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| 1113.1 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Wed Jul 19 1995 10:32 | 10 |
| ZZ The addition of the adjective "good" is apparently a literary
ZZ invention.
It is! My first grade teacher must have made it up! :-) The irony of
this parable is that the Samaritan was in fact good because he
fulfilled the 2nd law of God which was love thy neighbor. The
Pharisees probably found this offensive because in their eyes, a
Samaritan was a half breed and not worth anything!
-Jack
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| 1113.2 | | APACHE::MYERS | He literally meant it figuratively | Wed Jul 19 1995 12:32 | 39 |
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I think the story of the good Samaritan captures succinctly what
is required for eternal life. From Luke:
10:25 * There was a scholar of the law* who stood
up to test him and said, "Teacher, what must I do
to inherit eternal life?"
10:26 Jesus said to him, "What is written in the
law? How do you read it?"
10:27 He said in reply, "You shall love the Lord,
your God, with all your heart, with all your being,
with all your strength, and with all your mind, and
your neighbor as yourself."
10:28 He replied to him, "You have answered
correctly; do this and you will live."
Jesus uses the Samaritan example to teach two, maybe three,
things: what it mean to be a loving neighbor, that every stranger
is your neighbor, that salvation is not reserved to those who
think they are special in the eyes of God.
Interestingly enough he does not say that one must believe in a
literal interpretation of the modern, Christian bible. He does not
say you must accept his death and resurrection. He does not say
you must accept his divinity. All these things come from man's
interpretation of what is required, not Jesus'.
Another interesting point is that each person's love of God is
judged by an benchmark and not some absolute measurable quantity
or quality. I must love God with all *my* heart, *my* strength and
*my* mind, not what someone else perceives to be their ideal
heart, strength and mind. We should remember this before we hurl
insults about another's relationship with God.
Eric
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| 1113.3 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Wed Jul 19 1995 12:52 | 6 |
| The is correct; however, I believe there are subsets to loving the Lord
your God with all your heart, soul and mind. Accepting Jesus as savior
is the key one. Rejecting Jesus as savior is the ultimate act of
contempt.
-Jack
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| 1113.4 | | POWDML::FLANAGAN | let your light shine | Wed Jul 19 1995 13:41 | 3 |
| re .2
Excellent note.
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| 1113.5 | | APACHE::MYERS | He literally meant it figuratively | Wed Jul 19 1995 14:57 | 8 |
| > I believe there are subsets to loving the Lord your God with all your
> heart, soul and mind.
I don't believe this is what Christ taught.
> Rejecting Jesus as savior is the ultimate act of contempt.
Actually, Jesus said that blaspheming the holy Spirit was.
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| 1113.6 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Wed Jul 19 1995 16:20 | 9 |
| Patricia, thanks for saying my .3 was excellent. :-)
Eric, scripture supports the belief that when one accepts Jesus as
savior, one is sealed with the holy Spirit. Rejection of the messiah
is in essence rejecting the gift of the Holy Spirit. To me, this is
denying the redemptive power of God...using your own substitute of
salvation over Gods. I believe this to be blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
-Jack
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| 1113.7 | | CSC32::J_OPPELT | Wanna see my scar? | Wed Jul 19 1995 16:53 | 28 |
| <<< Note 1113.2 by APACHE::MYERS "He literally meant it figuratively" >>>
> is your neighbor, that salvation is not reserved to those who
> think they are special in the eyes of God.
In fact, He shows that salvation may not happen for them at
all!
> say you must accept his death and resurrection. He does not say
> you must accept his divinity. All these things come from man's
> interpretation of what is required, not Jesus'.
Actually, Jesus had not yet revealed any of these things, so
it would only be fitting that He would not speak about them
at that point. After His death and resurrection, He most
certainly did.
> Another interesting point is that each person's love of God is
> judged by an benchmark and not some absolute measurable quantity
> or quality. I must love God with all *my* heart, *my* strength and
> *my* mind, not what someone else perceives to be their ideal
> heart, strength and mind. We should remember this before we hurl
> insults about another's relationship with God.
