Conference marvin::uk_music

Somebody said that Sinead O'Connor had a walkman on when she was singing.  
I reckoned it was a comms box, anybody think different.

Do the panel feel, like Jonathan King, that there are to many charity 
concerts going on since Live Aid started it all?

Paul

Well this panel does. Charity begins at home, anyway..

    Or at least charity begins with the individuals responsible for the
    mess anyway...
    
    I didn't see the show, except for 2 minutes of whitney, when I was
    waiting for the film, which ended up being delayed (grr gnahsh).  Who
    was on?  Were the performances up to much?
    
    Mikef

    Re's
    
    NKOTB(NO kids on the block) what a hype...these guys are terrible,
    but the little lassies seem to like'm..I wonder why.
    
    Hall&Oates...what were they doing....makin' music!? Aah was that what
    they were doing ;)
    
    Whi(p-cream)tney Houston a come-to-life black Barby doll,she acts and
    sings like plastic.
    
    I wonder how much money they have generated..........................
    
    to their bank accounts?
    
    sorry for the flame-on.
    
    Jan. 

    
    Well I only watched a small bit...
    
    Alexander O'Neill was boring (but probably ok if you like that kind of
    thing), Whatserface Craven was ok, Alison Moyet was disappointing, Tom
    Jones was pretty good, but then things really went down hill...
    
    Live from The Netherlands we got Sting and Peter Gabriel (the latter
    strutting around like a pillock and singing like a dead horse - to
    paraphrase the Beatles "You may be politically aware, but you ain't
    no singer!"). On came Sinead O'Connor, looking great as Mother Theresa,
    but at least trying to find a note. Then came The New Kids so I went
    to bed.
    
    Ok, it was in a good cause, but some of the much vaunted stars seemed
    to let it down badly. I hope they get the money, I don't think I could
    bear listening to Peter Gabriel again!
    
    Mark
    
    

    
    A short comment from a German watcher.
    
    Well, I think all those concert's are under the big shadow of Live Aid.
    The Producers and Managers are trying to kick this great show away from
    the top of all those concerts. I would say that it will never will
    happened a show like Live Aid, again. But they're still trying to do.
    
    Those concerts seemed to me like Videotapes, you can by in record
    stores. Completety arranged in Dolby Surround. Argh!
    
    No time for creativities. See the Mandela or the Kneebworth Festival,
    also Emnesty in Rio. Big Party's for people who like to watch to
    perfect arrangement. I do like Live Aid a lot more. I remember that
    bands did encores, didn't they? Remember this at The Simple Truth.
    No chance. I can't wait for the next show, to see, what the brains of
    those big organisators has produced. It will be more comercial,
    unfortunately.
    
    |PETER|_has_switched_off_after_Sting
    

    
    
    One thing that got me about the event was the supposed "Live via
    satellite" acts...
    
    Let's see....INXS down under at 9pm our time = 8-10am their time.
    		 YES, Witney, etc in the USA at 2-5am their time...
    
    Something tells me I was watching a recording of the artists playing
    live. OK, perhaps that is obvious, but the claim and all the associated
    hype that it's live via satellite was a wee bit false.
    
    Still, I was surprised to see YES getting a showing...
    
    
    Kevin.
    ~~~~~~  (Worth staying up just for that !)
    
    

    Yes, I agree with .7 when he says it was naff on the whole, but
    a good cause.
    
    I mean, aren't we all just being just a little bit too critical
    about all this?  Most of the replies have made snide comments as
    to the performances, but does it matter.  The crowd all sounded
    and looked as if they were enjoying themselves, and after all
    they were the ones who shelled out the dosh for the tickets. those
    who watched it on TV had the option of hitting the off button
    and as they didn't have to contribute if they didn't want to,
    shouldn't really moan about the performers etc.
    
    Although personally speaking I don't agree with the cause and
    charity begins at home and all that, as it was put together in
    3 weeks or whatever it was, I thought it was good value.
    
    julia

    Re .8
    
    But wasn't the REAL idea to put on such a good concert that people
    watched it, enjoyed it, thought about the suffering Kurds and DONATED?
    
    If, as it seems, people turned off in droves, because of poor
    performances, then it failed.
    
    They certainly wouldn't have raised the �10 million hoped for from the
    'handfull' of people at the concerts.
    
    Mark

    Re .9

    There may be a logic problem here Mark.
    
    >>  But wasn't the REAL idea to put on such a good concert that people
    >>  watched it, enjoyed it, thought about the suffering Kurds and DONATED?

    Maybe the outcome of `such a good concert' was that people watched it,
    enjoyed it, FORGOT about the suffering of the Kurds and DIDN'T donate ?
    (�10 million for a country of over 50 million people is not a lot -
    well not when seen against Irish charity-responses in the last five
    years).  

