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    I know what you mean about "666" - I wonder how Jerry feels having
    his note being the "number of the beast." 
    
    Can you give us a little more info on Kate Bush? Folks I know either
    love her or hate her, but I've never listened to her music - can
    you describe it? I'm an adventurous sort, but I hate to buy costly
    CD's blind.
    
                         Thanks,
    
    
                                    --Ken
    

    Re: .1

    Well, I'm not Rob, but I'll answer anyway (sorry, Rob) . . .

    I hear that you either love Kate or hate her, but personally I
    can't see how anyone could hate her.  Of course, who am I to
    speak since I love her . . .

    Anyway, the quickest answer to your question I can think of is
    this:  "Buy her first album (`The Kick Inside') on CD."  I'd say
    that it's probably her most accessible album.  That's not to say
    that it's less than perfection, of course.  I've heard every album
    except `The Dreaming', and I can tell you that I like her first
    the best.

    I would *not* get `The Whole Story' (a recent compilation) first.

    I also have a video of Kate `Live at Hammersmith Odeon'.  Superb.

    I've been staring at an import of `The Dreaming' for weeks.  The thing
    costs $20.  I'm waiting for the EMI-America release, which should be
    out any day now.

    re:.2 re:.1
    
    I like her stuff, too, but I would recommend LIONHEART as a
    first try. I didn't think her voice was up to snuff on her
    first album.
    
    Anyways, she does a mixture of styles --- avant garde, ballad,
    progressive folk, and so on --- and resists pigeonholing.
    
    --- jerry
    
    P.S. 666? I hadn't even noticed.

    
    well...I *would* recommend "The Whole Story" for a first time buyer
    *because* Kate's music is so varied.  I dislike "The Kick Inside"
    as an LP, "Hounds Of Love" however is *brill*!  Get the compilation
    and you get practically every aspect of this lady's great talent,
    then decide on your individual LP purchases.
    
    				Ian!
    
                                    
    P.s. ...honestly, I just don't believe you guys, "666" indeed, don't
    you *know* there's no such thing as>ZAAAAAAPPP!< >AARGH!< >THUD!<....:-)
    
                                                                            

        
        As you can see from the previous replies, opinions on Kate
        vary as much as her music.
        
        Info on Kate: (you asked for it...)

        Kate writes all her own material, primarily on piano and Fairlight
        CMI (Computer Music Instrument).  Her voice has a four octave
        range - some think a little too high in places. She studied
        dance and coreographs her own songs for live shows (one extensive
        tour of Europe in '79) and videos (of which commercial tapes
        exist).
        
        My first taste of Kate's voice came from her backing tracks
        on Peter Gabriel's 3rd eponymously titled L.P.; she's on
        `Games without Frontiers' and `No Self Control'.  Hearing
        these and respecting Gabriel's taste for fellow artists
        I bought her first album, "The Kick Inside".  It was nearly
        a year before I listened to it a second time.
        
        "Kick" was recorded when she was 17, with most of the material
        having been written before she was 14.  One track, `The Man
        With the Child in His Eyes', was recorded by David Gilmour
        when she was 15.  For the most part, this album, and the 2nd
        ("Lionheart"), seem geared for the british pop mainstream.
        The production is very thick, lots of strings and other standard
        tricks.  I have grown to love the innocence expressed over some very
        adult themes.
        
	Her third album, "Never For Ever", has Kate beginning to take
        the production into her own hands; this is also the first
        record she released after having met Gabriel.  There is a 
        definite change in direction starting to show with the usage
        of non-traditional pop instruments and arrangements.
        
        Kate's first solo production effort was "The Dreaming".  I
        have found that people either love or hate this record.  Because
        of this record, I became a Kate Bush fan.  The British press
        panned it, calling it over-produced, pretensious, and self-centered.
	I think there are many strong emotional statements of someone
        who has been deeply scarred and is now coming of their own.
        The production is incredible - the title track with its digeridu
        backing and dual vocal lines tells a twisted tale of the
        aboriginal plight, `Houdini' - winding fretless bass lines
        pivoted with the shreik in the mind of his wife as Harry is
        dropped into the water tank bound in chains.  Sure it's complex,
        but it makes one think.  There are many subtle nuances which I
        didn't hear until I bought the CD.

        "Hounds of Love" was the first American entrance into the charts.
        MTV airplay of `Running Up That Hill' didn't hurt.  I think
        this is a great record, but I would still have to agree with
        Kate herself and say that the fourth is the best.

