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Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
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Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
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1230.0. "The Burning of Black Churches" by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE (Psalm 85.10) Thu Jun 13 1996 01:20

    A string of arson-caused fires have taken place in recent months
    in the US against black churches.  Any insights or speculations about
    these incidents?
    
    Richard
    
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1230.1MKOTS3::JMARTINMadison...5'2'' 95 lbs.Thu Jun 13 1996 12:0215
    Richard:
    
    A report given yesterday showed that in the timeframe 30 churches
    were burned, 100 white churches were burned.
    
    I don't make light of this by any means, but I do believe this issue
    transcends the issue of race and bigotry.  I believe the burnings are
    hate crimes propogated by punks...who have no idea of the grave
    mistakes they are making.  As far as the black churches, yes, it is
    highly likely the KKK or somebody from the KKK was involved.  
    
    The real question is, what are we as the body of Christ intent on doing
    about it?  
    
    -Jack
1230.2CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPsalm 85.10Thu Jun 13 1996 19:1514
    Let's also not forget there are hundreds more White churches than Black
    churches in the US.
    
    Church buildings do make an easy target for vandals.  Some of the
    arsons of both predominently Black churches and predominently White
    churches probably fall into this category.  Some may be "copycat"
    crimes.
    
    However, it is not unreasonable to consider that there might be a link,
    if not a conspiracy.  What do the White churches being burned have in
    common, and not just theologically?
    
    Richard
    
1230.3MKOTS3::JMARTINMadison...5'2'' 95 lbs.Fri Jun 14 1996 13:4511
    Actually Richard, thinking more about it...I am leaning toward the
    conspiracy theory now.  
    
    The crimes are propogated by hate groups.  The
    significance here is that hate groups are stooping low to target the
    church in an effort to persecute blacks throughout the south. 
    Regardless however of what the church is, I believe that the body of
    Christ is being attacked here.
    
    -Jack
    
1230.4His believers are HimSUBSYS::LOPEZHe showed me a River!Fri Jun 14 1996 14:3718

	"...Truly I say to you, in so far as you did it to once of these, 
the least of My brothers, you did it to Me."  Matt 25:40

	"But Saul, still breathing threatening and murder against the 
disciples of the Lord...Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? And he said,
Who are you, Lord? And He said, I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting."
Acts 9:1-5

	To persecute a member or members of His Body is to persecute the
Lord Himself. A day is coming when this will be made perfectly clear to
all.

Regards,
Ace

 
1230.5Cross-posted from another string in this conferenceCSC32::J_CHRISTIEPsalm 85.10Fri Jul 05 1996 17:43157
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Records show few fires result from racism; rise in white fires
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Copyright � 1996 The Associated Press

(Jul 5, 1996 02:29 a.m. EDT) -- Amid all the frightening images of churches
aflame, amid all the fears of raging racism, a surprising truth emerges:
There is little hard evidence of a sudden wave of racially motivated arsons
against black churches in the South.

A review of six years of federal, state and local data by The Associated
Press found arsons are up -- at both black and white churches -- but with
only random links to racism. Insurance industry officials say this year's
toll is within the range of what they would normally expect.

There is no evidence that most of the 73 black church fires recorded since
1995 can be blamed on a conspiracy or a general climate of racial hatred. In
fewer than 20 cases, racism is the clear motivation.

"You don't want to discount the racially motivated fires, but this a crime
that has been going on for a long time and affects all religions and races,"
said Loretta Worters, a spokeswoman for the Insurance Information Institute,
a trade group that tracks data affecting insurance companies.

Among the findings in a review of church fires in 11 Southern states where
the trend was first noted:

--Largely because of a few nights' work by serial arsonists, there has been
an 18-month jump in black church arsons.

Such fires are fairly rare in most states, and thus they multiply quickly.
For example, Louisiana had seven black church arsons all year; four of them
occurred in a one-night spree in the Baton Rouge area.

Mississippi averages about two black church arsons a year; when two churches
burned on the same night in rural Kossuth, this year's tally stood at four.
There have been six fires in Alabama -- twice the average number for a year
-- after three fires in three weeks in a single county.

--The number of white church fires also has increased. Florida, Georgia,
Tennessee, Oklahoma and Virginia have seen more fires at white churches than
black churches since 1995.

