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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

1179.0. "1 Samuel 2:22" by POWDML::FLANAGAN (let your light shine) Fri Nov 10 1995 08:01

    1 Samuel 2:22
    
    Now Eli was very old.  He heard all that his sons were doing to all
    Israel, and how they lay with the women who served at the entrance to
    the tent of meeting.  
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1179.1???POWDML::FLANAGANlet your light shineFri Nov 10 1995 08:024
    Who are these women at the entrance to the tent of meeting?
    
    Are they temple prostitutes?  Is the tent of meeting associated with
    the cult of Yahweh?
1179.2OUTSRC::HEISERwatchman on the wallFri Nov 10 1995 11:081
    What makes you think YHWH worship is a cult?
1179.3POWDML::FLANAGANlet your light shineFri Nov 10 1995 11:1514
    Mike,
    
    I believe the oldest strain of Yahweh worship seen in the earliest
    writing contain in the historic books and in some of the Psalms
    support the idea of a Yahweh cult.
    
    Miriam's Dance in Exodus,
    The Ark story in 1Samuel 4-6
    The cult at Shiloah as shown in the quote just posted?
    
    What makes you think that the earliest forms of Yahweh worship was not
    Cultic in nature.
    
                                     Patricia
1179.4one and the sameOUTSRC::HEISERwatchman on the wallFri Nov 10 1995 14:143
    Christianity must be a YHWH cult since we worship Him as well.
    
    Mike
1179.5COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Nov 10 1995 15:4818
Mike, don't get overly upset at the word "cult".

Usually it is used in a negative sense, but it also has a very proper
usage simply meaning "honor".

So, yes, it is very proper to say that Christians and Jews practice the
cult of YHWH.  Here it means the honor associated with worship.

It can also be used for lesser honor, such as that due to a great person
who has died, e.g. someone like St. Francis of Assisi.  Those who felt that
he should be honored in a special way because of his great service to Christ
can be said to practice the cult of St. Francis.

And thus you have expressions such as "a local cult" which, for example,
your own church might practice for a former pastor who died, by simply
remembering him, collecting his sermons, and praising God for his ministry.

/john
1179.6CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Fri Nov 10 1995 18:0616
On cults:

	I once checked out a book from the public library entitled something
like _Cults_and_the_Occult_.  Therein I was astonished and amused to find a
whole chapter on Quakers!

On Eli's sons (1 Samuel 2.12-17, 22-26):

	It just goes to show you, though they say the apple doesn't fall far
from the tree, the ways of one's children can sometimes stray sharply from
the ways of the parents.  William Penn's offspring, for example, were quite
unscrupulous and self-serving.

Shalom,
Richard

1179.7MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalMon Nov 13 1995 10:015
    This is very true.  Consider Hezekiah who was amongst the more Godly
    kings.  He had a son named Manassah who was probably the most wicked
    King in the history of Israel!
    
    -Jack
1179.8MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalMon Nov 13 1995 10:024
    Didn't Eli's sons actually die horrible deaths in their youth?  I
    believe it was actually prophecied.
    
    -Jack