        The previous reply gave some sound advice: if you'd like to
        taste a bit of each, "The Whole Story" is a good buy.  I can't
        expect everyone to appreciate her as much as I.
        
        Thanks for reading my ramblings,
        
        	Rob, LA780::LEAS

    About two years ago, cable network USA used to have special on Kate
    Bush in their week-end late night show of Night Flight.  I believe they
    had produced at least two or three of them and would certainly be a
    worth to take a look.
    
    Her videos were quite fascinating.  I wonder if those are available
    on video disks. 

    - Vikas

re .-2 

	I believe Kate Bush is also on Peter Gabriel's last
album, SO. The song is ``We do what we're told'' subtitled
something about milgram 37.
 
MTV was running her video ``Experiment IV'' (I think that's
the name, it's about ``a sound that would kill at a distance'')
                     
I *have* to get some CDs!!

-marc

        
        `Experiment IV' is the only track on "The Whole Story" not
        on any previous LP; `Wuthering Heights', the #1 British single
        from "The Kick Inside", has a recently rerecorded vocal track.
        The difference is amazing, her voice has matured incredibly.
        
        Kate and Gabriel duet on the track `Don't Give Up' from "So".
        Has anyone seen the video get any airtime in the states?
        Beautiful song... it was released as a single in the UK, but
        not here.  They may have changed their mind as I recently heard
        a rumor that Kate has signed on to Geffen, Pete's current label.
        
        I am quite sure Kate is not on `We Do What We're Told' (Milgram's
        37).  For the curious, the title refers to the 37% of Dr.
        Milgram's experimentees who refused to administer shock treatment
        to their subjects.  There was a TV special about it several
        years ago starring William Shatner as Dr. Milgram.
        
        But I digress...
        
			Rob

    re:.8 re:.7
    
    "We Do What We Are Told" definitely does not feature Kate on
    backup vocals. She only sings on "Don't Give Up". I don't
    off-hand recall who does sing on "WDWWAT". Laurie Anderson's
    name rings a bell, but I think she may have just co-written
    the song. I'll check.
    
    --- jerry

    Re: .8
    
    What ?! 'Don't give up' not had airtime in the States ? We have
    seen it here in Europe (I live in Finland) at Sky Channel and
    Music Box satellite channels very often.
    
    I have always thougt that a very popular song/video in Europe/USA
    always gets at least _some_ attension on the other continent too.
    
    Juha

    
    
    Kate Bush/Peter Gabriel both won major awards at the British
    Phonographic Industry's annual ceremony in London at the end of
    January.  Deservedly so I think, for both artists to come "out of
    the cold" after so long with such brilliant material has *got* to
    be worth a medal or two!
    
    					Ian!
    

I think that the only time US audiences saw the
Don't Give Up video was at the end of Entertainment Tonight.
The particular show featured an interview with Peter Gabriel;
he gave the interviewer a copy of the video and permission to
show it.  It was a good video; I'm supprised that empty vee
hasn't picked it up yet.  Perhaps they are waiting for Big Time
to die (they do like to play songs to death).

R.

	pg has been performing "We Do What We're Told" since 1982 (mostly
	calling it by its alias, "Milgram's 37").  I was very surprised
	to see it surface on `So' after so many years.

        
        Not to get picky, but I have bootlegs of Gabe's '80 tour,
        and he was doing Milgram's back then.
        I don't think there are any major guests on the "So" recording
        of the track, Laurie's only on `This is the Picture (Excellent
        Birds)'.

    re: .0  Would the original author change the title of this topic
    to "Recommending Kate Bush & Steve Hackett".  It's far more 
    descriptive to the contents of this topic.
    
    First display 667.0, then type in the modify command.
    
        The command is:
    
    MODIFY NOTE/TITLE="Recommending Kate Bush & Steve Hackett"
    
    ASP

I am also a great fan of Kate Bush. I have been a member of her fan club
for the past two years. Its the best way I have found to keep up on whats
going on with her here in the states. I personally like "Never Forever"
and "The Dreaming" the best.

Vikas: There are three laser video discs available of Kate Bush. All
are Japanese imports available through the Instant Replay in Waltham.
They are "Live at Hammersmith Odeon", "The Single File" and a new
release (havent got my copy yet), which I think is titled "The Hair
Of The Hound". It has digital sound and contains about 4 videos from
"The Hounds of Love". Rental copies of all three discs are available
for those with players who want to give Kate a try.

    
    Kate and Pete are tops !!! The import version of The Whole Story
    has dramatic sound quality improvements over the EMI America version
    ...(what's new) ...
    
