| Title: | Discussions from a Christian Perspective |
| Notice: | Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome! |
| Moderator: | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE |
| Created: | Mon Sep 17 1990 |
| Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 1362 |
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Consider...
Matt 12:30 and Luke 11:23
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with
me scatters.
...vs...
Mark 9:40
"for whoever is not against us is for us."
..and..
Luke 9:50
"Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for
you."
Is there contradiction between Matt 12:30/Luke 11:233 and Mark
9:40/Luke 9:50? Perhaps not, but only in a world where there is no
neutrality. In such a world, are those who are not against Jesus by
default, with Jesus?
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| 1359.1 | PHXSS1::HEISER | Maranatha! | Wed May 28 1997 15:09 | 1 | |
What do these verses mean in context? | |||||
| 1359.2 | SMARTT::DGAUTHIER | Thu May 29 1997 08:52 | 1 | ||
I dunno Mike, what do you think? | |||||
| 1359.3 | PHXSS1::HEISER | Maranatha! | Thu May 29 1997 10:55 | 1 | |
I think you took them all out of context to try and make a point. | |||||
| 1359.4 | SMARTT::DGAUTHIER | Thu May 29 1997 11:26 | 19 | ||
Not true Mike. I'm posing a question and not trying to make a point.
I thought it would be an interesting topic.
Actually, I got the idea from a book called "The Hard Sayings of Jesus"
written by a biblical scholar named F.F. Bruce. If the darn text
scanner on our cluster was working right, I'd be happy to include what
his thoughts on this are. It's too much to type in by hand.
Anyway, he suggests that these are statements about the conflict
between good and evil. He suggests that in this conflict you're either
on the side of right or wrong, there is no neutral position. The
non-disciple mentioned in Mark 9 and Luke 9 recognized Jesus' authority
and was therefor on Jesus' side, so... "Do not stop him". And yes Mike,
I wonder what Jesus would say about someone who did not recognize his
authority but who opposed evil.
Would you agree with his assessment?
-dave
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| 1359.5 | PHXSS1::HEISER | Maranatha! | Thu May 29 1997 12:49 | 6 | |
I agree with F.F. Bruce in that there is no neutral. Even Bob Dylan
recognized that when he sang, "You gotta serve somebody!" There is no
gray area with Jesus Christ.
I still don't think anyone has to take verses out of context to make
this point though.
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