Conference marvin::uk_music

                    
    
    I agree Andy.  The damage caused by those football "fans" is diabolical,
    causing damage and violence that mean each match has to be supervised
    by an army of riot Police, all at the tax payer's expense. 
                    
    But a hippie festival, well from the very little I know about them
    (No Declan I ain't a hippie :-) they seem to only be interested
    in Piece and Pot (what more does one need ;-).
                    
    Somebodys threatening to stop a non-violent festival and there's
    nothing much anybody can do but if somebody tried to stop the FA
    Cup Final then....well it just could not be done.
                                                                         
    Stone henge *is* a good place for it coz J.H. Christ said something    
    in the bible about dancing, but if the main man wanted us to play    
    in FA Cup Finals then, well he would have given us PUMA Football     
    boots for feet wouldn't he peeps?                                    

    Re -.1
    
    I'm not sure if you where serious or not so please forgive if I
    have jumped in with two feet, when I should not have done 8-).
    
    But....
                                                                           
>    Stone henge *is* a good place for it coz J.H. Christ said something    
>    in the bible about dancing, but if the main man wanted us to play    
>    in FA Cup Finals then, well he would have given us PUMA Football     
>    boots for feet wouldn't he peeps?                                    
           
    
    The Summer festival is not a Christian festival, if I remember
    correctly it is a druid Holy day. Either the sun or the moon. I
    personally am not in favour of the gathering, perhaps out of lack
    of info ?                     
    
    Yes I agree that David (the second King of Israel) did dance when
    the Ark of the covenment was returned. He was however "Dancing before
    the Lord" as an act of praise and worship. I cannot see that being
    the case at the mentioned festival ??
    
    Mark

Re :< Note 95.2 by CHEFS::LAWSONM "You Can't SEE God with earthly eyes" >
                            -< True ! but not so ! >-
    
>    Yes I agree that David (the second King of Israel) did dance when
>    the Ark of the covenment was returned. He was however "Dancing before
>    the Lord" as an act of praise and worship. I cannot see that being
>    the case at the mentioned festival ??

Whyever not?

Don't think David was a Christian either mind you.


Nigel

    
    Whilst I confess to not being a particularly religious chap I fail
    to see what difference it makes who one is dancing in front of,
    beit Lord or Juke-box. ;-)
    
    .2�  ..I cannot see that being the case at the mentioned festival ??
                                               
    WHY NOT???
    
    FWIW, why does no-one take me seriously?

    
    Is Stonehenge "public" land?  I was under the impression that it
    had been annexed by the National Trust a long time ago.  Tourists
    these days can't even get near it, and to be as close as the NT
    permits, you even have to *pay*.  Madness.  Mind you, the decay
    that the stones experienced due to aerosol paint, knives, etc. was
    real enough, and it doesn't matter *how* peaceful the hippies might
    be as a group, there will *always* be the minority who want to ruin
    things for everyone else, and that's why they won't allow people
    'inside' the monument.  
    					Ian!
                                            

    RE last few
    
    Sorry I *WILL* take you seriously !
    
    You raised the issue of dance/religion I didn't. The reason I replied
    is that as a Born-again Christian [ Oh no not one of those !! 8-)]
    I dislike and feel that it is wrong to use the Lord's name in vain.
    
    Linking Jesus Christ [plse not the lack of and "H."] name with this
    festival does to my mind do just that.
    
    It is not a "CHRISTIAN" festival and therefore should be recognised
    as such. I would not support a "PAGAN" festival.
    
    I do however realise that not everyone sees things the way I do
    8-)
        
    Regards
    
    Mark

                       -< Druids :== Charlatans >-
    
    I've noticed some references to Druids as being somehow religiously
    "legitimate" in using S'henge for their activities.
    Now, this is OK, anyone is able to claim a "special place" for their
    rites (or lefts for that matter) but I seem to remember that these
    Druids were the Invention of the Victorians (along with the vast
    majority of Tartans) and don't precede that era.
    
    Is this a free festival? If so, then the NT may be a wee bit wary
    about letting this event take place as these events usually leave
    a sizeable quantity of debris behind (mostly bags & bags of dead
    brain cells 8-) ) and there may not be a *legally enforcable* way
    to get the organisers to clean up.
    
    Why the big deal about S'henge? It's a nice spot sure {was there
    when you could walk around between the stones for free - and no,
    I wasn't wearing animal skins at the time} but there's no way you'd
    see the stones at a festival. Plenty other spots.
    
    Not that I've much time for the NT, they seem far too busy preserving
    Upper-Class Mansions as example of Great English Architecture than
    doing much else. I'd have though exlempifying houses built by Slave
    money would be considered bad taste. Bit like re-furbishing der
    F�hrer's bunker in Berlin.
    
    That's enuf Rat-holing for now methinks...
       

    
        
    	Yes i'm in favour of a summer music festival I dont care where
    it is as long as the music and atmosphere are as good as the previous
    Glastonburys that i've been to. 
    	