Some may take it as insults. Other might see it as a call
to examine if they are really loving God with *ALL* their
heart/mind/strength, and in so examining they find that they
have been making self-justifying excuses for a lesser effort.
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| 1113.8 | | POWDML::FLANAGAN | let your light shine | Thu Jul 20 1995 09:26 | 15 |
| Jack,
I don't agree with you and you know it. I believe that the words of
Jesus in the Gospel are very straightforward. The particular theology
of Jesus as an atoning sacrifice is not anywhere near as clear and
straightforward and contridicts what is written in the Gospels. It is
not a belief in Jesus but "a" belief about Jesus and how he effects
salvation. I believe that in emphasizing that as the only proper
understanding of Jesus underminds everything else that is written about
Jesus in the Gospels. That particular belief underminds Jesus own
life, teaching, and direct healings. With that belief, Jesus could
have been sacrificed as an infant, and accomplished the same thing.
What he said and did in his human life, becomes secondary.
Patricia
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| 1113.9 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Thu Jul 20 1995 11:33 | 20 |
| ZZ I don't agree with you and you know it.
Oh relax! I had a smiley face on it!
Not true Patricia. Jesus could not have been sacrificed as an infant
by any means. God had a specific appointed time for Jesus to fulfill
the new covenant. He also had to fulfill the prophecies set forth by
the Hebrew prophets as a sign that he was the true messiah.
No disparage meant here because we're all learning
and it can take a lifetime. Suffice to say I believe you need to focus
on the purpose of the New Covenant Jesus established in the upper room
with the disciples. He made it very clear...in the gospels by the way,
that he was to shed his blood for all man, in order that sin may be
forgiiven. This message is VERY VERY VERY clear in the gospels and I
would courteously suggest you don't let your biases shun truth.
No Resurrection....no Eternal life. That simple!
-Jack
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| 1113.10 | | APACHE::MYERS | He literally meant it figuratively | Thu Jul 20 1995 12:42 | 15 |
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> He made it very clear...in the gospels by the way, that he was to shed
> his blood for all man, in order that sin may be forgiiven.
Many sins were forgiven before any blood was shed. That's biblical.
> No Resurrection....no Eternal life. That simple!
Luke 23:43 He replied to him, "Amen, I say to you, today you will be
with me in Paradise."
At least one man received eternal life *before* the resurrection.
Eric
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| 1113.11 | A different perspective on Luke 23:43 | RDGENG::YERKESS | bring me sunshine in your smile | Thu Jul 20 1995 13:26 | 26 |
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re .10
> No Resurrection....no Eternal life. That simple!
; Luke 23:43 He replied to him, "Amen, I say to you, today you will be
; with me in Paradise."
; At least one man received eternal life *before* the resurrection.
Eric,
You know, how ones interprets Luke 23:43 depends on where the
translator puts the comma eg "Truly I tell you today, You will
be with me in Paradise." Jesus' ransom sacrifice will now path
the way for a future paradise, the thief is guaranteed by Jesus
that he will be resurrected there. This must be a future event
for upon death Jesus goes to Hades or Sheol and is resurrected
from the dead after spending 3 days in the grave.
Paradise has the meaning of a garden, and this scripture shows
that God's original purpose of a paradise earth filled with
rightoues mankind will be realised, for Jesus' sacrifice now makes
this all possible. (compare Genesis 1:28 and Isaiah 55:11)
Phil.
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| 1113.12 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Thu Jul 20 1995 13:30 | 8 |
| ZZ Many sins were forgiven before any blood was shed. That's biblical.
Abraham as well as numerous others were justified by faith. Faith was
outwardly shown through repentance and through the burnt and sin
offerings. So blood was shed as a forshadowing of the coming of
Christ.
-Jack
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| 1113.13 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Psalm 85.10 | Fri Dec 06 1996 16:32 | 7 |
| 1113.14 | Us | SUBSYS::LOPEZ | He showed me a River! | Fri Dec 06 1996 18:02 | 9 |
| 1113.15 | It could happen to just about anyone | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Psalm 85.10 | Fri Dec 06 1996 18:24 | 7
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