    Hounds of Love is her most aggressive and introspective album by
    far. The subtle nuances and reflections of her childhood are classic!
    
    Re: 667.14 or 15 - "There are no major guests on 'So' by pg" - HA !
    
    1. Youssou N'dour is a major African rhythm artist, and was the
       opener for pg's '86 tour in the US.
    
    2. Stewart Copeland ??? 'nuff sayd 'bout a fantastic drummer &
       Policeman !
       
    3. and of course kb !
    
    p.s. - pg's version is called 'This is the Picture', while the cut
    on Laurie Anderson's 'Mister Heartbreak' is called 'Excellent Birds' .
    
    p.s.s. - on Never For Ever, kb credits pg for 'opening the windows'
          and she features some prominent studio musicians, ie:
    
    	John Giblin, Stuart Elliott and Morris Pert of 'Brand X' fame ... 
    
    EOR (end of ramble)
    
    //Andy

	Kate also did some backing vocals on `Peter Gabriel' (III),
	most notably on "No Self Control" (which, as we know, can be
	heard on the `Big Time' CD single).

	Let's all pray to the good CD god for PG I, II, III, Fripp's
	`Exposure' (for the other "Here Comes the Flood") and a nice
	B-side compilation CD.

	Kate also sang on the `Peter "The Angel" Gabriel' pic-boot.

    
    "pic-boot" ?
    

    Re: .-1

    > "pic-boot" ?

    Yeah.  I took the liberty of making that word up.  It means:

	"BOOTleg vinyl PICture disc"

    Actually, I'm not exactly sure it's a bootleg 'cuz bootlegs usually
    don't come in the picture disc variety.  The sound quality is not far
    from that of bootlegs, though.  The weird thing is that the record
    contains some studio stuff.

    Re: .-2

    PG I, II, and III were released (on CD) a couple months ago.  Sound
    quality is better than any vinyl, but these albums (especially II)
    could stand re-mixing.

    I realize this topic has been dormant for a few months but I've
    recently started to do some serious listening to Kate Bush and I
    am falling hard for her ...
    
    A co-worker/friend made a cassette for me from his collection of
    Kate Bush CD's.  Side A of the tape is "Hounds Of Love" and Side
    B is "The Kick Inside".  Also, I recently received "The Whole Story"
    CD as a gift.
    
    This woman's voice is astonishing.  My first reaction was that the
    windshield of my car was going to explode a la Ella Fitzgerald and
    "Is it live or is it Memorex ??"              
    
    At this point, I prefer 'The Kick Inside" to the "Hounds Of Love".
    "Wuthering Heights" is hypnotic.  Does anyone have the words to
    that song??  I would be most grateful if someone did and took a
    few minutes to enter them here.
    
    Also, "Oh To Be In Love" and "Room For The Life" are my two other
    favorites from "The Kick Inside".  "Hounds Of Love" is very good
    but I'm wearing out "The Kick Inside".
    
    So, a favor to ask ??  What would you buy next if you were me???
    
    Thanks.
    
    Bob Hunt
    
    P.S.  I have to admit that I have *never* heard anybody use the
    words "strange phenomena" in a song before. 

    re:.21
    
    Try LIONHEART.
    
    --- jerry

    Re: .21
    
    I find that each of Kate Bush's albums are different, and yet I
    like them all.  I don't have The Kick Inside on CD, but all her
    other CDs have the lyrics included so if you want the words then
    you should consider buying it.
    
    Re: .22
    
    Lionheart is good and it is along similar lines to "The Kick
    Inside", which means that .21 will probably like it.  I think
    "Never For Ever" is her most unusual album the only thing I do
    not like about it is that it's to short.
    
    Martin H.

    'The Dreaming' is Kate Bush at her best. Sheer genius. She really
    makes effective use of the Fairlight here, which she only began
    to do on 'Never For Ever'. I find 'Lionheart' to be her weakest
    album. I guess that first listen really makes a difference as to
    how people listen to her other albums, since, as mentioned before,
    none of her albums are alike. My order of preference;
    
    		The Dreaming
    		Hounds of Love
    		Never For Ever
    		The Kick Inside
    		Lionheart
    
    Ken....
    
    PS. I'll type in the words to 'Wuthering Hights' tonight, if someone
        doesn't beat me to it. They'll be the version off of "The Kick
        Inside" (as opposed to the new ones on 'The Whole Story' which
    	I don't have).
    

    re: .24
    
    Yep.  I'll second that.  My $0.02 worth goes something like this:
    
    "The Dreaming" -- must be played on an excellent home system and
                      LISTENED TO CLOSELY.  No, you can't read the evening
                      newspaper with this on in the background!  It's
                      a coin-toss for me as to which is better, this
                      album or "Hounds of Love", but I think this one
                      is a little less "commercial" than HOL so on most
                      days (like this one) it comes in first.
    
