Conference marvin::uk_music

.0�        Does anyone out there know anything about Acid House?  I've
    
    Er wot exactly is it?,...is it 'house' music, if so, I don't care
    too much for it (putting it mildly).
    
    			Si

    I dont know a lot about acid house, but there was an item on Wired
    (c4) a few weeks ago
    It is apparently played at a faster rate than most dance music,
    about 130 beats per minute as opposed to 116-118 bpm, is very hypnotic
    with many odd effects etc. For acid read psychedelic perhaps?
    S-Express's recent hit single I believe is an example of the more
    commercial end of the genre
    I could do with more info myself   
     
    Bob 

    I think it is a form of 'house' music - the 'Theme from S'express'
    single was an example of it (I think ),which is what got me interested,
    coz I quite liked that,even tho' I don't normally go for out and
    out boogie music.
    
       Mike F.

    
    ACIIIID , ACIIID  is the new chant from the footbal terrace white
    boy soccer fans. Acid house music is a bastardised version of a
    bland typo de muzac. House music was boring but this stuff is the
    pits. Takes a thumping synthesized drum beat and a minimal piano
    riff and play them loud and for ten minutes and you have an aciid
    house track. The term acid house is derived from it's connection
    with the drug, ie. you have to be well high on acid to relate to
    this pile of ... The muzac is supposed to bring on a state of
    transcending ones body and if youv'e seen the wild young things
    dance to this, then i guess you could be forgiven for thinking that
    this is true. Standard dance to this is to wave one's arms in a
    fashion similar to that of banging your hands against a wall and
    your body must remain stationary, the essential look on your face
    is a manic grin and rollin' eyes. 
    	Seriously though this music appeals to the football hooligan
    type. I've been to a number of 'ACID HOUSE' parties and have heard
    quite a lot at various nightclubs in London and there's only one
    acid track i've heard worth checking out and that's a version of
    the 'old grey whistle test theme' , the rest is enough to make me
    vo*it. 
    
    	If you want to try acid check out ACID JAZZ , now thats okay.
    Main purveyors of this type of muzac are Giles Peterson,Chris Bangs
    and other notable London DJ's. The only problem is though they seem
    to have a penchant for aciiiid house aswell.
    
    	Oh well might as well start waving my arms
    da da daa da da , da da daa da da , da da daa da da , etc add infinitum.
                                                                            

    
    
    RE..5 I am sure that you cannot class the 'Doctorin the tardis"
    track as an ACIID house track, it's much to tuneful and melodic.
    
    For ACIID listings check the magazine TIMEOUT it contains a full
    listing of the nightclub scene in London and usually gives a good
    description of the type of music that is played. There were quite
    a lot of aciid one nighters at various clubs last time I bothered
    to check. If you see the names of the DJ's I mentioned earlier in
    reply .4 connected to a one nighter then you can bet if u go along
    your'e gonna hear a lot of acid.
    
    -Eran_
    
    PS. add to that list of DJ's, Jay Strongman .

    RE .4
    Is there any Acid Jazz on record? And does anyone know any Radio
    Shows that play this sort of thing?
    
    Mike F.

    This reply aint gonna be much help i'm afraid.
    Most of the Aciid i heard was at one nighters in various nightclubs
    and alternative venues eg. Thursday night at Heaven (non gay night!) 
    is called BAbylon and in the upstairs dance floor Giles spins some
    mean Aciid Jazz, this place gets packed so get there before 11:30
    or be prepared to queue for 3o mins.
    Acid jazz records hmm, not heard of any as yet really , i think
    there was an acidic track on the last Jazz Juice record ( 8 ? )
    which is released by the Streetsounds label, my bet is though that
    those crazy guys at street sounds will release something to fill
    this market niche though pretty soon.
    Radio shows , hmm, well there's Giles Peterson's Mad on Jazz show
    on Radio London ? , and Kiss FM London's radical weekend radio pirate
    or underground station plays quite a bit. 
    	Thats it i'm afraid, my advise is to check out the music in
    it's natural environment , a nightclub..  

    Afraid that for us non-Londoners going to one of these nightclubs
    is easier said than done,(+ I doubt if I dress right!!).
    Do you know the wavelengths of any of these radio shows,and does
    Capital (which I can just recieve ) do anything?
    
      Mike.

    
    Sorry, my fault ..
    
