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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
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146.0. "The CD and the Automobile" by SUMMIT::GUNNERSON () Wed Jul 03 1985 15:05

I did a directory of the notes in this file and didn't see any reference
to CDs in cars.  Does any one have any experience with the Sony or Pioneer
car CD player/receivers?  I don't mean tossing a D-5 onto the front seat,
and plugging in the earphones (illegal in Mass), I am refering to the dash
mountables.

I don't have a home CD yet, but am seriously considering the Sony CD-R7 (I think
that's the model number, anyway its the AM/FM/CD unit, not the player only) for
one of our cars.  I have to buy a stereo system for one anyway and was thinking
that it wouldn't make sense to buy cassette when I have free choice to choose
anything because I don't have a large cassette collection, just a few tapes I
have used in my cars.  One of the audio magazines did a test on this Sony unit
and said it was **THE BEST** sound they had heard from an auto stereo system.
They said it with stood road shocks better than the driver did and that the only
drawback was that the "jewel box" CD holder was nearly impossible to manage with
one hand while driving. 

Lechmere had this $700 unit on sale a week ago for $450, but I didn't run
out and buy it for three reasons:
  
  1. It's the first "generation" of car CD.
  2. Should be obvious, $450 is still a lot of money, in addition an amp would
     also have to be purchased, raising the bill still more, because this unit 
     doesn't include one.
  3. The aforementioned disc handling problem, in another magazine pictures
     of Yamaha's and Phillip's "disc caddies" were shown that would make
     handling discs easier in the car.

I don't want to wait too long, I want to hear music, but how long will I
have to wait for:

  1. The next wave of auto CDs.
  2. Lower prices.
  3. "Disc caddies".

Any comments, suggestions, options?

jlg
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146.1EIFFEL::LIONELWed Jul 03 1985 15:2216
You've already mentioned most of the points I've seen raised about car CDs.
There are some people who claim that you can't "use" the increased dynamic
range of CDs in cars because of the high noise (from the car, not the CD),
but that doesn't seem to be borne out in tests.

My sentiment is that a car CD player is an expensive gimmick at this point,
and that you would do better to buy a quality cassette deck, with at least
Dolby C, and record tapes off your home CD (if you don't have one, why are
you reading this? :-)).  In addition to the difficulty of handling CDs
in the car, you'd have to buy separate copies of the CD for home and car.
With quality cassette tape prices down to under $2, this seems silly.  (I
realize that there is some truth in saying that this infringes copyrights...)
Anyway, you should be able to get a sound from a good cassette that will
be nearly indistinguishable from a CD in an automobile.

					Steve
146.2AKOV68::BOYAJIANThu Jul 04 1985 03:0024
re:.1

Why would it be necessary to get a separate copy of a CD for car use?

re:.0

If you look in the notes (both here and in AUDIO.NOT, I believe) on the D-5,
you will see a scheme or two to wire up a D-5 and an amp to your car system.

The advantages are obvious:

	(1) You can have one player that will serve as both portable and
	    car player (and home player, too, for that matter).

	(2) Being able to remove the D-5 from the car removes temptation
	    from some weak soul to steal it.

From the discussion therein, it seems as if the D-5 performs beautifully as
a car player, and it costs much less than the regulation car player. Since
you have to buy a separate amp with a car player (I hadn't known that; it
seems rather strange that they don't have a built-in amp), you don't lose
anything by having to buy one with the D-5.

--- jerry
146.3EIFFEL::LIONELMon Jul 08 1985 08:566
My thoughts were that if you had a favorite album, that you'd keep a copy
at home and one in the car, rather than ferry your collection back and
forth.  I agree that hooking up a D5 seems like a worthwhile compromise.
The D5 Deluxe even makes that easier by not making you disconnect the
unit from your home system.
					Steve
146.4LEFTY::JACKSONMon Jul 08 1985 11:499
If you must leave your CDs in the car, leave them in the shade!  Aside from
the sunlight potentially damaging the disc, there is a possibility that the
car itself may be damaged.  Somebody from our plant left a video disc in
his car, and it focused the sunlight entering the car onto the ceiling. 
The result is that there is now a hole burned into the ceiling upholstry
of his car!  (Apparently the heat warped the disc enough to make it into
a good parabolic mirror).

			Jim Jackson
146.5GRDIAN::RIESTue Jul 09 1985 16:5613
I have a NAK 700 in my car as well as a D-5. The difference in sound between
the two is amazing (of course the D-5 sounds better). It is so noticable that
I find myself rarly listening to the cassette. If I had it to do all over again,
I would not have bought the NAK and would have gotten a car CD player instead.
They are now making carrying cases for CDs like they do for cassettes, so
toting them around is no problem. I would recommend a very good amp(s) and
speaker system(s) though if you plan on using a CD player in the car. The
increased dynamic range over a cassette coupled with the higher volume levels
associated with audio in the car can do a number on low powered amps and
cheaper speaker systems. The most increadible difference you will note is
the increased clarity and bass from the CD. I have subwoofers in my car and
if I crank the CD I can get a free back message.

146.6SUMMIT::GUNNERSONFri Aug 02 1985 17:2330
Thank you for the responses.  

I think I will forgo CD in my car and go with cassette for two main reasons:
cost and space. 

Cost.  For the price of doing CD in my car properly, I can buy a very good car
cassette unit (Sony XR780), AND a [moderately priced] home CD!  I can buy a CD
player and make tapes for both wife's and my car that will sound much better
than what I get today from my Accutrac 4000, and get to listen to CD in the
house.  (I know people would normally have a home CD first, but I had to get a
car stereo, and thought "what the heck!, where's it written home first, car
second?") It would get very expensive to have the system suggested in response
#5 with multi amps, sub-woofers, etc, to get all the benefits of CD.  And after
all that it's still in a car, not the best place to listen music.  Cassette will
suffice for my purposes. 

Space.  The car is a Fiero, not exactly a lot of extra space for the CD's
themselves (except passenger's lap and floor). In addition, mounting multiple
amplifiers and sub-woofers would be a real challenge!  The Fiero comes with
8X10s in the dash (no baffling there) and 3 inchers in the head rests (no bass
there).  No rear panel for subwoofers or larger (better shaped) speakers.  I
don't think the Fiero is the best environment to try to take advantage of the CD
dynamic range.  It would not accept the required modifications gracefully. 

In sum, I don't think for the money I can afford that CD would sound
tremendously better than a good cassette unit playing tapes that were recorded

Again, thanks

jlg