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Title:Welcome to the CD Notes Conference
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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
Last Modified:Fri Mar 03 1989
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1517
Total number of notes:13349

245.0. "Disk Reviews - Good/Bad/Ugly" by XENON::CHALTAS () Sun Jan 05 1986 09:12

How about a note string of disk reviews -- primarily for sound quality
unless the disk is a real turkey (e.g. I dislike Madonna, but I wouldn't
waste your time telling you how terribly her CD is (especially since I'm
not likely to listen to it) ).           

So, to start:

Ein Heldenleben, Richard Strauss
Sieji Ozawa, Boston Symphony Orchestra.   Philips 400 073-2

YUCH!  Sounds like a severe botch of multi-miking-mania.  In addition,
the recording level is much lower than usual.  Nicely played, for what
it's worth.

-------------------

The Firebird, Igor Stravinsky
Seiji Ozawa, Boston Symphony Orchestra.    EMI CDC 7 47017 2

GORGEOUS!  It's hard to believe that this is the same orchestra recorded
in the same hall.  It actually sounds a bit like Symphony Hall.  It made
me realize that very little of the Firebird is actually loud, but when it
is, (the Infernal Dance) it is quite stunning.

------------------

"Brass at Walhalla" -- Music from the Ring arranged for Band.  Richard Wagner
					(various arrangers)
Philip Jones Ensemble, Elgar Howarth      London 414 149-2

Pretty good, but not great.  It sound very much as though it has been
compressed,  which seems like an idiot thing to do to a CD recording.
If you like band music, you'll enjoy this.  If you love Wagner but DONT
like band arrangements in general, you'll probably be annoyed by this.

                        
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245.1KIRIN::OREILLYSun Jan 05 1986 20:436
The Lionel Richie "Don't Look Back" album is excellent on CD...of course,
I'm new to CD's (having just purchased on last week), but of the several
that I have, I think this is one of the best technically that I've heard.

Dan

245.2AKOV75::BOYAJIANMon Jan 06 1986 03:5410
Call me unfinicky, but I have yet to buy a CD (over 60 so far), with one
exception, that I thought wasn't an excellent disk in quality of production.
The exception is OUT OF OUR HEADS by the Rolling Stones. The recording on
that one sounds very muddy. Others disks from roughly the same time period
(eg. the first two Doors albums) sounds fine.

I think the best CD I have in terms of sonic quality is Wendy Carlos'
DIGITAL MOONSCAPES.

--- jerry
245.3LAMBDA::HESTERMon Jan 06 1986 09:364
MY AIM IS TRUE by Elvis Costello is terrible.  The hiss is much more noticeable
than on the record.  Don't waste your money.

							Doug
245.4MENTOR::COTEMon Jan 06 1986 11:466
I am a bit disappointed by George Winston's "Autumn" on Windham Hill.
The lp sounded "clean" but the cd has a lot of hissssssssssssssssssssss.

(Can't beat the performance, though!)

Edd
245.5TROLL::CLINMon Jan 06 1986 13:376
The Harmonia Mundi's recording of Rameau's Suits played by William Christie
is GREAT!  The two Suits recorded are the more popular (famous) among his
suits.

Charles

245.6NRLABS::MACNEALMon Jan 06 1986 15:454
Re .4

When I put on Winston's "December" CD and close my eyes, I would swear he is 
playing live in my livingroom.
245.7MENTOR::COTEMon Jan 06 1986 16:0115
re .6   

Do you have the lp? If so, how does it compare? When playing "Autumn" on
the cd player, I notice what I can only describe (for lack of a better
term/understanding) as "harmonics" caused by sounding 2 notes together
which are not multiples of the same frequency. Sort of like the
"0-beating" method of tuning. I realize these must be present during the
original performance, but they seem rather pronounced on the cd, vs. lp.
And then there's that hiss...

Could Windham Hill have done an upgrade between these issues?

All of George Winston's performances get a "10" with me.

Edd
245.8SHOGUN::HEFFELTue Jan 07 1986 20:407
I've loved the performances on his CD's so much that I've never really noticed
a great deal of hiss.  I'm just so pleased that the piano *really sounds
like a piano*.  It's exciting!

BTW if you get a chance to see George in concert, do.  He's fun.

Gary
245.9AKOV75::BOYAJIANWed Jan 22 1986 02:2417
Two jazz discs I picked up the other day that I thought are terrific are

Flim & the BB's: TUNNEL

The Dave Brubeck Quartet: TIME OUT

The first was my first exposure to F&tBB's, and I really liked their nice,
bright style. This was a DDD disc, but I could still hear some hiss when
I cranked the volume up during quiet moments. At normal listening levels,
though, it's unnoticible.

