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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
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359.0. "Technological breakthrough:-)" by FREMEN::RYAN (To CD or not CD...) Thu May 15 1986 12:59

	This was a note in the latest catalog from the Columbia compact
	disk club - thought everyone would like to hear about the
	breakthrough:
	
	The 75-minute barrier has come tumbling down! As you may know,
	75 minutes was thought to be the maximum amount of music
	possible to encode on a compact disk. Now, however, a Swedish
	company has come up with a technological breakthrough, having
	successfully encoded approximately *two hours* of music on each
	of two single CDs. The extraordinary length was made possible by
	the fact that the music consisted of monaural sound, but this
	nevertheless represents an impressive result. We can only guess
	what will be achieved in future years as experiments continue.
	Looks like the possibilities for CDs are virtually open-ended!
	
	Hey, I can't wait to get "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Wish You
	Were Here" together on a single disk in mono, can you?
	
	Mike
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359.1betch Walters never though of that!THORBY::MARRAAll I have to be is what You made me.Fri May 16 1986 08:399
    
>    	Hey, I can't wait to get "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Wish You
>	Were Here" together on a single disk in mono, can you?

    "dark Side..." on the right, and "Wish You..." on the left...
    
    different...
    
    						.dave.
359.2It died...MADMAC::SWARDHave terminal, will travel /PeterThu May 22 1986 04:4110
    
    	The last word I read about this in a Swedish audio paper
    	was that when someone high up in PolyGram found out about
    	this they started looking up the spec:s for CD:s and it
    	seems to say "Stereo and about one hour playing time". And
    	after that they stopped the project. 
    
    	Another dead good idea.
    
    	>>>Peter
359.32-hour CD's???? not likely....HYDRA::FEINBERGThu Jun 05 1986 17:0332
    It is indeed technically feasible to make CD's which go beyond 75
    minutes.  The are/were two issues:
    
    1) 75 mins was chosen for marketing reasons.  What's that?  "The
    first "record" to get the Beethoven 9th on one side of one disk".
    Ergo, 70-is mins.
    
    2) The technology is capable of closer track spacing and smaller
    pits.  However, there was a tradeoff on player cost and reliability,
    and mastering cost/frequency of bad pressings for the replicas.
    The 75 mins was chosen as a reasonable compromise.
    
    The track spacing and pit description are written into the Philips/Sony
    standard for CD, which *every* producer or players/CDs etc. is a
    
    licensee of.  These licensees can produce something else, but it
    won't be "CD" (formally).  
    
    Also, the players have very little ability to track much variation
    in the trackspacing or pit size.  What they "have" to do is specified
    in the standard.  
    
    So.....it's unlikely you'll be able to play "150 minute" CD's on
    your present CD player.
    
    (on the other hand: We made an experiment with 3M: we fabricated
    a TWO SIDED CD, of about 134 minutes total.  It worked! (It was
    also slightly to heavy for the CD standard weight and variation.
    Lots of concern for burned out drive motors.)
    
    /don feinberg
    
359.475 x 2 = 150WBCN::APPELLOFCarl J. AppellofFri Jun 06 1986 09:285
    Yah, but it sounds like the double length CD produces mono sound.
    Flip your balance control to the left for the first 75 minutes,
    then flip it to the right for the next 75 minutes.  Is that the
    way it works? (Kind of like bilingual stereo TV).
    
359.5AMBER::KAEPPLEINFri Jun 06 1986 18:0011
    re: .4
    
    NO, it works like a phono record, you flip it over and play the
    other side.  Shouldn't be a new concept :-)
    
    re: .3
    
    Concern for motor life?  really?
    What are those disk dampers everyone is comming out with going to
    do?  Mod Squad has one, and Monster Cable and Phoenix are comming
    out with ones too.