    FWIW the Reading rock festival isn't worth a spit as the music
    nowdays is all heavy and thus does not lend itself to a mixed audience.
    (I do like heavy metal, but not three solid days of it). The audiences
    that generally attend ReadingRock tend toward the more violent sections
    of our society.
    
    	The Glastonbury festivals have a much more varied lineup of
    artists and ive heard evrything from the Dubliners to Osibisa there.
    The event is frequented by a reasonable cross section of society
    and is far more relaxed and enjoyable.
    
    Gavin
    
    	

    What is every ones problem , a bunch of stoned hippies want to hang
    out , drink heavily, listen to music ,smoke you know what and indulge
    in a bit of free love and nakedness . Well thats okay with me ,
    if it keeps them off the streets , no problem . What is Stonehenge
    but a bunch of big old rocks in a circular pattern, not very impressive
    at all and definetly not worth breaking sweat over. In my poisonal
    opinion i think the hipps would have more respect for it than people
    give them credit for, after all most of them are university proffesors
    and software engineers aren't they ? I think there not enough of
    this free love and party feeling about at the moment , every one
    is toooo serious , we should encourage this kind of groovy behaviour.
    Perhaps a local government grant could be arranged to help the aged
    old hippies in their endeavours and to arrange a minibus to and
    from their old folks homes. 
    
    	Eran
    
    ps . Does anybody FEEL the same way as me about the state of the
    nation...... 
    
    pps . twelve pints please :-)

as far as I can see a music festival is for loads of people to gather together 
in one place , listen to lots of bands, meet people and generaly have a good 
time for a few days. Now this sounds like a pretty good idea to me, but why does 
this have to take place at stonehenge ?
  Whatever stonehenge was origionally designed for I doubt it was as a concert 
venue, and using it as such cannot do the site any good , however carefull 
we all are.

It seems to me that some people just like being awkward - "Big Brother doesn't 
want us to go there, so we will show how anarchic we can be, by going".

Sorry if this sounds like a bit of a bleat but I dont see the relationship 
between an ancient monument which may or may not have had religious purpose in 
pre history (the druids are a pretty recent invention aren't they) and a music 
festival.

Maybee the National Trust could do the decent thing and set aside some of their  
less controvertial (and less prone to damage) property ,to be used as a 
permenant home for an annual festival of music/good times/ peace/ etc  (I always 
think that etc is the best bit ! ). How about some thoughts about that idea ?

    I'd say .-1 hit the nail on the head. For the majority of attendees
    the festival is a good excuse for a good time, and there are no
    religious connections with the event. The druids presence should
    not be confused with that of the 30000 or so hippies that camp out
    for days on end. The problem that the authorities face is that by
    allowing the festival to take place, they are in fact condoning
    law breaking in a big way due to the large amounts of illegal
    substances openly on sale. I think that the festival as it has
    existed in previous years is too anarchic to fit into our society,
    where you have to pay for what you get. Since the war much common
    land has fallen into private hands, so there isn't anywhere to
    hold the event without mass trespass. I think that toning down the
    whole thing a bit, charging a small entry fee to pay for sanitation
    and medical presence is the way forwards for this.

    Brendan.

    re .6,
    
    	Do you celebrate Christmas ? From my RK lessons I seem to remember
    that it was 'borrowed' from the pagans .....

    Re .12
    
    Sorry how is it hypocritical; There was a time when around 25th
    Dec pagans did celebrate xyz; Yes the New testament church celebrates
    Christ's birth at Christmas time; where's the connection.
    
    sorry you will have to help me on this one ?
    
    as always.
    
    Mark

    
    SET FLAME=ON
    'scuse me mr moderator.
    
    This is a MUSIC conference. please find somewhere else to argue
    about the pros and cons of religion.
    
    SET FLAME=OFF

    
    A funny thing happened on a trip through my music collection...
    
    I have songs by "The Jesus & Mary Chain", "The Christians", "The
    Mission", "The Bible", "The Church".  Good grief, and you want us
    to avoid mentioning religion in this conference? 8^)
    
    								Ian!

    
    	re .16
    
    	I got a CD by The Bible a few days ago, I'd never heard of them,
    	but because of headphones dangling all over the shop, listened
    	to a couple of tracks, great stuff. Is this their first album_?,
    	have they had any hits ?, you get a bit out of touch after a bit.
    
    	Any info appreciated...	Doug.
    

    
    Doug,
    	  "Eureka" is the current album by The Bible, and is (I imagine)
    the CD you've got?  This is not their debut though, the first album
    is entitled "Walking The Ghost Back Home" and was released on an
    independent label (don't know any details about the label, or the
    date of release though), and has been touted as an even better album
    than "Eureka" by various members of the music press.
        
    From "Walking The Ghost back Home" they released one single that
    I know of, "Mahalia", which (in 12" form) also features on the CD
    single of their latest release, "Crystal Palace" (from "Eureka").
    
    That's all I know.  They *are* a good band though, aren't they?
    
    Ian!

