Conference marvin::uk_music

    >>  That advert, those re-releases, that N.M.E. cover...that Rolling
    >>  Stone poll...

    That hype.

    Good band though. I used to own the first, second and third albums and
    "London Calling" does have some damn fine songs on it (like "Jimmy
    Jazz" and the Monty Clift one). I once saw the "Rude Boy" video which
    is very avoidable. Our Joe comes across as the (socialist)
    man-in-the-street (that accent!) and then a couple of weeks later
    someone told me he's an ex public school boy. Still...if it sells
    records eh ? 

    - Tim
    

    
    I agree with the sentiments expressed about London Calling.
    
    Until I heard this album, I thought all the punk groups were talentless
    oiks (a la Sex Pistols), but the Clash were so versatile in their
    musical styles.
    
    Brilliant group.
    
    Mark
    
    PS Sandanista is almost as good an album too!
    PPS I believe the group and the record company lost a fortune on the
    latter album, so maybe the hype is an attempt by the record company to
    get some of it back, as I understand the group aren't too interested.
    

    Not a bad group, the Clash, although I lost touch with them after only
    the second lp, so I've never heard 'London Calling' or 'Sandinista'.
    
    I saw them live about three times (once on the White Riot tour with the
    Buzzcocks, Subway Sect and the Slits), and they were very intense and
    energetic, but also very sloppy.
    
    re .2 - perhaps a listen to the Pistols live album (recorded when Glen
    Matlock was still in the band) from 1976 would change your mind. It's
    very powerful, the playing and the feel is good, and they are a lot
    tighter than the Clash were at the time.
    
    Bob

    
    re .3
    
    I should have followed my comments on the Pistols by 'light blue
    touchpaper and stand well back'. :^)
    
    The Clash on London Calling and Sandinista are not the same band on 
    the earlier album (less thrash, more playing).
    
    Mark

    Combat Rock usually gets slagged, but I thought that was a great album. 
    I saw them in 84, after Mick had left, and they were pathetic.  I was
    depressed for twenty minutes.
    
    I was thinking of getting the compilation album on CD, it was 15.99 in
    Our Price a few weeks ago, now its 18.99, and still in the charts
    section.  Its amazing what 2.5% can do to a price, isn't it?
    
    Mikef (feeling cynical)

    
    I can remember my parents hearing London Calling in a shop and saying
    how good it was and asking me if I wanted it for my birthday.  Well if
    my parents liked it I thought I obviously wouldn't so I said no way.  I
    was young and didn't know enough of the Clash at the time.
    
    Seems like I have very hip parents although this trait only becomes
    apparent on few occassions, most of the time its "what's that durge?"
    or "they call that music do they" etc etc
    
    Tim
    ---

    There is a clash topic in radio_radio conference.
    
    I am a great Clash fan, but IMHO the band really stopped 'functioning'
    after the London Calling LP. Many people claim this was something to do
    with them trying to conquer USA, and having to tone down, become less
    'British', and Mick wanting to become a rock star....whatever the
    reasons they brought out a triple album that was a disgrace...I doubt
    if one track on Sandanista would have been included in the 1st Clash
    LP. Still the 1st Lp, Give em enough rope and London Calling still get
    played even although the 1st LP is some 13+ years old !!!
    
    
    Personally thought that Rude Boy as a film was a bit iffy, but great
    footage of the band live, really captured the raw,gritty, angry band
    that they were....before they got soft and sold out.
    aah nostalgia..
    Paul 

    My seventies memories have just been slighted with the revelation in
    VOX that Joe Strummer is the son of a Diplomat. And to think of all
    that Street cred........
    
    Nah, only joking, not about the son of a Diplomat thing though.
    
    

    
    
    
    
    
    	I must agree with re.5....not so good after Mick had left.In '82
    they were excellent live,but what a difference 2 years and the
    departure of Mick made.
     	London Calling was no doubt a classic,but Sandinista and Combat
    Rock both contained some great tracks (Sandinista could have been
    condensed into 1 disc).
    	Following the success of "Dub be good to me" by whoever,the Clash
    released a cd called "Return to Brixton" with extended mixed versions
    of "Guns of Brixton" (4 tracks).
    	Paul Simonon is now in a band called 'Havana 3am',who I saw back
    in February in King Tuts,Glasgow.They sounded good on the night
    and even played "Guns of Brixton",which went down well,but after buying
    the album I was a bit disappointed....only sounded average.Worth seeing
    again though.
    
    
    
                                               
    Andy.

    "I was in Rude Boy!" shock admission by ex-NME hack...
    
     Right down the front on two of the gig scenes, and walking down
    Queen Street in Cardiff as the "Rude Boy" runs past going the other
    way. God, how embarrassing.
    
    Anyway they were brilliant up to and including Combat Rock, and I've
    got the lot (that's enough - Ed.).
    
         
    Piers

    
>     Rock both contained some great tracks (Sandinista could have been
>     condensed into 1 disc).
    
    I think it was released as one disc in the US.

    
    
    re.-1    It was released as a triple album in the UK.
    
    
    	     Andy.
    