The spread was greatest in Texas, where a USA Today survey published last
week found 20 white church fires and 11 black church fires. The total count
for the last 18 months: 75 fires at white churches and 73 at black churches.
The tally for the past six years offers a wider margin: 248 arsons at white
churches compared to 161 at black churches.

--There is evidence pointing to racially motivated arsons in 12 to 18 of the
fires, including arrests for two fires in South Carolina and two in
Tennessee. Another four Tennessee fires had clear racial overtones. Evidence
suggests cases where black churches were singled out in Alabama, Mississippi
and Louisiana.

--Racism is unlikely in 15 black fires. Black suspects were named in nine of
those cases; another six churches were burned as part of arson sprees that
included both white and black property.

--In the remaining dozen cases where there have been arrests the question of
racism is more subtle. The gallery of suspects includes drunken teen-agers,
devil worshippers, burglars and three separate cases where firefighters are
accused of setting blazes they then helped put out.

Another possible motivation: At least 18 fires at black and white churches
have come in the weeks since President Clinton first spotlighted the issue
of black church fires.

"There's a lot of feeling out there that there are copycat fires," said
Richard Gilman of the Insurance Committee for Arson Control, an industry
trade group.

Fire experts like Gilman say the seeming rash of fires reveals a simple
fact: Churches have long been a favorite target for arsonists.

National Fire Protection Association data show the rate of church arsons has
dropped steadily from the 1,420 recorded in 1980. But in 1994, the last year
of available data, there were an estimated 520 church arsons nationwide --
about 10 a week.

Often located in isolated rural areas, empty for most of the week, churches
offer a secluded venue for firebugs, vandals, thieves and those with a
grudge.

Thirty percent of all church fires are attributed to arson, twice the rate
of all structure fires in the United States.

"The number of arson fires that have broken out this year are within the
norm," the Insurance Information Institute's Worters said.

Still, the furor over black church fires has caught on, to the point that
the president, Attorney General Janet Reno, Christian Coalition executive
director Ralph Reed, and scores of religious and political figures have
spoken out against them.

How was the federal government alerted to the issue? The states inform
federal authorities of church arsons; those notifications increased in 1995,
and investigators are trying to determine what that means.

Some fires are clearly a product of hate. Since 1990, federal and state
courts have heard at least seven cases that sent 23 people to prison for
burning or desecrating 13 churches and one synagogue.

One of those cases involved the torching of a pair of Tennessee churches by
three white men whose Super Bowl carousing turned ugly. More recently, two
young men with Ku Klux Klan ties were arrested for burning two South
Carolina churches.

Evidence of racial motivation exists for arsons in Tennessee, Louisiana,
Mississippi and Alabama where neighboring black churches were burned over a
short period while nearby white churches were spared.

"You can't discount the fairly obvious thread of racism that is involved. I
don't think there's room in America for that kind of coincidence," said Noah
Chandler, a research associate with the Center for Democratic Renewal, the
Atlanta-based civil rights group that has campaigned to bring attention to
black church fires in the South.

But little evidence of racial intent exists in a majority of the recent
fires. Investigators, and in some cases even church officials, have
discounted hate as a motivation in a dozen cases where whites were arrested
and in a number of cases that remain under investigation.

Many of the unsolved cases are believed to be the work of burglars or
juveniles or accidents.

"Most times until you identify the perpetrator you can't know the motive,"
said John Robison, Alabama's fire marshal. "Yes, there are some of them that
are racially motivated, but a vast majority of them are not."

For the residents of Barnwell County, S.C., motive remains a mystery in an
attack on three churches along a six-mile stretch of Highway 300 on the
night of April 13.

Arsonists using diesel fuel hit the black Rosemary Baptist Church and two
white congregations, Mount Olivet Baptist and Allen's Chapel Baptist. The
black church was seriously damaged; fires failed to spread at the other two.

When Gov. David Beasley visited the black church and appeared with its
pastor, Allen's Chapel pastor J.H. Propst watched from the crowd.

"No one in the community really understands these fires," Propst said. "But
from the president on down to the governor, no one has focused on the fact
they intended to burn our church down, too."

But the issue has not been divisive. Propst's church voted to open its doors
to the black congregation.

"If anything, it has brought us together as Christian people," he said.
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