Conference marvin::uk_music

Those artists who seem to forget who they owe there rise to fame to, really
annoy me. Roland Gift - why are you so dour and aloof ? (Having said that I
like Fine Young Cannibals !)


I think the French & Saunders Pop Group sketches sum it all up. Did a good 
job of taking Bros off !!. 

    A Question:  Is it right to release lots of different items, you know,
    all these limited editions and poster packs?  Is it a rip off, or is it
    giving us what we want?
    
    Personally I'm sick of having to buy three 12" for all the mixes of a song. 
    Why don't they just buying them all on the one 12"?  I know the answer
    to that!
    
    
    matty

    
    I'm personally fed up with it.. I like to collect all recordings by my
    favourite artists, but in some cases its just not worth it. After all,
    the artists themselves often only actually perform stuff ONCE, its the
    production team that make up all the different mixes.
    
    Imagine collecting all of Frankie Goes to Hollywood... 
    
    Dave

    They just cater for people like you Matty....
    
    I mean why do you want ALL the ltd editions groups put out ? And
    why DO they put them out...I suspect close examination reveals a
    viscious circle....
    
    Matty, do you imagine that remix no 462 of West End Girls is going
    to be valuable or somthing....My advice, stop collecting records,
    just listen to the music and enjoy it....Who cares if they will/will
    not be valuable in years to come....You are probably not expert
    in records enough, and is it worth sitting on a virtually unplayed
    record for n-1 years before it rises in value.....
    
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    Try the remix of Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music".

    OK next question:
    
    Should it be crime to put old singles, or LP tracks on b-sides?  ex. 
    Madonna's "I Know It" has been on 3 of her 25 singles.  That's a rip
    off surely!
    
    
    matty

    
    I personally can't fathom why a blue vinyl copy of "Bohemian Rhapsody"
    is worth fifty times more than a bog standard black one, just because
    they only made 250 copies. 
    
    If artists want to please their most devoted collectors they should 
    leave all 45 rpm releases off of albums. This means all their output
    becomes 'collectable' and has a value. It also means your not wasting
    your money buying recordings you already have.  
    
    Dave

    RE.-1
    
    Why do you own more than 1 pair of shoes?
    
    
    matty

    
    Just thought of an example...
    
    Joy Division never duplicated recordings, (while they existed). Until
    the recent compilation LP released by Factory, early Joy Division
    records were very valuable. Now that all these recordings are
    available on CD, I doubt if you'd get 50% of the going price 3 years
    ago. Now, as a collector, that makes me fairly annoyed. 
     
    Dave

    B-b-b-b-b-but Dave...music is for your ears, not for your pocket.

    That is, unless you want to work in the business.

    - Tim

    
    RE .8
    
    > Why do you own more than 1 pair of shoes?
    
    I'm not sure I see your point... all my pairs of shoes are DIFFERENT.
    As far as wear and tear is concerned, play the record once, tape it,
    put it in a plastic sleeve, file it away with the rest..
    
    Dave

    
    >B-b-b-b-b-but Dave...music is for your ears, not for your pocket.
    >That is, unless you want to work in the business.

    Of course it is. What annoyed me was that I bought when the prices were
    still high! 
    
    Dave

    Dave,  The shoes thing is like the different mixes thing.  You don:t
    need lots of pairs of shoes.  You only need 2 pairs of trousers, but we
    all like the change, we like to look different from time to time.  Just
    like I like different mixes, or different covers.  I get a big thrill
    out of hearing a new mix of something.  Like when there's an LP track
    that I really like, and I can't wait for it to be a single.  Then
    you're going to get a long version that you can dance to.  I suppose
    you either like different mixes or you're a song only matters type.
    
    
    
    matty
    ps.  An Ideal For Living is still worth a fortune isn't it?

    
    Re .13
    
    >like I like different mixes, or different covers.
    
    Different covers? I wonder if you bought all 12 copies of Ian Dury's
    "Do it yourself" wrapped in different styles of wallpaper.
    
    >Then you're going to get a long version that you can dance to.  
    
    How about playing the short version twice?
    
    Only Kidding!!
    
    Dave :-)

    Dance?? What's that???

I personally don't think there should be any limit to the number of different 
formats of the same single. If someone is willing to squander on all possible 
editions, then let them. (I do it !)

However what does annoy is when you like a certain 7" in the charts, but you 
want to buy something more substantial like the 12" or CDS, and then the 7"
mix doesn't appear on the other formats.

The latest Q magazine reported that some record industry authority was from now 
on only going to allow 5 different formats for eligibilty into the charts.
So, after 7", 12", 12" remix, CDS and cassingle, is it going to mean goodbye
to picture discs, boxed singles and freebies ?

Once bought a 12" picture disc which I had to take back as it would not play 
because it was so warped. On returning to the shop, I was told "Picture discs 
are not really meant for playing" !

