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NETS03::CHEQUER "Who is this N.N."                   10 lines  16-SEP-1988 11:55
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>    P.S.  Is it an insult to call someone Gay ?

	No, some would call it a complement though.

    GM has got to be one of the more talented around at the moment. Shame
    the w/yanks haven't produced anything worth listening to for a while,
    like 900 years or so. 
    
    				Gru�
    					Mark... a faith fan

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KERNEL::IMBIERSKI "Three views of a secret"          16 lines  16-SEP-1988 12:35
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>>  the w/yanks haven't produced anything worth listening to for a while,
>>  like 900 years or so. 
  
    Apart, of course, from the blues which originated Rock and Roll
    which lead on to all modern popular music..
    
    Oh and Tamla Mowtown
    
    Oh yeah and Blue Note as well
    
    And of course there's the wealth of classical music they've produced.
    
    But apart from Blues, Rock and Roll, Tamla, Blue Note, Classical,
    what have the yanks *really* ever done for us?
    
    Tony

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>>  the w/yanks haven't produced anything worth listening to for a while,
>>  like 900 years or so. 
  
    Yup...i think it has something to do with a horrible whining tone of
    the american voice. 
    
    Also...the "YANKS" have produced nix cos all the stuff you mention comes
    originally from REDNECK country...geddit?

>>  And of course there's the wealth of classical music they've produced.
    
    What classical music...please be more specific !
    
>>  what have the yanks *really* ever done for us?
    
    NOTHING !!!

    

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    Ok, have it your own way. If you *really* think that the US has
    made little or no contribution to the music world then that's your
    opinion. I personally reckon they have. Not much point in arguing
    any further.
    
    Tony

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RE>     Not much point in arguing any further. 

    Especially when your wrong.

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>>        Especially when your wrong.
  
    
    Yes, you're right of course. Sorry sir.
    
    Tony

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    Has anyone ever seen the pictures of George Michael in DRAG?
    
    I'd say that qualifies him as a rump ranger!
    
    And yes, the U.S. is the only place to hear real (non plastic pop)
    music.  REM, the Cars, Van Halen, Metallica, Talking Heads, Frank
    Zappa.....the list goes on!
    
    Now let's stop this silly arguement about which country has better
    music, because they BOTH produce some excellent stuff.  Remember
    that there are other countries too: Rush:from Canada, U2:from Ireland,
    The Scorpions:from Switzerland(I think) and so on and so forth....

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>    Has anyone ever seen the pictures of George Michael in DRAG?
>    
>    I'd say that qualifies him as a rump ranger!

    I find these comments rather offensive. You seem to have a beef with
    "rump rangers", don't tell me, as a child you bottie was poked by said
    rangers or perhaps even one of the following fans The Cars, Van Halen,
    Metallica, Talking Heads, Frank Zappa.....
    
    Ohhh I get it, this is a notes file for the old and was, best I skip
    out. 

    				Love and blow pipes 
    							Mark

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    This is an interesting subject and I hope we can discuss it without
    getting personal (re -3 unless someone else gets in first 8^)) 
    
    One of the main differences I perceive between UK and US music scenes
    is the influence of the jazz world. Jazz in the US is BIG and attracts
    a lot of the country's most accomplshed musicians away from the
    pop/rock world. Eg if you want to hear some blistering geetar then
    check out Mike Stern who plays with Miles Davies or Dave Sanbornes axe
    man (Hiram Bullock ?? something like that 8^)). 
    
    In the UK if you want to make a serious impact in the music world then
    the jazz scene is out of the question and you would probably find the
    above mentioned guys in a rock band. This goes generally for anyone
    in the business from singers to keyboard players to producers and
    engineers. This country concentrates all its effort on the pop/rock
    world with a result that that particular musical form is far advanced
    from the states. In return the states is far advanced from us in
    the jazz field.
    
    This is just an opinion (probably wrong again) but its open to comments
    /criticism from anyone interested in a SENSIBLE discussion!!
    
    Cheers
    
    Tony 8^) 8^)

    has anyone worked out how to do a sticky-out-tongue face using the
    keys i.e. 8^) smiley/joking face, etc etc etc
    I thought we were going to get to that a few notes back there.
    US v UK is very parochial though, isnt it, considering the amount
    of good music coming out of Africa, Canada, Ireland, Australia and
    so on. Good stuff knows no boundaries anyway, all this my country/your
    country stuff is silly - we're all inhabitants of Planet Earth really
    
    man
    
    Bob

    OK - go open a new and better note then ...

    How about 8^?
    
    Oh no a rathole already!!
    
    tony  8^? 8^? 8^?

re .11/ex .82(or something)

    Would have to agree, said he listening to some rather snappy jazz mosec
    just now. Of course the origin is America, in fact a friend gets some
    great tapes from the all day/nightjazz shows in the states. 
    
