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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
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394.0. "Sony CDX5 Installation?" by RDVAX::FIRTH (Patricia Firth) Wed Jun 25 1986 00:40

     I have a Sony  XR70  Tuner  cassette  player  with  an  XE 9 Graphic 
     Equalizer Biamplified by a Proton 222 and a Sony XM55(?)

     The recent addition of a Sony CDX5 compact disc player has forced me 
     to disconnect the XE 9 and give up front rear fade control.
     
     I'm also struggling with RCA jack to din plug type interfacing!
     
     Can anyone help with ideas to reconnect all of the above?
     
     Also, even  with  my  present  hook-up  I'm  experiencing  about 30% 
     chronic skip rate.   (Especially on the Police cd's)!!!  Sounds like 
     bananananananananananananana.  Is it  an alignment problem in the CD 
     unit?
     
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394.1LATOUR::GSCOTTWed Jun 25 1986 19:519
    Is your CDX5 level?  And mounted securely?  My CDXR7 seems to be quite
    good except on CDs with a lot of dust/hair/junk on the surface. Under
    those conditions it seems to be a lot less tolerant to road
    imperfections.  (The CDX5 is the same CD transport as the CDXR7.)
    
    Could you give us a better idea of (1) where you have your RCA to
    DIN problem and (2) XR70-XE9-Proton interfacing?
                                                                    
    GAS
394.2Spagetti....RDVAX::FIRTHPatricia FirthWed Jun 25 1986 21:3422
>    Could you give us a better idea of (1) where you have your RCA to
>    DIN problem and (2) XR70-XE9-Proton interfacing?
                                                                    
Well, the CD is in the dash and mounted securely -- But. . . 

CDX5 is RCA output and converted to DIN.  The XR70 with  its  remote  amp 
switching and CDX5 override is all working properly.  XR70 preamp outputs 
are fed into the XM55 by din and converted to RCA to feed the PROTON 222.  
The CDX5's RCA jacks  go  straight to the PROTON 222's RCA inputs and are 
converted to din via Sony  adapter.  The adapter has everything converted 
except the remote switching wires.

If I remember it right, putting  the  XE9 via the din outputs between the 
CDX5 and the amps messed up the remote switching of both or all.  Anyway, 
do you know of a source for wiring  diagrams  for Sony din configurations 
or remote switching stuff??...  I would love to  chop off all these plugs 
and connections and standardize my installation.

The CDX5's single  outputs  don't  allow  for front rear fade and the only 
faders I've seen fade  after  it's amplified.  I also want to bi-equalize 
with a second XE9 as  well  as  bi-amplify,  but I want to figure out the 
remote switching ..etc..first!
394.3Is it the RTO?LATOUR::GSCOTTThu Jun 26 1986 14:3315
    So what we have for signal is
    
    CDX5(RCA)---(din)XR70(din)===(din)XE9(din)--(RCA)Proton==rear speakers  
                                         (din)--(RCA)Proton==frontspeakers
                                                  
    Is that right? I assume that the din to rca cord(s) include a seperate
    wire for the RTO (remote turn on).  When you bypass the RTO for the XE9
    and or the Proton stuff can you get signal properly through from either
    the CDX5 and the XR70?  Is it the RTO signal from the CDX5 that is at
    fault (do you have a voltmeter?)? 

    What kind of car is this?  Does it have a stiff suspension?  As I said,
    almost no trouble with skips in my car with the CDXR7.
    
    GAS
394.4RDVAX::FIRTHPatricia FirthThu Jun 26 1986 20:5519
    
    CDX5(RCA)---(din)XR70(din)===(din)XE9(din)--(RCA)Proton==rear speakers  
                                         (din)--(RCA)XM55==front speakers
                                                     ^^^^

    Yes, the RTO's are separate.   The  XR70's  RTO's  should turn on the 
    CDX5 when the CDX5 is in use, as well as the XE9 and both amps.  Both 
    preamped signals of the XR70 and CDX5 want  to  go through the din in 
    and  out  of  the  XE9 to turn it and  the  amps  on.    It  doesn't.  
    Converting  RTO's to din to go through the XE9 to  get  an  XE9  T.O.  
    (turn on) doesn't work.  Yes, by-passing the XE9 (the present set up) 
    does work.  My attempt to have the XE9 to T.O.  as well  as amps T.O.  
    and also have the XR70 override the CDX5 when its in use, has left me 
    P.O.'d ....  (Partially Obfuscated)

    Thanks for your quick reply
    
    Pat
394.5Forgot something!RDVAX::FIRTHPatricia FirthThu Jun 26 1986 21:004
BTW >  No  I  don't  have a voltmeter -- what would I do with it if I did 
have one?  Also, I'm driving a Chevy S10 pick up truck.

Pat
394.6LATOUR::GSCOTTThu Jun 26 1986 22:1628
           
    Did this work properly without the CDX5?  And am I correct in assuming
    that the CDX5 requires a RTO rather thrn furnishing one? 
    
    1) Anyway, currently do you enjoy the following?
    		XE9 out of the chain
    		CDX5 power up causes amp powerup
    		XR70 powerup causes amp powerup and CDX5 powerup(?!)
                          
    2) Is it possible to bypass the XE9's RTO? And then does SIGNAL make it thru
    		from XR70 to XE9 and the amps when in radio/tape mode
    		from CDX5 to XE9 and the the amps in CD mode

    If that works, maybe you want this; RTO everything after the XR70
    from the XR70.
    
                              /----------------rto---------v
    CDX5(RCA)---(din)XR70(din)=RCA/RCA=(din)XE9(din)--(RCA)Proton==rear 
                             \          /      (din)--(RCA)XM55==front 
                              \-----rto--------------------^
    
                               
    The din-RCA/RCA-din could be accomplished by figuring out the din pin
    for RTO and splicing in a wire to go to the amps.  With a voltmeter it
    would be a simple matter to tell when the RTO signal is on the din
    connectors.  You could also sense the RTO signal at each point in the
    chain; you can then tell who is dropping the RTO and bypass that
    point.