    "Hounds of Love" -- tracks 1-5 are FANTASTIC for putting on your
                        car's cassette deck and blasting down the hiway.
                        The remaining tracks are more in the flavor of
                        "The Dreaming" but not as intense and are suitable
                        for casual listening (say, after dinner).
    
    "Never For Ever" -- very experimental, fairly early Kate Bush.
                        Great in most settings but probably too soothing
                        for hiway driving (i.e. "Delius", "Army Dreamers").
    
    
    That's all I have for now.  The jury's still out in my mind as to
    whether I should pick up "Lionheart" and/or "The Kick Inside" due
    to mixed reactions from fellow KB aficionados.
    
    FWIW,
    David.

    re: .23 & .24
    
    I have "The Dreaming" on CD and think it's a great album.  I'm
    not sure whether I like it better than any of her other albums.
    However, I still think "Never for Ever" is more unusual.
    
    Since "Hounds of Love" came out in '86 it seems just about time
    for a new Kate Bush album.  Has anyone heard any rumors?
    
    Martin H.

    re: .26
    
    	The latest issue of 'Homeground' (one of many Kate Bush fan
    	mags) speculates that the 6th album will be released in
    	September. It is widely known that Kate has been in the studio
    	for the last six or so months working on it.
    
    re. .25
    
    	I'm not saying that 'Lionheart' is *bad*. Just that in relation
    	to the other albums, it's not as interesting. 'Never for Ever'
    	is very good, though. Get 'em.
    
    Ken....
    

		Wuthering Heights

	Out on the wiley, windy moors
	we'de roll and fall in green
	You had a temper, like my jealousy
	to hot, to greedy
	How could you leave me?
	When I needed to possess you
	I hated you, I loved you, too
	Bad dreams in the night
	they told me I was going to lose the fight
	Leave behind my wuthering, wuthering, Wuthering Heights

	Heathcliff, it's me, Cathy come home
	I'm so cold, let me in-a-your window
	
	Oh it gets dark, it gets lonely
	on the other side from you
	I pine alot, I find alot 
	falls thru without you
	I'm coming back love, cool Heathcliff
	my one dream, my only master
	Too long I roam in the night
	I'm coming back to his side to put it right
	I'm coming home to wuthering, wuthering, Wuthering Heights
	
	(Chorus)
	
	Oh let me have it, let me grab your sole away
	Oh let me have it, let me grab your sole away
	you know it's me, Cathy
	
	(Chorus)

(copied without permission)

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Subject: New Kate Bush album to be called "An Unearthly Child"
Posted: 1 Apr 88 22:10:22 GMT
Organization: Love-Hounds Anonymous
Approved: [email protected]
 
Really-From: [email protected] (Jim Poltrone)
 
Got his piece of news from someone I know in Britain (no, not IED):
 
After three years since her album "Hounds of Love", famed British 
performace artist Kate Bush has gone into studio to work on her most
recent album, tentatively titled "An Unearthly Child".  The album
is scheduled to be released on 23 November 1988, the date which
lots of people remember as the 25th anniversary of "Doctor Who".
 
For twenty-five years, the time lord has been flying through
our skies, and our TV sets.  Recently, the programme has not been
one of the BBC's most popular shows, and some people have been
leery that the programme would eventually be cancelled.
 
However, according to the show's producer, John Nathan-Turner, there
are plans for this season to be one of the best. "We're very confident 
that this will be a banner year for the programme", said Nathan-Turner.
"In fact, to co-incide with the release of Kate's album, she is going to 
have a guest role in one of the stories this season.  In fact, it's the
first appearance of a musical artist since the Beatles over twenty years
ago.  One of my production unit managers, Gary Downie, has been a fan
of Kate for some time now, and he's looking forward to working with her."
 
Kate herself is thrilled with being associated with the programme.  "I
remember seeing the very first Doctor Who, in November of '63.  In fact,
I used to hide behind the sofa a lot when the Daleks first appeared.
John always used to taunt me about that.  Since then, he's been following
the show more closely than I have been.  But it was Paddy's idea that
I appear on the show, after Bonnie [Langford] had her stint.  He said
'You can do better than that'.  So I talked to my agent about it, and
he rang up Mr. Nathan-Turner."
 
