORRELLWed Aug 12 1987 11:2120
    
       Let me tell you where it (the different version) comes from,
    the version on the cd is the vrsion on the original lp the song
    comes from (I believe it,s 12x5). The version on the greatest hits
    lp is the single version. between the beatles and the stones this
    happens all the time. I guess what we all will have to do is buy
    the HOT ROCKS series on cd to get the single versions. Also the
    two cd's HIGH TIDES and GREEN GRASS , THROUGH THE PAST DARKLY
    are both the U.K. issues (even a west german cd) and have the songs
    that were issued on the U.K. records.
        Great cd's to have though,sound really good,all thier cd's sound
    really good and just think you don't have to wait for the next issue
    thier all on the market now (except for metamorphosis). And the
    first four aren't in mono either.
    
          Sorry for all the typing errors I had to hurry.
     
                                      "HAPPY" listening
                                                 Charlie
    
857.2TUSK has it's teeth trimmed.SKYLRK::WALSHTue Aug 25 1987 13:599
    This change from record to CD also occurred on Fleetwood Mac's TUSK
    CD.
    
    The song "Sarah", for which I bought the CD, is 4 minutes shorter
    on the CD than the album.
    
    It's a clear case of the CD definitely not being equivalent to the
    album.  However, the CD is over 60 minutes in length.  Perhaps they
    shortened it to fit on CD.
857.3AKOV68::BOYAJIANScience Is GoldenWed Aug 26 1987 02:4411
    re:.2
    
    Over 60 minutes? It's just shy of the capacity (74 minutes)
    of the CD. I'm of two minds on this one. It's nice to have
    the thing on only one CD, and they did trim only a couple of
    minutes, but they could've picked a "better" song than "Sara"!
    
    I haven't checked, but I'm willing to bet that the CD version
    of "Sara" is the 45 rpm version.
    
    --- jerry
857.4Early Stones: CD failurePATSPK::MGINGRASNOW I TRY TO BE AMUSED . . .Mon Sep 21 1987 23:0024
    
    I just read note 857.1 and I thought I'd comment on something I
    noticed on the "Through the Past Darkly" CD.  A friend loaned it
    to me to preview, and about half way through the songs, my ears
    started registering that something was wrong.  So I pulled out my
    old, original vinyl copy, and sure enough, my ears were right.
    The CD sounded like some of the songs were in mono.
    
    I cued the record to "Honky Tonk Women" and started both versions
    at the same time.  The difference really jumped out switching back
    and forth between them.  On the record, the rythmn guitar starts
    in the left speaker, the lead guitar joins in on the right, and
    Mick starts singing in the middle of your head.  On the CD there
    was virtually no separation.  I found that to be true on 5 of the
    11 songs.  All the songs from "Between The Buttons" and "Their Satanic
    Majesties Request" sounded good.  Based on that audition, the only
    original studio albums I will purchase are those two.  I'm afraid
    to buy any of the others and be sadly disappointed.
    
    Is there anyone who owns any of these CDs and has compared them
    to the original vinyl versions?
    
                    Marty
    
857.5REGENT::SCHMIEDERTue Sep 22 1987 14:1115
I might have mentioned this in the RECORDS conference, but I have done some 
Stones comparisons, although not necessarily ones you are looking for.

The Hot Rocks CD is different from the remastered vinyl.  I believe that the 
CD is stereo and that much of the remastered vinyl is not.  The remastered 
More Hot Rocks vinyl is weird sounding, as was most of the vinyl.  The Hot 
Rocks CD sounds more like the original vinyl to me than the remastered vinyl.

I am not sure exactly what they did.  But I am currently mulling over which 
CD's to buy, as well as being depressed at having wasted money of the 
remastered vinyl (my originals are probably fourth hand purchases, and are 
barely listenable even by my forgiving standards).


				Mark