    
    

    re: last 2
    
    Hey, stop that US bashing...can smell it a mile away!
    "Sandinista" was released as a three album set and I was one of the
    first to buy it.  (I used to be a Clashaholic)
    
    Also, my friend babysat for Joe's kids when they were staying here
    last year.  (He's got 2 with his common-law wife.)  She said that
    they were impossible, spoiled and wouldn't go to bed -- ages 
    2 & 4.  She talked to his "wife" when she came back. She was distressed
    about her children's upbringing  (moving constantly, their father
    never being around) and didn't know what to do.  Apparently Joe's
    not such a liberated male as he'd like people to think he is.
    
    My friend also said that when his wife and children went back to
    England, he started seeing other women.  (Her boyfriend was the
    night manager at the hotel he was staying at.)  
    
    So I guess the moral of this story is that all men are scum and
    you can't trust any of them, no matter how sincere they seem. (Except,
    of course the ones in this conference ;*}
    
    -Vicki                                 
    

    
>     I think it was released as one disc in the US.
    
    Well, there was definitely a single LP version of it released
    somewhere, 'cos I remember reading it in the NME at the time. It was
    some time after the triple LP came out in the UK though.
    
    Trevor

    
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the same Clash I used to love as a
    youngster; the same clash who wouldn't appear on TOTP; wouldn't sell
    out and most assuredly wouldn't allow their product to be used to push
    the products of American Multinational Concerns.
    
    White Rioter
    

    
    No, this is the Clash who are now owned by a record company who are
    trying to make a few million bucks out of back-catalogue.
    
    Mark

    re .15
    
    
    Yep the very same...
    
    Although in fairness the release/use of 'Should I stay' was not in
    total agreement with all the band. Joe apparently did not approve, and
    did not approve of the tracks chosen on the 12" single  ie with Mick
    singing, and a BAD track.
    But as we all know time smooths the sharp edges....
    Paul
    

    
    I heard 'London Calling' on the radio this morning and then Simon
    'Sadman' Mayo said it was the NEW single. Presumably (crediting this
    retard with some credibility) it has been re-released as a follow up
    to 'Rock The Casbah'.
    
    Mark (Who can live quite happily with Clash/Soft Cell/Etc re-releases!)

    I bought "The Story of the Clash" from the Brittania Music Club
    about a year ago ....   blow me if they havn't increased the price by
    about 3 quid in response to their renewed popularity.
    
    Paul

          
    Any info on the import album `Black Market Clash`? Is it the same
     as the first album `The Clash`? Is it still available?I have all
    the Brittish albums except `Cut the crap`because it was aload of 
    crap.Is there any other imports still available?
    
    
    
                                            Gav
    

    re: -1
    
    Wasn't _Black Market Clash_ the ep they put out mid-career with
    "Bankrobber" on it?  It's been so long since I listen to any of
    those lps.  Wasn't it released in the UK?
    
    -Vicki  

    
    
    	Wasn't "Black Market Clash" a 10" LP ??
    
    	with "Capitol Radio", "Presure Drop", "Armagedeon (sp?)
        times", "Bank Robber", "White Riot" and some other stuff
    	i can't remember.
    
    
    	Tim.

    Black Market Clash was a dead expensive 10" album which first came out
    in 1979 (I think - that's when I bought it, anyway). The songs, in no
    particular order, and from memory, are:
    
    Armagideon Time
    Justice Tonight/Kick it Over
    Bank Robber
    Capital Radio
    Pressure Drop
    
    and two other songs.
    
    It was then reissued in 12" format.
    
    The cover for both versions was further photos from the Notting Hill
    Carnival riots in 1977.
    
    Piers

    Piers:
    
    I have the 10" (US version-same songs) and that didn't come out until 
    after London Calling.  I'm almost positive it wasn't released until 
    after 1980. Even though there is a chance it was released in England
    first, I remember it being "brand-new" when I bought it. 
    
    -Vicki 

    
    Is the 10" or 12" Still available in the U.K.?
    Would I have to order it.
    
    
    
    
    
                                           Gav
    

    I had the misfortune to see it at the megabore on CD at Christmas. What
    with that and the Cure's Three Imaginary Boys with a track listing
    it was a hard day.
    
    Vicki - you are probably right; given that I recently mistook 1979 for
    1980 over in Radio. All I can be certain of is that I was sent it 
    while I was still on the student newspaper - so pre-1981.
    
    Piers. Memory failing fast.

    > <<< Note 830.25 by KURMA::GMOORE "White man in Hammersmith Palace" >>>
    
    And shouldn't that be "Palais"?
    
    
    

    What, no more Clash talk?  Well, I've only just discovered VAXNOTES,
    and am disappointed you all let this one rest...Strummer is currently
    working on a studio album with the Pogues, who he has toured
    with...there is much talk of a reunion, and Joe reckons he can get the
    others to do it... Topper was last seen (after coming out of jail for
    heroin deal) driving minicabs in London, Paul still has Havan AM (and
    also now has wife and child) but no longer hangs out with Mickey Rourke
    and Mick still appears to be trying to flog BAD II.  Strummer's solo LP
    anyone? What do you think?  I know its going back a coupla years but I
    thought it was excellent - incidentally, the drummer on that one (Jack
    Irons) used to play in the Chili Peppers - anyone interested in keeping
    this Clash talk alive?  
    

    I saw yesterday a CD called I think `B sides and extras' anyone
    heard it?Can`t remember the songs on it,I think 1977 was one.
    
    
    
                                 Gav