    Anyway I'm glad that the first I heard of it was on Radio Four on
    Monday morning. The media is the message (yawn).

    - Tim
    

    
    Well obviously the organisations supporting these events must think
    they work or they wouldn't support them. I don't think there can
    be a lot of doubt about the effectiveness of these televisual events
    in terms of bringing in the cash (look at Children in need and other
    telethon type events), although they may well affect peoples' desire
    to donate throughout the rest of the year.
    
    Anyway, whatever you think of the cause or the method of getting the
    money, you can't be suggesting that a bad concert is going to raise
    more money than a good one, surely? The longer you watch, the more
    'Give money' plugs you get and the more likely you are to donate.
    If you turn off because the performers are poor you are likely to
    go away and think of something else altogether, or, in my case, go
    to bed and sleep.
    
    Mark

    >>  you can't be suggesting that a bad concert is going to raise
    >>  more money than a good one, surely? The longer you watch, the more
    >>  'Give money' plugs you get and the more likely you are to donate.

    Yes, that's true. And it worked in raising �10m. Again though I can't
    believe my luck in only hearing about it when it was all over.

    It raised awareness maybe, and that was good. But then I can give to
    the Kurdish cause directly without viewing it and hearing sh*te music�
    and the middle man happens to a tory hawker and flogger.

    - Tim

    � A personal opinion.

    I think idea is to give you something for your money.  Everyone
    remembers Live Aid for the day it was, and because of that they have
    the plight of the Ethiopians and Sudanese always in the back of their
    minds.
    
    I think they should put on high quality, less frequent gigs.  It's no
    good if they don't have the right people on the bill.  Someone like
    Madonna or Michael Jackson are going to add to the demand for tickets
    and therby increase the donated figure.
    
    Nothing since Live Aid has been as good (as a whole) and therefore
    there hasn't been interest on the same scale.  If they did it again on
    the same, or a larger scale it would drag in all the people from last
    time, and all the people who wished they'd gone to the first one.
    
    It's the same with the records.  None of the charity records have been
    as good as `Do They Know It's Christmas' - that's why it's the best
    selling single of all time.
    
    Having said all that I think political problems should be solved by
    politicians, not by musicians/organisers/the public.
    
    
    matty

    
    The public are the political problems.
    
    Mark

    >Having said all that I think political problems should be solved by
    >policitians, not by musicians/organisers/the public.
    
    Hear, hear

    re-2
    
    What do you mean, `the public are the problem?'.
    
    matty

Matty,

Is people dying of starvation really a political problem?  I agree that it 
can be solved by politicans but when they fail (as they do most of the 
time) it's up to the public's generosity to solve the problem.  

Now if someone wants to organise a concert that benefits the homeless and 
starving in this country, that's fine with me.

Paul

P.S. Mark, why aren't you in EF91? ;-)

    
    I can't expand on my comment. This isn't EF91! :^)
    
    Mark

    >> P.S. Mark, why aren't you in EF91? ;-)

    I thought that would have been obvious Paul. (oblig. smilie -;)

    He should post his thoughts in LDP::TALK_TO_ALFONSO  He might get a
    better reaction (agreement, outrage, a stoning etc -;)
    
    And Mark's got a point; four million people buying The Sun every
    morning CAN'T be wrong.

    - Tim

    

    Can they ?? 
    

    
    Re .19
    
    Heh?
    
    Mark

     Re Heh ?

     Hope I can explain this. You said something about politics/action
     beginning with people. If this is so then the first thing they could
     do is stop buying lies (for 20p) every morning. It makes sense to me
     anyhow.

     LDP::TALK_TO_ALFONSO is otherwise known as LDP::WORLD_FORUM

     - Tim
     

    
    Ah right,
    
    Couldn't agree more.
    
    Mark
    
    PS I don't buy ANY paper, so I have to get my news from the biased TV
    reports instead! :^)

Tim,

I also couldn't agree more, so I always make sure that I nick somebody elses 
Daily Star ;-)

Paul

    Does the Irish edition have...in it too ?

    Well at least you were smart enough to leave the South East.

    - Tim
    

    To return to the topic just for a sec, which version of Yes played
    (ie which lot decided to call themselves "Yes" today) ???
    
    Ray

    I think the lineup for Yes was:
    
    Steve Howe
    Trevor Rabin
    Jon Anderson
    Chris Squire
    Tony Kaye
    Rick Wakeman
    Alan White 
    Bill Bruford
    
    Certainly, the above is the current lineup touring the U.S. If you
    want more info on Yes try TIMBRE::MUSIC conference.
    
    Balders

    
    Yes, that is the current line up and is who is touring at present.
    
    Topic 56 in ::MUSIC for more...
    
    Kevin.
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