    America's claim on the music scene must be jazz, I think their pop/Rock
    music lacks an awful lot(except talking heads), but their Jazz is the
    best. I think the reason behind this is due to the nature of music in
    America. Where as Britain has central broadcasting, America has
    localised radio stations which cater to specific needs. Therefore the
    music has to fit a very tighter criteria before being played. 
    
    This is why many groups when embarking on an American campaign must
    change their style and lets face it, America is where the money is.
    
    				Gru�
    					Mark 

    I'm sorry I called George Michael gay....let's let that rest.
    I'd like to say something about his music and his music only.
    His stuff is very plastic to say the least.  It's just one simple
    pop melody getting repeated throughtout the song.  If I sat at a
    keyboard for 1/2 hour, I'd come up with some catchy melodies myself.
    
    I saw him in concert a couple of weeks ago.  I really went in with
    an open mind. I said, "well, I don't like his music, but I'll give
    him a chance"  I was actually looking forward to getting this "thing"
    I have about his music away from me for good.  I thought that maybe
    after this I'd be able to listen to his music and even enjoy it.
    And so I went.
    
    The show opened with an incredible lighting effect.  I started to
    get excited about seeing this man preform, maybe I have been wrong
    about him all this time.  But when the music started, I almost fell
    asleep.  He didn't play an instrument the whole time, and then he
    did "faith", and he came out with his acoustic guitar.  I thought,
    OK, maybe he's a talented musician after all.  One of his band was
    also playing acoustic guitar.  But once he started, I realize that
    he wasn't playing the guitar at all, he just had his hand wrapped
    around the neck and was "fake" strumming.  And then half way through
    the song, he through the guitar to a stagehand, and the sound didn't
    change at all!  
    
    All I could say was, "what a phoney, I payed good money to come
    here and watch a man pretend he was playing guitar."  What a fake!
    
    This is how I feel about MUCH of the music that comes out of England
    today, it's plastic, and fake, and contains no real talent what
    so ever. Granted I absolutely love some of the music that comes
    from the UK, it's just these people going to the top on their
    audiences' ignorance that I don't like.
    
    Steve "fan of GOOD music" Owen

    
    re: -.1
    
    Geez, I thought I was finally reading a level-headed, sensible
    posting about music from EUCLID::OWEN, then along comes that last
    paragraph.  Oh well....
    
    Granted, it's your opinion, but why slag most (much=most) of the
    music coming out of the UK.  How does it really differ from what's
    coming out of the rest of the world?  Peter Gabriel is one of your
    favorite musicians, no?  He's British, no?  WTF?
    
    -Dan, who doesn't care where it comes from, if it sounds good.
    

Steve (aka EUCLID::OWEN),

  You should not attempt to generalize like you're doing. I also am not
a big fan of the pop music out of Britain at the moment. But then again,
I'm not a big fan of the pop music coming out of the U.S. either. Why
is the U.K. so bad because they have George Michael, but the U.S. is OK,
even though we put Tiffany and Debbie Gibson in the Top Ten *at the same
time*? 

  Just try to be objective - bad music is bad no matter where it comes
from. And the same with good music. And no country has a monopoly on
either one!

Alan S.

    re -.1
    I said that there is music from the UK that I love! and God knows
    that there is music in the US that I hate.  It just seems to me
    (and maybe I'm wrong) that the current trend of music coming out
    of England is aimed at a top-40 pop audience.  Not to say that there
    is none of that here in the US, I just see the concentration of
    pop music amung successful artists is greater in the UK.
    
    Listen, I love a lot of the music that comes from Europe and the
    UK in particular, but I also love alot of stuff from the US.
    
    I'm beginning to think this is becomming a shouting match between
    different musical tastes regardless of the country the music came
    from.  Let's not have another revolutionary war over this.( but,
    don't forget, we won it.......just kidding!)
    
    S.O.

    Steve,
    
    The pop music coming out of England is aimed at pop music fans
    The rock music coming out of England is aimed at rock music fans
    The alternative music coming out of England is aimed at alternative
    music fans
    
    You may substitute US, Ireland, France, Australia, Austria, Germany,
    Sweden, Lichtenstein, et al for England.
    
    No shouting match here.  Respect the opinions of others, and they
    will respect your opinion too.  And please stop generalizing.
    "You are all individuals"     "Yes, we are all individuals"
    
    -Dan

    It seems to me that the record companies in both countries find
    a formula and stick to it !!!
    
    This is the case with S.A. & W. in England, and with the current
    trend of female singers in the U.S. 
    
    I am sure there are lots of original acts in the US but where are
    they ???? Most of the *new* bands look like clones of Van Halen,
    etc, or are one off "super groups". 
    
