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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
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375.0. "A Vacuum Tube CD Player!" by CRVAX1::KAPLOW (Bob Kaplow - DDO) Wed Jun 04 1986 02:30

        While at the high end CES, I saw a product that I had heard about
        in jest, but never really thought anyone would actually make.
        Well, a company called ?California Audio? or something like that
        was exhibiting a vacuum tube CD player, based on the same Magnavox
        player that everyone else is modifying. List price is $1900. Dave
        Parker, are you listening?
        
        I also saw at in one other display, where they were using it as a
        source to demo some other product. I really didn't spend enough
        time listening (on unfamiliar systems) to it to properly judge it,
        and after being blasted all day, I am not sure that it was
        possible to judge products in those conditions. Bad still sounded
        bad, no matter what, but it was hard to tell the good from the
        very good from the great. 
        
        Another surprise was YAMM (yet another modified magnavox) from
        Sonographe, which is part of conrad johnson. 
        
        By far the most popular CD player at the show was the PS Audio
        CD-1. I would guess that 80-90% of the folks who didn't have a CD
        player of their own were using this one. 

        The high end equipment was at two hotels near the loop, the mass
        market products were all over at McCormick place. The marketing
        differences were obvious. At the magnavox display at McC, a (very
        good looking) blonde who didn't know a capacitor from a
        paperweight told us about the new "Favorite Track" memory. Lew
        Johnson told us about his CD player, as did Paul (the P in PS)
        McGowan. I only spent an hour at McCormick, then ran for ear
        plugs. 
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375.1Ahh! Now this has Nirvana potential!NCCSB::DPARKERDave Parker - NCO SWSThu Jun 05 1986 09:427
        Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle!  Were they serious, Bob, or
        just showing a demo and blowing smoke?  Maybe I'll stop waiting
        for ARC to come out with a player (at double the price, no
        doubt) if this thing is real and good.  Time to call my dealer
        and get him to order a demo unit!
        
        Dave
375.2This is NOT April first!CRVAX1::KAPLOWBob Kaplow - DDOThu Jun 05 1986 13:304
        They appeared dead serious enough that another company was also
        using as an input on their system. I wish I had picked up some of
        the literature on it. Maybe Mark got some. He stayed for the whole
        show, I was there Sunday only. 
375.3AMBER::KAEPPLEINThu Jun 05 1986 15:0828
    Well, I'm back from the show and did get lit on the California Audio
    Labs CD player.
    
    Almost every CD player in use at the High-end rooms were modified
    Magnavox 2040s or 2041s.  They included the Sonographe
    (conrad-johnson), Audioquest, American Audio, Distech, PS, Musical
    Concepts, Melos, Cambridge Audio, Meridian, and I think Convergent
    Technologies (can't remember off-hand).
    
    I got to compare the PS with the Distech and Musical Concepts. 
    The Musical Concepts sounded the best, with the PS second (though
    the Distech was softer and easier to listen to).  I had a look inside
    both the PS and the Distech.  The Distech is a real rip-off at $1200
    with only $30 of extra parts put inside a $169 Magnavox 2040.
    
    The tube unit was reputed to sound better than the PS, but we didn't
    get around to comparing it with Musical Concepts' machine (though
    I tried).
    
    There was another player at the show.  The M.A.N. speaker folks
    had a modified Kenwood player they claimed beat the tubed player,
    but logistics were tough to compare it with the Musical Concepts'
    also.  Their machine wasn't really an available product either.
    
    The California Audio people were a little protective of their machine.
    They didn't have the covers off (fortunately tubes need air-flow
    though!) and would not allow close pictures.  The parts looked decent
    and I think they had 6 6DJ8 tubes inside.
375.4How do you implement ECC in tubes?WHICH::YERAZUNISFri Jun 06 1986 12:207
    Well, at least the California Audio CD player is EMP-proof (or did
    they use a nasty harsh-on-the-ears semiconductor laser instead of a 
    nice warm-sounding right-thinking gas laser?). 
    	
    Did they build their D/A converters out of tubes too?
                                           
    
375.5I'm gonna buy stock in PG&E...REMEDY::KOPECgoing, going...Fri Jun 06 1986 12:344
    Hmmm... I think we may have found a use for an AN/FSQ-7.... maybe
    the computer museum should get in on this...
    
    							...tek
375.6Hey, Dave, the Tempest sounds GREAT!CRVAX1::KAPLOWThere is no 'N' in TURNKEYSun Nov 30 1986 19:1130
        This weekend I found a CAL Tempest dealer in the Chicago area, and
        got the chance to listen to the Tempest for a couple hours. My
        reference player was a Musical Concepts modified Magnavox 2041.
        Previously, my wife and I had compared the MC to other high end
        players; MC had bested the new 16 bit NAK OMS-7A, but was not
        quite as good as the 14 bit PS player, contrary to Marks earlier
        comments. The MC was closer to the NAK than the PS in performance. 

        Well, if the PS was close, the Tempest was no contest! Dave, if
        you have been driving all your ARC gear with your D-5, you will
        LOVE the Tempest. While my wife had to listen for several minutes
        to identify the differences between the MC and the PS units, the
        differences were almost instantly obvious with the Tempest. 

        It was also my first chance to seriously listen to ARC
        electronics; the Tempest was connected to an SP-11, and a D-115,
        and driving ProAC EBS monitors. Cables appeared to be all MIT. The
        only fault we heard in the system was a bit of tube noise on the
        quiet passages of the CDs. 

        Now Dave, don't rush out yet to buy one of these beasts. For the
        Winter CES, CAL is supposed to have a new player, based on the new
        16 bit Magnavox 650, which should take things aother leap forward.
        My guess is that it should only add a small increment on the
        price, probably around $2000 total. 

        Anyone in the Chicago area, that wants to contribute to excess Con
        Ed profits can check this system out at Rosine Audio, 4525 Oakton,
        in Skokie. The store is brand new, having just moved out of Mr.
        Rosine's home. They have some nice equipment, and a helpful staff. 
375.71987 CES - Tempests everywhere!CRVAX1::KAPLOWThere is no 'N' in TURNKEYMon Jun 01 1987 13:058
        Well, its a year later, and the CES is going again. This year
        almost every high end exhibitor with a CD player has the Tempest!
        I'd estimate it was the single most widely used component at the
        high end show. Unfortunately, CALs room was closed the day I went,
        so I didn't get to see or hear the new (cheaper) Aria.
        
        BTW, last years big CD player, the PS Audio, was nowhere to be
        seen, even at PS! 
375.8I wonder....SNDCSL::SMITHIEEE-696Thu Sep 15 1988 09:236
    Hmm, you know there's room in the Sony CDP-C70 for a small HeNe
    laser, maybe I should give it a try.  If you can make NAND or NOR
    gates from tubes, it should be a piece of cake to implement the
    ECC....  :+)
    
    Willie