    Capital paah never listen to it ? so i don't know
    
    I'm afraid that the stations i have mentioned and all the ones i
    know about are all London based, mostly pirate and there is zilcho
    chance of you receiving them outside London as it's bleedin' difficult
    receiving them inside the M25 most of the time.  However i do believe
    that the BBC world service play some interesting ACIID muzac in
    between the news and ship forecasts .....................just kiddin' 
            
    As for dressing right to a London nightclub you must wear ripped
    jeans and have a t-shirt with a smiley face on , as opposed to the
    standard uniform outside the smoke which is white socks , slip on
    shoes , farah trousers and too drunk to f**k Torremolinos t-shirts.
    
    By the way that standard uniform is only for Southerners as us
    Northerners are far too hip and trendy to be bothered about dressin'
    right to go out..
                                                  
    	-Eran_
    ( displaced Northerner/ ex HACIENDA addict/ now displaced to Solent
    for crimes against sobriety)  

    Speaking as another displaced Northerner- We always considered
    nightclubs to be a bit soft and southern anyway!
    
    Mike F.

    
    yeah but where else can you carry on drinking beer ?
    
    plus theres the Sheilas ...
    
    
    ...and the Sharon's
    
    
    .... and the Tracy's 
    
    
    etc. 
                     
    
    
    -Eran_
    

    I think I actually heard some 'ACID JAZZ' on the radio last night.
    It was a track from an album called 'Acid Jazz and other illicit
    grooves' which comes out on Urban Records in 3 weeks time.
    
      It didn't sound as fast to me as 140 BPM,in fact it was quite
    melodic and listenable to,nowhere near as unpleasent as everyone
    seems to make out.
      Don't ask me what the station was,I think it was a London based
    one,just at the side of Capital on FM,and was quite a good stereo
    signal.
    
       Has anyone out there heard the new Eric B and Rakim lp- I heard
    some on Peelie, and though it quite interesting.
    
      Mike

    
    
    	Sorry I am late on this one guys but didn't realise there
    	was anybody else out there interested in the "ACID" scene.
                                                           
    	First off I would like to clear up a few misconceptions
    	about "ACID" parties/clubs. Most people are not out of
    	their heads on Acid, most are on Ecstacy which is a fairly
    	recent designer drug - about 3-4 years old. Its also been
    	mentioned in here that these clubs/parties are formed by
    	the hooligan elements of our society, again I have to
    	disagree - apart from the last 3-4 months since "ACID"
    	has become more commercial and drunken slobs turn-up.
    	In fact most parties have no alcohol on the premises at
    	all.
    	
    	Due to certain influences - Richard "pain in the B*m"
    	Branson - most of the clubs are being raided frequently
    	and the parties have gone totally underground.
                  
    	Three CD's you might be interested in are -
    
    		LONDON HALLUAINATES - I think thats how you spell it
    		BALEARIC BEATS
    		PUMP UP LONDON
        
    	Well I'll be back in London this weekend and I'll be going
    	"underground" if you see what I mean.
        
    
    	From the,
    	Large fluffy Dragon thing 
    	(at least the last time I looked in the mirror)
                 

    	
    
    
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     By what I have read so far in this note I think that their are
    a lot of people who just go by what they read in the newspapers
    and see on television, not what they have seen for themselves.
    
     I mean doctorin' the tardis an Acid House song, well thats a classic if
    ever I heard one, the music you here on telly and radio is not played
    in any of the clubs that I go in, they play Balearic Beats, sounds
    from the good old hippy era and also a bit of soul and you will
    most definately NOT see that 'SMILEY T-SHIRT' brigade walking around,
    waving their arms in the air and screaming 'ACCCIIIIEEEEEDDDDDD'
    looking as if they had just had a red hot poker stuck up their a#*!.
     In clubs like The Future and The Shoom, two of the ORIGINAL HAPPY
    CLUBS, you never really used to hear alot of this Acid House music, but
    over the past six months the Acid scene has been commercialised by
    clubs like 'The Mud' and 'The Wag' and also by Richard Branson's
    once mega, SPECTRUM at HEAVENS on a monday night which was spoilt by
    'The Sun' condemning it as a haven for drug taking and pushing and also
    that 'SMILEY T-SHIRT' brigade didn't help alot by shouting about it
    all over London.
     