    Anyway...i've said it before...the single charts are representative
    of a tiny proportion of tiny (young) people. Therfore they are of
    liitle interest to me or most of the noters, except that this
    "music"(?) clogs up the airwaves and channels...so we don't get
    to hear new and interesting sounds unless we go out and see them!!
                                                                    
    When was the last time you saw a new and interesting live act in
    the US ??? Was it a US band ????
    
    John

    BTW i seem to remember that a certain well known star often had
    a guitar round his neck but seldom if ever played it...
    
    ...Elvis somebody ?

    Naaah, Costello always played his own guitar
    
    Tony 8^) 8^)  8^)

    
    I haven't really followed this one, but I've started to realise
    why the yanks are so keen on nostalgia .... and still hero worshipping
    a lot of the older bands.  Perhaps it's because they (as a nation)
    have been around just over 200 years, whereas much of the reast
    of us, go back a lot further.
    
    So, the US tends to cling on more to their past (as their is less
    of it).  Just a thought!!!!!
    
    David.
    

    re -.1
    
    It only took us only 200 yrs to get this far..
    
    I took you HOW LONG??????????   8^)
    
    SO.

    Remember the story about the Rabbit and the hare

    re -.1
    no, I dont remember that one.......
    
    I read one once about a hare and a tortoise tho...8^)
    
    Bob

    re .26
    
    Here is the reason we like our clasic music:
    
    We did it right the first time!

    REM,AEROSMITH,VAN HALEN,BB KING,STEVIE RAY VAUGHN,ETC.HAVE A NICE
    DAY

    to name but five.

    
    I don't think that all those bands/people were "crap".  Why do 
    you insist on slagging off bands that you know NOTHING about 
    Haigh ???

    
    
    Count to 10, Tony!
    

    In my honest opinion......
    of those 5 mentioned in .31(?) I like two of them, dislike two of
    them and can take or leave the last. It doesnt matter which though,
    does it - after all , me shoving my taste down anyones throat wont
    make them change their mind, will it? It seems stupid to me to carry
    on in this particular vein, we should perhaps be trying to broaden
    each others musical horizons by saying more than xxx is crap, yyy
    is fab, by putting more reasoning and explanation forward.
    After all, music is meant to be a shared experience isnt it?
    Myself, Ive got so little time to listen to what I love and discover
    new music, theres no time left to be bothered with what I dont want
    to listen to - I just leave it to those that do like it.
    And its good, no matter *where* it comes from ........
    
    Bob

    On reading the first few replies on this topic I started to hit
    'next unseen' in the hope that it eventually would fizzle-out.
    It reminds me of the kids fighting over 'My Daddy is bigger than
    yours' topic.!!!
    
    What exactly Is UK music or American music??? What is rasta music,
    blues music,jazz music,country'n'western,soul music,rock'n'roll,
    traditional,cajun....etc etc??? 
    
    Why only America and UK? There are fine bands from Australia,Canada,
    mainland Europe,Afric even Ireland...
    
    If you wanna talk music by 'location/culture' I suggest we start
    talking about 'traditional' music after all 'rock'n'roll' is only
    some 30 odd years old.
                          
    - Dave K.

    Quite right too Dave....!
    I just wanna talk *music*, which is anything from the guy banging
    the rocks together to present day technosplurge. Putting it in its
    cultural/racial/historical place is interesting and often rewarding
    e.g. in going bacwards from now, I'm discovering old blues, jazz
    and folk, but the main thing is its all about listening toit, sharing
    it, loving it........
    
    Bob

    .33 has been set hidden. The spirit of the last few replies is what
    we are seeking...
    
    Keith

    	Time for an apology�, its not the bands in the note I objected 
    to, simply the note itself. I agree with the sentiments that Bob and 
    Dave expressed, which is why the note I refered to irritated me. 
    
    		Steve
    
    � I'm reluctant to apologise to you "MR" Dallison, who do you think
    you are, do NOT try to tell me what I know and don't know. Even
    if the note was silly I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are,
    would you have reacted the same way if it had been about Rick Astley?

    re: .26
    
    True, we Yanks do cling to our own "brand" I of music since,
    like yours, it comes from our culture and our roots even if we did
    get the seedlings from you.  The way I see it, bands like the Beatles
    and the Stones more or less created Rock and Roll.  Then they exported
    it over here ....
    
    	........ then we fixed it and sent it back to you ! 8^) x 200
                                                                  
    
    			   Mr Scary II

    nothing like an American with a sense of humour.

    
        Jerry:
    
                That's the funniest, non-violent reply I've read in
                a LONG time!!
    
                8^) 8^)
    
                                                       Shawn GTI
    

    I'm not used to making non-violent replies ... don't worry though.
    It was just a passing phase and I'm over it now.
    
    
    
    				Scary

    
    Jer,
    
    
    I never in all my time known you to have the capability to
    
    make a non-Vio. reply...
    
    
                       A L R I G H T !!!!
                                   JIM
    The_young_man_say_"Music_of_all_sorts_is_o'tey!!!