The Brubeck is a digitally remastered version of the original TIME OUT
album. The quality on this is phenomenal. The drums, especially, sounded
uncannilly "real". And this has some of Brubeck's best material, most
notably "Take Five" and "Blue Rondo a la Turk". A must for jazz fans.

--- jerry
245.10GRAMPS::WCLARKWed Jan 22 1986 08:2110
Re: -1.

I have an autographed copy of the DD (Direct Disc - not to be confused with
digital anything) version of Time Out.  Autograph aside (Brubeck lent the 
rights to use Take 5 as the name of some friend's audio store in New Haven) it 
is a super snapshot of Brubecks style in the late 70's early 80's, with some 
great tunes as mentioned in -.1 .   I didnt know know DDL (I think it was 
Direct Disk Labs) made any analog or digital tape backup copies.

Walt
245.11MSEE::BREAULTWed Jan 22 1986 12:207
  The GRP Jazz label has a number of artists, most notably Dave Grusin (the `G'
in GRP), Lee Ritenour, Billy Cobham, and Dave Valentin.   The recordings range 
from good to excellent and the musical styles vary, mostly mainstream jazz. GRP
has two `sampler' CDs if anyone should be interested.
  One GRP CD titled "In The Digital Mood" consists of origonal Glen Miller ar-
rangements redone by the current big band. It is a DDD recording and the sound
quality is superb.
245.12Q::ROSENBAUMWed Jan 22 1986 13:266
re: Time Out.

	The original LP has great sound quality (esp. for its time).  A lot
of hiss though.  How's the hiss on the CD?

__Rich
245.13SHOGUN::HEFFELWed Jan 22 1986 22:2212
re: Flim and the BB's

We too, just bought "Tunnel".   I was very impressed.  The style is crisp
and slightly quirky.  The CD medium really does this music justice.  To be
honest Jerry, I didn't notice any hiss, but I just may not have had it cranked
enough.  The best way to enjoy it is to slide on the headphones and sit back.
I tried it on Trace's D-5 and I liked it.  Jerry, have you got any experience
with the other titles in the DMP line?

Haven't seen "Time Out" but it sounds like a must.

Gary
245.14AKOV75::BOYAJIANThu Jan 23 1986 02:5125
re:.11

I have a copy of IN THE DIGITAL MOOD, and it's terrific. I understand that
the current GMO that recorded it even reproduced the same mistakes that
happened in the original recordings. I haven't tried any other GRP discs
yet, though; I've not been all that fond of what I've heard of Rittenour
or Grusin.

re:.12

I didn't notice any hiss on the TIME OUT cd, but I didn't try cranking
the volume up during any quiet moments. The clarity of the instruments
(especially on "Take Five") is phenomenal, though, especially the cymbals
on the drum set. Close your eyes, and you'd swear the Quartet was there
in the room.

re:.13

I haven't tried any other DMP discs yet. The reason it took me this long
to give F&tBB's a try is that I've had a hard time finding copies of their
discs in the Boston area. Now I'll have to try to find TRICYCLE and their
new one, which is supposed to be out this month. A few of the others look
interesting, especially Joe Beck.

--- jerry
245.15GRAMPS::WCLARKMon Jan 27 1986 09:199
Re .10

I am embarrased.   I do not have the Time Out LP. I have the A Cut Above
DD done by the New Brubeck Quartet (Dave and sons) in 1978 and autographed by 
Dave.

This disc set includes Take Five redone by the New....   Thus my error.

Walt
245.16OBLIO::FEINMon Feb 03 1986 16:168
re: .10 and .15

Thanks for the clarification.  I was about to point out (for potential new
Brubeck fans) that TIME OUT was issued about 1959 and is the essential snapshot
of Brubeck in the Fifties and Sixties.  Paul Desmond was already dead by
the late Seventies.

Mike Fein
245.17Steely Dan - 10 yearsBARAKA::FELDMANAre we having fun yet?Mon Nov 24 1986 18:2825
Ten years of Steely Dan

Sound : Spanning	Performance : ultra tight

Includes : Black Friday, Hey Nineteen, Rikki Don't loose that number, and
11 others.

To start; I'm long time fan of the Becker/Fagan group.  Their melding of
different rhythms and musical styles into very listenable songs has kept me
buying their vinyl for years.  The fact that, Gary Katz their producer, has
also kept very high production values makes their analog work transfer well to
the digital format.  I purchased this disk as a sampler, to see if it would be
worth restocking my Dan collection in CD.  The vote is YES.  

As I listened to the songs, I did find it interesting to note that the early
works didn't quite have the same dynamics as, say, the songs from the Goucho
period. This is not to say they are poorly recorded, but merely that you should
not expect more than was on the LP in the way of sound.  For many, this will be
as much Steely Dan as they need on CD since it covers most of their mainstream
hits. For those more avid Dan fans, I'd say, save your money and get the
individual albums as you can. 


						Jim