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    Yes, your player is fuctioning correctly.  The reason that the index
    stay at 01 is because the disc you have simply don't have index
    segments.
    
    Index is a much neglected feature on discs, especially on classical.
    Some disc available are known for having outrageously many indices
    (something like an index point every few notes ;-) ) Just kidding.
    But really, most disc don't use index.  
    
    On my Sony there is a window for Track, and a window for Index.
    Usually there are only tracks, and for each track the index would
    display 01.  If the track has more than one index, then it would
    increment through all the indices, then go on to the next track.
    
    Charles
    

    
    	Thanks for the input, Charles. I was hoping my player was
    OK but at the same time hoping they weren't neglecting what I
    think could be a useful feature. 
    
    
    Rob (who still hasn't taken the time to see if the programming works)
    
    

    I have noticed that many Denon classical discs have indexes (indices?)
    that are noted in the liner notes (and the back of the jewel box). One
    of my Pink Floyd CDs also has several indexes.  
    
    I agree that the feature should be used more, particularly on longer
    tracks. I would assume that whoever does the CD mastering figures that
    "time is money" and doesn't take the time to figure out where indexes
    should go. 
    
    GAS

    Correct me if I'm wrong.  Do I understand that not all CD's are
    indexed.  I have been waiting to find a CD player on sale that
    has this index option.  Mainly because I would like to loop on 
    certain guitar leads or any other specific segment.  I would think
    this would be the musicians dream, no more FF,REW or moving the
    needle.  All the demo disc's I've listen to thusfar have had this
    Indexing.
    
    Are we talking about the same thing ?   I hope not.....
    
    
    Mike

    Apples and Oranges. Many CD players have an option to continually replay
    a range of the CD defined the operator hitting the right button at the 
    start and end of the range.
    
    The "index" feature is more like having subdirectories off the individual
    tracks: specific parts of the music tagged and so marked on the cover.
    This way, a symphonic movement would be all one track, but several 
    famous themes within the movement could be flagged with index points.

    re .5: What you probably want is a CD player that can be programmed to
    play a range of TIME rather than indexes.  For example my SLP8 can be
    programmed to play from track 1 time 2:12 to trace 1 time 2:30,
    repeating that program forever.  (You can also program it to play any
    combination of time and tracks, e.g. track 1 thru 3, track 5 index 2
    through index 5, track 6 time 2:00 to track 7 time 1:33, track 8 index
    2 to track 12 time 3:33). 
    
    GAS

    FYI -
    
    The D7 has the 'repeat' function.  You can go out into the middle
    of a field and practice your favorite instrument!
    
                                   Roak
    

    re .5, what you're refering to is generally called an
    "A-B repeat" option.

    Yup, A-B repeat it is.  Our Technics SL-P2 has it.  Allows you
    to repeat any section of the disk no matter how large or small.
    
    Gary

    The Sony D7 has it as well.  If you want to play the same 1 second
    of song over and over, you can.
    
    					Happy with my new toy
    						August G. Reinig

    
    10cc's "The Original Soundtrack" is the first CD I've ever seen the
    "Index" used, "Une Nuit � Paris" has three segments, individually
    indexed. I was surprised that the next track reset the Index to 1
    though. I somehow thought the Index numbers to be unique per disc. 
    

    
    I have a couple of disks that use the indexes, and though my player
    (Harmon/Kardon) reads out the index it will not allow you to jump
    to it.
    
    Two disks are classical with one track but multiple indices (32
    on one of them!)  Thus, the only way to move forward is to use the
    fast forward control, a real pain.  And you can't program the player
    to play certain segments of the music .
                                    
    I have a number of pop disks on which the index "0" is used much
    like separting grooves on LPs.  The time readout in index 0 is
    backwards, with negative numbers, thus counting down to the music.
    
    On these, track 1 starts at 1/1, but track 2 starts at 2/0, then
    goes to 2/1 where the music actually begins. Programming a track
    will put you either at */0 if there is a zero index or */1 where
    there isn't.
    
    On the live Jimi Hendrix CD all the in-between songs talking is
    contained in index 0, all the music in index 1, a good use for the
    indexing.
    
    I only wish my player had indexed programming, if I ever upgrade,
    I will definitely look for that feature.
            
    

I have  a Telarc disk of Bach organ works which uses indexing for individual
movements  within  a  piece; for example, if track 4 is a prelude and fugue,
index  4.0  might be the prelude and 4.1 the fugue. My Maggie 1051 allows me
to  jump  to  the index number, too, although the way you have to do it is a
pain. 

Despite having disks with indexing and a player with the capability, I don't
think I've ever bothered. Don't know how much I'd worry about it when buying
a player. Lots of other things are more important.

>re:Note 361.16
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>My Maggie 1051 allows me to  jump  to  the index number, too, although the
>way you have to do it is a pain. 

My Pioneer PD7010 has the capability to go back and forth through indexes
just like it was a track.  Along with a next/previous track button, it has
a next/previous index button on both the unit and the remote.  Although I
don't have a lot of discs with indexes, it's a nice feature to have the
ability to skip indexes!

Most of the discs I own that have indexes are classical.

Don

    Re: .16
    
    If you had the CBS disc of Glenn Gould playing the Goldberg Variations
    and you had to hold dwon the audio search button for ten minutes
    to get to the 31st variation, you would wish your player had
    programming by index...or else you would wish CBS had make the %&#@$
    thing as 32 *tracks* rather than one track with 32 indices.
    

    Bruce Springsteen's live 3-CD set also uses indexes for the songs
    introduced by long stories like "The River."  The story starts at
    index 1, the song starts at index 2.