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Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
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Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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1170.0. "'In Search of Satan' on PBS" by CAPNET::ROSCH () Wed Oct 25 1995 09:19

    FWIW - PBS' FRONTLINE last night had an investigative report on Satanic
    Ritual Abuse (9pm est channel 2).  I believe it'll be repeated tonight
    on N.H. PBS (Channel 11).  Check the listings in your local area.
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1170.1appreciatedTNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonWed Oct 25 1995 13:2611
                                            
    I personally know the mother of two children who were subjected to
    satanic ritual abuse by their father (parents were divorced, father 
    had custody), and it's a miracle these children are even alive.  
    It's just horrible beyond imagination what they've been through...and 
    the mother may never know the exact extent of it all because the
    children were so young when it happened.  
    
    Thanks for the information - I will try to see it.
    
    Cindy
1170.2OUTSRC::HEISERwatchman on the wallWed Oct 25 1995 15:334
    Funny you say that, Cindy.  Some people in the LitterBox(tm) claim that
    SRA is a fabrication of Christiandom.
    
    Mike
1170.3CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Wed Oct 25 1995 16:096
    Actually, I saw a good portion of the program last night.  And from
    what I saw of it, it is more an indictment against a few manipulative
    psychiatric professionals.
    
    Richard

1170.4LGP30::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (DTN 297-5780, MRO2-3/E8)Thu Oct 26 1995 07:2125
re Note 1170.3 by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE:

>     Actually, I saw a good portion of the program last night.  And from
>     what I saw of it, it is more an indictment against a few manipulative
>     psychiatric professionals.
  
        Yes, this program wasn't an investigation of satanism, rather
        it covered the work of two psychiatric hospitals and their
        treatment of multiple personality disorder in two families by
        blaming it on satanic ritual and then coercing information
        from the patients.  The only "evidence" of satanic ritual
        abuse was the patients' original mental problems plus
        confessions extracted after extreme interrogation techniques.

        The only connection made to anything Christian was a brief
        excerpt from a sermon warning the congregation of the
        activities of satanists.  It was never clear exactly what the
        psychiatrists believed and what their motives may have been
        (although it was pointed out that most such patients have a
        lot of medical insurance).

        This certainly couldn't be considered an investigation into
        whether satanism, in general, exists.

        Bob
1170.5http://limestone.kosone.com/people/ocrt/ra_study.htmCAPNET::ROSCHFri Oct 27 1995 11:1393
    CHILDHOOD RITUAL ABUSE STUDIES
    
    Makeup of the largest US Study
    
    A massive study of ritualistic child abuse was completed in the fall of
    1994. It was funded by the US Federal Government's National Centre on
    Child Abuse and Neglect. 
    
    They obtained responses from over 6900 clinicians (psychiatrists,
    clinical psychologists, and social workers); and from over 4600
    agencies (county District Attorneys, Departments of Social Services and
    municipal Law Enforcement agencies). 
    
    They uncovered over 12,000 cases of suspected ritual abuse. But when
    they looked for cases that they could say with some confidence actually
    exhibited evidence of abuse, they found only one. 
    
    
    Results of the largest US Study
    
    Some of their findings include:
    
    12,264 cases of suspected SRA were found.  69% of clinicians reported
    no cases; most of the rest reported 1 or 2; 1.4% of the clinicians
    reported over 100 cases each.  the vast majority of clinicians believe
    their clients to be telling the truth about real events.  77% of the
    agencies reported no cases; most of the rest reported 1 or 2; 2.2% of
    the agencies reported over 100 cases each  The vast majority of
    agencies believe their clients to be telling the truth about real
    events  Only 1 of the 12,264 suspected cases could confidently be
    accepted as real abuse This involved a 16 year old male whose parents
    were Satanists. He took part in rituals which sometimes involved sexual
    activity. He was an observer, victim and perpetrator.  child victims'
    stories do not agree with adult survivor memories: child victims report
    scary activities (e.g. being put in a coffin and lowered into a grave);
    adult survivors talk of child memories of horrendous activities (e.g.
    including the killing of infants, cannibalism, drinking blood, the most
    extreme torture and mutilation, etc).  Little or no physical evidence
    found; usually scars that could have been self inflicted.  No child
    pornography involving Satanic themes has ever been discovered in US. 
    No evidence of Generational Satanists exists.  No evidence exists of
    bizarre and horrible Satanic ritual abuse scenarios which regularly
    occurred in many repressed memory cases among adults.  No unequivocal
    evidence of large scale, well organized Satanic cults exists.  A major
    problem was uncovered of Christian based child abuse: Beating the devil
    out of the child during exorcisms,  Excessive child discipline
    ("sparing the rod spoils the child")  Depriving children of medical
    help in favour of prayer.
    