     I still think the originals will keep on going to Future and Shoom
    a long time after the Acid House scene has been long forgotten by
    the fashion victims of today, I don't think people will be hearing
    a lot about Acid in the future, it's all come to an abrupt ending.
    
       pat
       
    
                                       
                                         

    
    
    	RE .16
    
    	I totally agree my friend obviously we are of the same demeanour.
    	I was at a "party" on Saturday night/Sunday morning and not
    	one person wore a "smiley" T-shirt, or, in fact anything depiciting
    	drugs taking etc. I must admit this was advised by the organisers
    	as far as I am concerned the whole scene has gone totally 
    	underground. Spectrum, Phuture and Shoom are not what they used
    	to be due to the commercialisation of the music, and true
    	nobody that I know of goes around shouting "ACCIIIEEEEDDDDD"
    	anywhere.
    
    	By the way you didn't happen to be anywhere near Rickmansworth
        on Saturday night.
    
    
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    	From a Part'E' buff

    
     I think I was in Rickmansworth on saturday night if that's where 
    the Sunrise Mystery Tour happened to be, I thought it was really
    good, we didn't arrive until about 4 a.m and it finished at about
    7.15 in the morning, I was disappointed because I was really getting
    into swing of things and I was also enjoying myself on the bouncy
    castle.
           pat

    
    
    	Definately the same place as me, but I got there early about
    	1 O'clock. I didn't have a go on the bouncy Yellow Castle
    	though, was it any good?
    
    	And the end time was a bit of a screw up with the clocks going
    	back. Thats why all the buses were late, also not aided by
    	one of the bus drivers getting totally freaked out when 
    	a load of people got on still "jamming" away. In the end I 
    	think one of the bouncers drove it back.
    
    	Al.

    HI

    
    I really did enjoy myself on Saturday, when they stuck on some hippy
    music.
          Also it was a good laugh when we where rockin' by that BMW
    because most people where buzzing, after it ended early.
    
    There is another Mystery Tour on Saturday.
    
    Also there is a new night at Heavens and Spectrum, on thursdays
    called RAGE it's a load of s**t.  (smiley t-shirt brigade night)
    
    There is a Halloween party at Spectrum tonight.
    
    There was a shoom do on saturday up the west end.
    
    How can I mail you from allin1.
                                    pat
    
                                       
    
    

    Hallo, Alan, at least 1 person from Germany, I thought I was the
    only one. Do you know someone who could tape me some mixed Acid-Music?
    It's nearly impossible to get them from the radio.
                     
    Viele Gruesse 
    Birgit  (aus Koeln)
    

    Hello Birgit,
    
    Maybe you are the only one, Alan has left Germany and is back in
    England.
    
    Mfg
    
    Paul

    
     Yes Birgit,
    
         Alan is definately back in England, I saw him at a do on Saturday
    night (14th Jan).
         I may be able to put a tape together for you, but it may be
    a little difficult if you are in Germany and I'm afraid it can't
    be hard core Acid as I can't stand it.
              
                                Marco
                                     still happy! 
                                    
                                         :-)

    acid house went out when fred flintstone was born, smiley T-shirts
    have been disowned by the acid fraternity.  Anyway deep house is
    in and acid was just a new name for house, and deep house is just
    the new name for chicago (the original) house.  Hooray for Marchall
    Jefferson.
    
    ie;  Royal House - Party People, was house
    and  Royal House - Can U Party is the the same some, re-released,
    but is now acid.
    
    mattyb

    
    	I'm back at DEC in Sunny Basingstoke smiling to myself.
    
    	But, I'll be coming back to Germany in the next few months
    	(came back during Easter actually). If you really are interested
    	in any of the House music around I'll get my friend to mix a
    	tape up for you.
    
    	Alan.
    
    	P.S. Are you still with us Paul? If so have one for me!
    		and give me a bell sometime.

    Hi Al,
    
    How comes youre coming back to GY? plus where abouts??
    
    
    Mfg
    
    Paul
    

    Can we keep personal messages to mail or telephone please?
    
    Keith

    4 Years on and acid is back. Now it is being used in lightweight house
    tunes to hard techno.
    
    
    If there are any fans out there lets keep the acid noise going. Whoever
    invented the Roland 303 is a genius
    
    Respect to HARDFLOOR and Oliver Bondzio
    
    Keep the bleeps coming forever and ever
    
    Matt
    

    Pardon?

    What do you mean pardon?
    M

    RE: .34
    
    	Was that esperanto?
    

    Is it me or is this, suddenly from years as being redundant, note getting
    very weird ?
    
    I put in the entry .33 because I love acid music, and the general sound
    of the Roland TB303. 
    
    What's going on ?
                                                               
    M

    >> What do you mean pardon?
	
    It means I have no idea what you are talking about.
	
    Phil Gill.

