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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
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684.0. "Jackson Browne's "The Fuse" cut short" by CASEE::CLARK (Ward Clark) Sat Mar 21 1987 13:07

    I've been a Jackson Browne fan for a long time.  On a recent trip to
    the States, I was thrilled to find that all of his earlier albums have
    been released on CD.

    I was less thrilled with the recording of "The Fuse" on the "Pretender"
    album.  I don't have the LP for comparison( it's in storage), but I'm
    certain that the end of the song has been chopped off on the CD. 

    Before I send a note to Asylum, could someone with both LP and CD
    confirm the butchering of "The Fuse".

    -- Ward
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684.1How long is the instrumental part on your CD?CLT::GOODMichael GoodTue Mar 31 1987 23:2114
    Since no one has replied who has both the LP and the CD...
    
    I have the LP of The Pretender but not the CD.  "The Fuse" has about
    90 seconds of instrumental after the last "Say yeah... Yeah, yeah"
    phrase.  Is that longer than on the CD?
    
    I have 3 Jackson Browne CD's - Jackson Browne, Late for the Sky, and
    Running on Empty.  There are no problems with the music on any of those
    CD's.  The tracks are done wrong on Running on Empty, though.  For
    example, Stay is lumped together with The Load Out, and the intro to
    The Load Out is put at the end of the preceding track.  No lyrics are
    included either.

    Michael
684.2The Load Out + Stay = 1 songCASEE::CLARKWard ClarkWed Apr 01 1987 04:4812
    .1> The tracks are done wrong on Running on Empty, though.  For
    .1> example, Stay is lumped together with The Load Out, and the intro
    .1> to The Load Out is put at the end of the preceding track. 

    I suspect that the lack of a separate track for "Stay" is that the two
    songs run together and it was not possible to find an appropriate
    beginning for "Stay".

    Putting the intro for "The Load Out" on the previous track was an
    artistic blunder.

    -- Ward (whose favorite J.B. song is "The Load Out")
684.3Mobile Fidelity _vinyl_ ends abruptlyCASEE::CLARKWard ClarkWed Apr 29 1987 05:3721
From:	EXODUS::LEVY  "Jon Levy"
    
    Regarding "The Fuse," from Jackson Browne's album "The Pretender":
    
    I own the Mobile Fidelity half-speed mastered _vinyl_ version of
    this recording, and it exhibits the same abrupt ending as your CD.
    Although I haven't checked this, I'd be willing to bet that the
    standard LP version is _shorter_ than the "abrupt ending" version,
    the difference being the choice of the remastering engineer not
    to impose the fade-out that was _added_ *after* the final two-track
    master tape was created.
    
    I wonder if the fade-out was something JB asked for after mixdown, or
    was imposed by someone at Asylum?
    
    Jon Levy
    
    P.S. I intend on picking up the CD version sometime soon.
    
    Feel free to post the relevant parts of this message to the note
    file... 
684.4CD version seems shorter than LP versionCASEE::CLARKWard ClarkWed Apr 29 1987 05:5415
    I was able to compare a taped copy of the LP release of "The Fuse" with
    my new CD release.

    I first tried just listening to the two endings, one after the other.
    I found it impossible to tell which was longer because the the song
    ends with a long, repeating instrumental figure.

    I then tried playing the two in parallel, quickly switching back and
    forth.  Since the tape and CD didn't run at the same speed, it was
    tricky to keep them synchronized (by occasionally pausing the slightly
    faster CD).  After several attempts, it seemed to me that the abrupt
    end to CD version of "The Fuse" is due to about 5 seconds being chopped
    off.  What's lost is 5 seconds of fading instrumental.

    -- Ward
684.5Same length, but no fade-out on CDBAVIKI::GOODMichael GoodThu Sep 29 1988 13:2710
    Despite the warning in this note (or maybe because of it?) I picked up
    a CD copy of The Pretender.  I counted the measures after the last
    "yeah, yeah" chorus in "The Fuse".  In both the CD and LP versions
    there are 48 measures.  The difference is that there is a fadeout in
    the LP but not in the CD.  Since the abrupt ending sounds pretty bad,
    and  Asylum claims to be trying to duplicate the original recording as 
    much as possible, I'd claim this is a defective CD.  (I think they also
    cut off the beginning of the attack of the first chord in "Here Come
    Those Tears Again".)  I'm going to try to exchange this as a defective
    CD.