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Title:The UK Music Conference
Notice:Welcome (back) to UK_MUSIC on node MARVIN.
Moderator:RDGENG::CROOK
Created:Mon Mar 28 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1381
Total number of notes:39269

857.0. "Campaign for Live Music launched" by METSYS::COCKBURN (Craig Cockburn) Mon Jun 17 1991 17:27

The Campaign for Live Music (CALM) has been launched by Brighton musician
Trevor Kaye, who claims existing legislation means juke boxes are replacing
live music. 

Publicans are forced under the current law to obtain a special licence 
where more than two musicians are playing in a pub. The high cost of 
obtaining a licence means most landlords use recorded music instead of
live musicians.

Saxophonist Kaye reckons the law is archaic and needs reform before live
music disappears altogether from pubs.

[I have more info on this if anyone's interested]

Or, for more information, write to:

Trevor Kaye
1 East Drive
Queen's Park
Brighton
BN2 2BQ 

Tel: 0273 682 085
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857.1This is news to me....AYOV10::MDONNELLYLuckless pedestrianMon Jun 17 1991 17:4712
    
    
    >> Publicans are forced under the current law to obtain a special licence 
    >>where more than two musicians are playing in a pub. The high cost of 
    
    
    
    Does this apply in Scotland, Craig?
    
    
    Michael
    
857.2SYSTEM::COCKBURNCraig CockburnMon Jun 17 1991 17:5110
>          <<< Note 857.1 by AYOV10::MDONNELLY "Luckless pedestrian" >>>
>                          -< This is news to me.... >-

>Does this apply in Scotland, Craig?

There's no mention of Scotland in the article. I would assume it doesn't 
apply though, the procedure for granting licences to pubs is generally
different north of the border.

Craig
857.3KERNEL::IMBIERSKIFri Jun 28 1991 18:377
    I've fallen foul of this stupid law myself. We had a good jazz gig
    going in Reading which got shut down when the council caught on there
    was no licence. 
    
    Still ... there's always Karaoke 8*}
    
    Tony
857.4Keep Music LIve !!!!!!BAHTAT::CARRDave Carr 845-2317Tue Jul 09 1991 14:449
re: .-1
Tony,

I agree...Any more karaoke and people will be climbing over each other
to hear a decent band.
You have my sympathies over the lost gig.
It's a stupid law. A duo with a 1 kw PA rig and backing tapes/midi
accompaniment can cause a lot more nuisance than a small band.
*DC
857.5AYOV10::MDONNELLYLeaning against the spinWed Jul 17 1991 17:4610
    
    
    Hey, let's not lump 'backing tapes' and 'midi accompaniment together
    please.  
    
    They're totally different forms of live performance.
    
    
    Michael
    
857.6What is the Meaning of "Live" �^)BAHTAT::CARRDave Carr 845-2317Thu Jul 18 1991 12:0723
My point was that 2 people can make a lot more noise than a band...
I was not trying to slag off people who make use of Midi.

I think I see a rathole here...
IMHO, there's not a lot of difference between using backing tapes
(where the performer has pre-recorded the backing him/herself) and
using midi accompaniment (where the performer has programmed the
midi equipment him/herself). To me, it's just 2 different methods
of recording. In both cases, every performance will be identical
except for the parts added "live" e.g. lead vocal? There are going to
be no variations in tempo, arrangement etc. (intentional and
non-intentional �^)). 

However, in my view there is a lot of difference between the experience
of listening to a band (with a real live drummer) versus a "midi duo" or
an outfit using backing tapes. The latter forms of "live performance" (if
you insist) are very "safe" from the performer's point of view, all the
musically "difficult" parts can be preprogrammed or prerecorded. This
takes away for me a lot of the excitement I experience as a listener
(and would take away from the "danger" I enjoy as a playing musician).
    
Just my honest opinion (asbestos undies on, flame away!)
*DC
857.7A better performance...or a pure live one?AYOV10::MDONNELLYLeaning against the spinThu Jul 18 1991 14:2416
    
    
    It depends on how much is played live and how much is programmed.
    I use MIDI to supplement my live performance - not replace it.  In
    other words to play the parts while I'm playing other parts.  Not to
    cover the difficult bits.   
    
    Of course I realise that the 'liveness' of our performance can be
    questioned, but I can't be bothered with this "it's not rock'n'roll"
    attitude if you don't have a five piece band and drummer.
    
    It sure feels like performance to me, and it allows a bit more
    concentration on vocals.
    
    Michael
    
857.8NEWOA::SAXBYThu Jul 18 1991 14:3220
    
    Talking of the title (although NOT the actual content) of this note,
    I heard a piece on the radio about a number of American states
    legislating that concert promoters must advertise whether performers
    would be singing or lip-synching! I couldn't believe it. I checked to
    make sure it wasn't still April, but the report continued with some
    promoter saying it was a bad legislation and they shouldn't have to
    tell the public if Madonna (in this case) was going to sing or mime.
    He claimed that the public would rather she mimed than 'got short of
    breath during an extended dance sequence'! 
    
    This whole thing horrified me. Concerts, especially for the likes of 
    Madonna, Prince, The Mad bloke, etc, are far from cheap events, but
    you'd think you could at least get something out of it that Top of the
    Pops doesn't offer. Wouldn't you?
    
    If someone is going to do a 'live' performance then the least they
    could do is actually perform live!
    
    Mark
857.9ODDONE::FIDDLER_MThu Jul 18 1991 14:4011
    Who's the Mad Bloke?
    
    I agree - there is a worrying trend of moving concerts back to 'an
    overall performance concept, man'.  Pet Shop Boys are also guilty of
    this.  What did we have punk for?
    
    Mikef
    
    Prince is still a great entertainer who plays LIVE.  But the ticket
    price quoted in another note is ludicrous, unless there is an extended
    support line up.
857.10NEWOA::SAXBYThu Jul 18 1991 15:274
    
    Mad Bloke = M.Jackson (Who's Mad?) :^)
    
    Mark