                     <<< Note 157.37 by SUBURB::EDWARDSM >>>
                               -< Come Again ? >-
    
    RE: .38
    	
    	Same here.
    
    }}I put in the entry .33 because I love acid music, and the general sound
    }}of the Roland TB303. 
    
    }}What's going on ?
    
    	What is a Roland TB303?  Is it anything like a Webley's Vickers?
    
    	Who or what is HARDFLOOR?
    
    	And who is Oliver Bondzio?
    
    -=Dave=-
    
    P.S. Please keep in mind that I'm from the other side of the planet.
    
    

    Well, seeing that the title of this note is ACID HOUSE it seems a bit
    strange that you are writing in it if you don't know anything about
    this type of music.
    
    >The Roland TB303 is the machine that makes the 'acid' noise
    >Oliver Bondzio is part of HARDFLOOR - a German techno group that play
    alot of acid, and use a 303 all the time in their music.
    
    There you go
    
    All clear now ?
    
    Matt

    >>All clear now ?
    
    Yes.
    
    >>Well, seeing that the title of this note is ACID HOUSE it seems a bit
    >>strange that you are writing in it if you don't know anything about
    >>this type of music.
    
    Well its an attempt to keep the conference going really, the readership
    has reduced considerably since this note was last used.
    
    Phil Gill.

                     <<< Note 157.40 by SUBURB::EDWARDSM >>>
                              -< Not Acid Fans ? >-

    }}Well, seeing that the title of this note is ACID HOUSE it seems a bit
    }}strange that you are writing in it if you don't know anything about
    }}this type of music.
    
    	I am reading (and writing) here to learn more about this type of
    music from people, such as yourself, who are more informed about it. If
    you use terms and names that only people who already know about it
    understand then you are bound to end up fielding questions from thoughs
    of us who don't, right?
    
    }}All clear now ?
    
    	Yes.  
    	Sorry to bother you.
    
    	-=Dave=-
    

So how do I know when I'm listening to acid house - what's a Roland 303
sound like?


Rod

    Like acid !
    
    No, seriously. I wasn't trying to be snobby, just thought it was
    strange for non-acid fans to be reading this note.
    
    
    Well, acid house really came to light in 87/88, with all the large
    scale illegal parties, and yes those Smiley face T-Shirts.
    Unfortunately I was only 14 at the time and therefore didn't go to
    those sort things, but I still liked the music.
    With the increase in popularity of techno music i.e all electronic
    dance/listening music, the acid sound has come back to these shores,
    despite it never really disappearing in Europe.
    
    The noise of the ROLAND TB303 is EXTREMELY hard to describe without
    listening to it or if you've never heard it before. It sounds VERY
    electronic, and is basically a series of pips and bleeps in a set
    sequence that constantly change in pitch, and often in speed. This is
    seen in a lot of dance tracks called "Acid Builders". The beat starts
    off and you can hear the 303 rumbling away in the back ground, as it
    steadily progresses to the forefront, becoming louder and faster . 
    
    All I can really say is if you really want to hear what noise a 303
    makes go out and buy some records of an acid variety (or find some one
    that can play them to you ie a dance music shop).
    
    There ye go! Is that any help ?
    
    Matt
                       

    According to 'Future Music' these Roland TB303s are selling second hand
    for up to �300.  Which is pretty good as they were �70 new.
    
    tp

    70 quid? You could barely buy one of those crap Casio things for that
    amount 5/6 years ago. Or is the TB303 not that sophisticated?
    
    Phil Gill.

    Well looking at the picture...No it doesn't look very sophisticated. 
    It hasn't even got a proper keyboard, just some buttons arranged in a 1
    octave piano layout.
    
    tp

    Er... Now I remember, I think the magazine mentioned that one of it's
    contributors bought one second hand for �70 a few years ago, so perhaps
    it was a bit more new.
    
    tp

    Yeh, I think they were abit more than 70 quid new !, but it is true, they
    are selling for a lot of money nowadays for the simple fact that they
    are not made anymore, and people are getting back into that kinda sound. 
    Although a friend of mine saw an ad for one in Bournemouth for 50 quid!
    Surprisingly enough, it had been sold when he phoned up.
    
    They are pretty basic in comparison with the Korgs and Yamaha's of
    today, and they will only really play acid, but the knobs and buttons can
    help achieve a whole range of speeds, pitch and tone - so they are pretty
    versitile, albeit in only one type of music/sound. But then if you like
    acid, WHO's Complaining ?
    
    Matt