    Ian,
    
    I've got a double single by The Bible with "Graceland" as the main
    A-side, a live version of "Glorybound(?)" on its B-side, "Mahalia"
    as the A-side of the second single (is this making sense?) and
    something else which escapes me as its B-side. "Graceland" was
    easily my favourite song of last year - I agree that The Bible
    are SUPERB! Now to get hold of "Eureka"...
    
    Paul

    
    
    How can you forget 'Graceland' ,once heard that is .
    
    I'd agree with you Paul ,one of the best of last year .
    By all accounts (although you can't believe too much you read )the
    new album isn't up to the same standard - I'll decide when I manage
    to hear it .
    
    Stuart.

    
    Ah yes well but....ok ok, sorry guys, I should have mentioned
    "Graceland" which also features on the extended release of 
    "Crystal Palace".  Although I've heard quite a few songs from the
    album(s) (mostly courtesy of Liz Kershaw...!) I haven't purchased
    them yet....*but* I shall do so this very lunchtime with the cash
    I have suddenly printed...I mean earned.  
    
    "The Golden Mile" is one of my fave tracks, if I'm honest about
    it.  Love the rhythm, a great driving song.
                                                 
    							Ian!
                                           

    My sister is a Bible nut and regularly forces me to listen to the
    LP with Graceland and all that on, by playing it bloody loud all
    the time. Incidentally, she wrote to the boys in the band asking
    questions etc. and received back a really lengthy and detailed
    reply. I was very impressed by this. Not only can they play a bit,
    but they've got a bit of time for the fans aswell.          
    
    Ian

    
    
    	re .18
    
    	Thanks Ian, Yes Eureka is the one I've got, I'll look out for
    	'Walking the Ghost Back Home' next time I'm home.
    
    	Cheers...	Doug.

Ahem,

I did  intentionally  set  this  note  up  for discussions around the Summer
Solstice Celebrations and Stonhenge.

If you  so  wish  to  continue  your  discussions  about other topics please
create a new note as this one is swaying off it's primary note.

If you  would  like to make a contribution to this topic please re-read note
.0.

Thanks

	\Andy

PS. If you so continue to discuss other topics I shall write lock it.

    The sentiments expressed in the last note are supported by me. Please
    try to keep to the basenote topic, or feel free to start a new topic
    if appropriate.
    
    Keith

    GREETINGS !!
    
    yes it's one of those loud , .... aliens from america . sorry no
    loud checked jackets or such ....
    
    anyway . sounds like a familier (sp) problem . red rocks in colorado
    is a natural ampitheater , with a extremely beautiful park surrounding
    it . a great place to camp out before a concert and do what ever
    your heart desires ...
    locals are doing ther best to stop concerts and such ; due to the
    LOUD music , and the type of folk attending these gatherings .
    we as a group of concert goers do our best to stop stupid folk from
    destroying the natural beauty of the area . but beasts will be
    beasts....
    what finally slowed the controversy has been that they ( the beasts
    )
    oops....
    have a major portion of THEIR music removed from the schedule of
    shows 
    beings that your festival happen once a year at a place where some
    people only dream of seeing . the potential damage to a place of
    potential interest is enough of a reason to move the shows to another
    place to have fun .
    consider coming to visit the rockies only ot find that we have become
    so bored with it that it has been spray painted to look like ouir
    lovely new york subways .
    
    give it some thought before you accidently let someone DESTROY your
    unique landscape .
    
                                     thanx for listening
                                              kevin

    There is that side to it , but the difference (I suspect) at Stone
    Henge is that the "hippies"do no actual damage to the stones . Most
    of them camp at least half a mile away and only (try to) visit the
    stones once or twice during the festival .                     
    The stones were not erected to be looked at from behind a rope fifty             
    yards away - they were meant to be touched and admired . the Heritage
    people make over one and a half million pounds a year from charging
    people to look at the stones from afar - most of this goes on 
    renovating Lord such-and-such's crumbling old mansion which gets
    visited by about three people a year . 
    The hippy festival went on for ten years with little or no trouble
    but come the eleventh year , when some anachronistic law said the
    event would be legal , the cops screamed in with riot gear .Until
    this unnecessary police intervention the festival had always been
    a peaceful , troublefree (admittedly bombed-out)event but since
    then (1985) there have been police-instigated clashes every year
    The so-called druids have no right to the stones whatsoever .This
    bunch first appeared at the end of the last century , and the  
    original druids didn't exist until a thousand years after the  
    completion of the Henge .        
    So what's all the fuss about ? Basically it's probably something
    to do with the fact that the authorities can't bear to see such
    a large and popular group of people beating the system so      
    successfully .   
    If enough people keep going the govt. will have to back down . 
    There is already a growing body of people against the excessive
    force employed by the police , and that's as it should be .    
    If anyone wants to enjoy a good few hazy crazy days in June    
    get to Stone Henge . The rocks'll love you for it .               
     
      
    Sorry to go on
                  but
                     I'm 
                         feeling
                                mmmmmelllowww
                                             PETE <8-k (2 at once)
                                                       

    When's it start, Pete?
    
    Bob