    I had a warped Picture Disc that I bought as the shop opened and the
    day of it's release.  I took it back 2 hours later and found they had
    sold out all 25 copies!
    
    
    matty

    The top 500 most collectable artists were published in the April edition
of Record Collector magazine. This was compiled from a readers poll in which
you were invited to list the five artists you are most interested in from a
collectors point of view.

    The interesting point about this poll is that the magazine sells to quite
a broad cross section of the record buying public. Every form of popular (and
unpopular) music gets a look in. (By the way this magazine is published in the
UK). Here are the first 30 places: 

(Last years position in brackets)

 1  (1) The Beatles
 2  (4) David Bowie
 3  (6) The Rolling Stones
 4  (2) Queen
 5  (5) Elvis Presley
 6  (3) U2
 7  (9) Kate Bush
 8  (7) Pink Floyd
 9 (10) Bob Dylan
10 (26) Prince
11 (21) Jimi Hendrix
12 (20) Paul McCartney
13 (32) Pet Shop Boys
14 (17) The Who
15  (8) Bruce Springsteen
16 (13) John Lennon
17 (38) Madonna
18 (12) Buddy Holly
19 (15) Marc Bolan & T. Rex
20 (18) Jethro Tull
21 (29) Eric Clapton
22 (24) Frank Zappa/Mothers
23 (19) Cliff Richard
24 (23) Led Zeppelin
25  (-) The Stone Roses
26 (11) The Smiths
27 (22) R. E. M.
28 (45) Erasure
29 (28) New Order
30 (16) Genesis 
    
    Note: the Beatles scored more than twice as many votes as David Bowie.
    
    Dave

    .. and the last ten
    
    491   (-) Guy Mitchell
    492   (-) Doris Day
    493   (-) Atomic Rooster
    494 (246) Kevin Ayers
    495   (-) Jeff Healy
    496   (-) The Purple Helmets
    497   (-) Joe Satriani
    498 (441) X-Ray Spex
    499 (446) Foreigner
    500   (-) Boston
    
    Dave

    
    matty,
    
    Instead of spending all your hard earned money (and we all know
    how hard you work ;-)) on mixes, why not get yourself a couple of
    decks, a fader and a few other things and do it yourself?
    
    I'd be interested to hear the output..
    
    Paul

    RE -1 
    
      Yes Matty ,
    
    I can recomend this idea . I do something similiar with a portastudio,
    a small sampler and some effects. Fun on rainy days!!
    
    Davidf

    I do!
    
    I have a couple of guitars, one electric, one classical, and a consumer
    (ie. not pro) keyboards.  At present I'm saving (ie. cutting down on
    record spending) for a Roland D20 keyboard.  Then I want some drums! 
    I've given myself 2 years (I'll be 22) to either complete a high
    quality demo tape, or have a live set put together.  Then it's `Look
    out world, here I come!'.
    
    This topic is research!  I'm not as stupid as my spelling mistake show.
    
    Next question;
    
    Is it ok to play live using sequenced music, ie. with live guitar or
    keyboard and vocals over the top, or would I have have to hire people
    to gain respect?  Answers on a postcard please.
    
    
    matty_who_has_to_work_hard_now_'cause_he'll_get_sacked_otherwise
    

    
    >Is it ok to play live using sequenced music, ie. with live guitar or
    >keyboard and vocals over the top, or would I have have to hire people
    >to gain respect?  Answers on a postcard please.
    
    Well, one of the best live bands I've seen are (believe it or not)
    SOFT CELL who did more or less what you just described. In fact its
    fair to say that their live performances were much *better* than
    anything they ever put on vinyl. (Soft Cell, for those who don't 
    remember, consisted of Marc Almond and Dave Ball). It was, however
    impossible to tell what was being played 'live' and what wasn't at
    times, but *who cares?*
    
    Dave

   > Well, one of the best live bands I've seen are (believe it or not)
   > SOFT CELL who did more or less what you just described. 
    
    Is this the time when Almond fanted on stage????  
    I think it was due to him drinking too much! 8-)
    
    Craig..
    

    
>    Is this the time when Almond fanted on stage????  
     
    Did you mean to say fainted? Or farted? I didnt notice hime do either,
    but I wasnt really *that* close to the stage.
    
    ;-)
    
    Dave    
    

    I actually ment fainted 8-), apparantly he drank too much (or should I
    say swollowed) and he had to have his stomach pumped.

    Actually I remember the incident! I also remember that what he drank
    wasn't alcohol.. but lets not go in to that (!)
    
    Dave

    
    Aww...
    
    I remember that <gag>.

    I remember hearing about that too but I couldn't think of a polite way 
    of putting in notes.  Thanks, you solved my problem!
    
    Julia
    

    
    So what's wrong with drinking too much?
    
    Paul

    
     re. last few,
    
       Didn't Rod-The Bod-Stewart pull that manuever ,too?

    -1
    
    No, Rod had been drinking alcohol, Mark certainly hadn't!