    This Problem appears to be concentrated among a very few members of
    conservative Christian churches.  Young children were found to have
    little precise knowledge of Satanic symbols and rituals. A very small
    percentage of the therapists and a very small percentage of the
    agencies reported essentially all of the cases of non-Christian ritual
    abuse. The study organizers speculate that these therapists and
    agencies may be creating memories of childhood abuse due to their
    therapy and interview techniques. 
    
    
    
    Other Studies
    
    Recent studies were also made by the Governments of Virginia, Great
    Britain and the Netherlands. Although not as extensive as the US
    Federal study described above, they all reached the same conclusion
    that Satanic/Sadistic ritual abuse does not exist as a significant
    problem in their areas. 
    
    The FBI Behavioral Sciences laboratory is the main law enforcement
    group in the United States specializing in SRA. They have been called
    in by local police forces in hundreds of cases of suspected SRA.
    Although they have found many cases involved sexual and physical abuse
    of children, none involved ritual abuse by non-Christian groups. 
    
    
    
    Reports of Studies
    
    1.Clearing House on Child Abuse & Neglect Information, Characteristics
    & Sources of Allegations of Ritual Child Abuse, Suite 350, 3998 Fair
    Ridge Dr., Fairfax VA, 22033, $20 US. Issued 1994-Fall. Free summary
    available by calling (703) 385-7565.  2.Prof. J.S. Lafontaine,
    Department of Health, Extent & Nature of Organized Ritual Abuse, ISBN
    011 11 321797 8; 1994-May. Available from Unipub, 4611-F Assembly
    Drive, Lanham MD 20706, for USF$ 11.49 (English Government study) 
    3.Minister of Justice, Report of the Ritual Abuse Work Group, 1994-Apr,
    PO Box 20301, 2500EH, The Hague, Netherlands (In Dutch. Found that
    ritual abuse exists only in the mind; it has no basis in fact.) 
    4.Crime Commission Task Force Studying Ritual Criminal Activity, Final
    Report of the Task Force Studying Ritual Crime (Richmond, VA; 1991) 
    5.State Task force Finds No Major Cult Activity, Richmond New Leader,
    Aug. 15, 1991. 
    
1170.6APACHE::MYERSHe literally meant it figurativelyMon Oct 30 1995 16:1014
    
    re .2

    I don't know if SRA is a "fabrication of Christiandom," but it seems
    that there is no empirical evidence of it's existence. Investigations
    have been conducted in North American and European countries and
    they all conclude that there is no supporting evidence behind the
    claims. Not that child abuse doesn't happen, but the claims of Satanic
    ritual abuse.

    Satanism and SRA seem to be urban legend stuff. I generally treat such
    claims as I do those of alien abductions and Big Foot sightings.

    Eric
1170.7clarificationTNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonTue Oct 31 1995 14:1317
                                  
    I do not personally believe that Satanism is an official 'religion', if
    you will, nor do I know if the father who submitted his two children to
    such ritual abuse indeed belongs to a(n inter)nationally organizated 
    satanic cult of some kind (though I can certainly ask their mother, 
    which I may do, though it's difficult for her to talk about for obvious 
    reasons).  I do know that the father did not do this alone, but that he 
    was with a small group of people doing the same thing.  Beyond this, I
    have very few details, at least at this time.
    
    I think of satanic (with no capital 'S') ritual abuse as more of a 
    deliberate perversion on the Christian services and rituals with the 
    intent to do evil and harm, whereas I think of just simply ritual
    abuse as using certain rituals without bringing the symbols of
    Christianity into the picture.
    
    Cindy