"It was after I landed the part that I thought of using Doctor Who as
the basis for my latest album.  I used to think of myself as Susan --
the first companion -- and what it would be like to travel through time
and space from a child's point of view.  Each of the songs are going to
be filled with a feeling of wonder and innocence."
 
BBC-1 controller Jonathan Powell, when asked about the programme's
future, said "This doesn't mean we're changing the direction of Doctor
Who into a song-and-dance variety show.  We still plan on keeping the
drama as the main feature.  I feel having Kate Bush on the programme
is a major coup for us, and given her popularity, it will mean a
higher share of the ratings for the programme."
 
 (From the _Guardian_, 1 April 1988)
 
 Christopher Webb
 Manchester Data Centre
 webb.mdc.waterman.com.uk
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Ken....

    I remember seeing a Kate Bush concert on TV a couple of times
in the early eighties. There was one particular song that I liked,
but don't know what the title is. The song had lyrics with a line
something like "roll in the ball". It had a style very much like
Wuthering Heights, so it was probably from the same time period.

Does anyone know the name of the song?

-Jeff

    
    Re: .30

    The title is "Them Heavy People".
    
    It's on "The Kick Inside" (studio version)and the "Kate Bush Live" EP.

    

    re. 30
    
    thanks for the info... I think a CD purchase is in order!
    

    
    I just had to ask. I have never heard of Kate Bush.  Who does she
    sound like and what kind of music does she sing.  Name somebody
    well known so I can get an idea.  If she is this good, maybe I ought
    to try her out...
    
    Jim
    

    re:.34
    
    Sorry, but she's unlike anybody else. That's why her fans like her
    so much.
    
    --- jerry

    Ok, I'll give it a try ...
    
    Who does Kate Bush sound like ???
    
    Although she is a 100% original and sounds like nobody else, I will
    venture to say that she sounds as if ...
    
    Olivia Newton-John all of a sudden started to sing some of Stevie
    Nicks' strangest songs ...
    
    She is *MUCH* better than Newton-John but she has the same kind
    of very high voice.  And, her songs are far more bizarre than Nicks
    but she does not come across as an 'airhead'.
    
    How's that for a comparison ???
    
    Bob Hunt 

    re .30  ( " ...roll in the ball..."):
    
    She also did that song on "Saturday Night Live" waaaaaaay back
    in '77 or '78 -- maybe even '75 or '76.    That was the first
    time I ever heard of her.
    
    -Monty-

    re: .29
    
> After three years since her album "Hounds of Love", famed British 
> performace artist Kate Bush has gone into studio to work on her most
> recent album, tentatively titled "An Unearthly Child".  The album
> is scheduled to be released on 23 November 1988, the date which
> lots of people remember as the 25th anniversary of "Doctor Who".
    
    
    Considering today's date this may be jumping the gun a little, but...
    
    
    HAS ANYONE HEARD IF THIS IS STILL "ON"?  If so, will this be a general
    distribution or just select cities (and which ones)?  Any further
    info on the title, content, availability, etc. would be GREATLY
    appreciated.
    
    
    Regards,
    David.

    RE: Date for Kate's next -
    
    I think I heard on the radio just last night mention that it would
    be out in February or so (?). 

    Yes, the previous response is basically right. There was a recent
    interview of Kate in the British magazine 'New Music Express'. In
    it, she talks about recording with a Bulgarian trio and that the
    album will be out sometime in early '89. I have the text of the
    interview if anyone is interested. I don't think I can post it here,
    so I won't.
    
    The text that .38 refers to was part of an article published in
    'The Guardian' on April 1st.
    
    Ken....
    

    Re: .40:
    >  In it, she talks about recording with a Bulgarian trio
    
    Is this, perchance, any connection to the recording in 1400.0 ?
    
    I heard the same thing, but the name of the trio escapes me - wasn't
    listening too hard. Apparently she heard of them just after
    finishing the recording of "Hounds..." - too late to collaborate
    there, so only now do we get to hear.....

	I've just received the complete collection of letters Kate
	has contributed to the _Kate_Bush_Club _Newsletter_, thanks
	to Andrew Marvick and the rec.music.gaffa usenet distribution.

	There is some extremely interesting stuff here regarding the 
	origin of Kate's music. It's over 4500 lines long, so I won't
	post it here. Send me mail if you're interested in receiving it.

	Ken....

    Has anyone seen Steve Hackett's "Please Don't Touch" on CD, or know
    if it's going to be released on CD?
    
    Don