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| 1007.1 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Thu Nov 10 1994 14:03 | 14 |
| The bible is the Word of God in a way different than the way that Jesus is
the Word of God.
The bible is God's divine revelation, put into words under the inspiration
of the Holy Spirit by human authors, who were preserved from error by the
operation of the Holy Spirit.
Thus, to answer your question, it is a divine revelation expressed in human
words.
The Christological controversies over the union of the human and divine
natures of Christ into one person do not apply to the biblical texts.
/john
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| 1007.2 | | POWDML::FLANAGAN | I feel therefore I am | Thu Nov 10 1994 14:05 | 13 |
| John,
The question remains the same.
Is Divine revelation expressed in human words, human or divine.
Is the Bible part of Time and Space or like God beyond time and space.
Fully Human or Fully Divine?
Patricia
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| 1007.3 | Ceci n'est pas un pipe | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Thu Nov 10 1994 14:08 | 5 |
| > Is Divine revelation expressed in human words, human or divine.
The revelation is divine; the words are human.
/john
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| 1007.4 | | POWDML::FLANAGAN | I feel therefore I am | Thu Nov 10 1994 14:12 | 10 |
| OK John,
We both accept the revelation is Divine and the words are human! That
is a good starting point.
Can human words be fully trusted to express Divine Revelation? Can a
human medium fully capture the Divine Words? Can that which is beyond
space and time be fully potrayed in a physical, temporal medium?
Patricia
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| 1007.5 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Thu Nov 10 1994 14:32 | 6 |
| They can be trusted to be without error.
They might not express everything there is, but they can express everything
that is necessary.
/john
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| 1007.6 | | POWDML::FLANAGAN | I feel therefore I am | Thu Nov 10 1994 14:35 | 5 |
| If the words are human, and no human no matter how inspired can be
without sin, how can the human words be trusted to be without error?
Only if the Bible itself is Divine, could it be said to be without
error.
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| 1007.7 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Thu Nov 10 1994 14:39 | 9 |
| > If the words are human, and no human no matter how inspired can be
> without sin, how can the human words be trusted to be without error?
By the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the human authors were protected from
error while writing down the words of God.
They may have sinned right and left in other matters.
/john
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| 1007.8 | | CSLALL::HENDERSON | Dig a little deeper | Thu Nov 10 1994 14:45 | 9 |
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> If the words are human, and no human no matter how inspired can be
> without sin, how can the human words be trusted to be without error?
Because God (who cannot lie) inspired them.
Jim
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| 1007.9 | | POWDML::FLANAGAN | I feel therefore I am | Thu Nov 10 1994 14:46 | 1 |
| I rest my case!
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| 1007.10 | | ASDG::RANDOLPH | | Thu Nov 10 1994 15:40 | 19 |
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I've wrestled a bit with the Bible (humans divinely inspired for
its writing) and found the best analogy (for me) in thermodynamics.
Take two gases. One is perfect, the other isn't. Mix them
up and work the math to find out how they behave. Know what
happens? The imperfect gas *behaves* perfectly.
I see the Holy Spirit's inspiration of the Bible's human authors
in much the same way. Left to themselves, these humans are imperfect.
Add the Holy Spirit and they become much more.
I also second some of the other ideas expressed here. Does the
Bible contain all there is to know of God? Obviously not. The
whole universe(s) would be required just to start. However, God
has included within the Bible what He feels to be most important
for us to know.
Otto
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| 1007.11 | A chemical reaction ! | VNABRW::BUTTON | Another day older and deeper in debt | Fri Nov 11 1994 03:28 | 16 |
| Re: .10 Otto
> Take two gases. One is perfect, the other isn't. Mix them
> up and work the math to find out how they behave. Know what
> happens? The imperfect gas *behaves* perfectly.
What is perfection in a gas? What is imperfection? What is
behaviour? (Is it: what properties do they exihibit?)
What does the whole of this mean? I do no understand the chemistry.
I do understand that you believe that people with the Holy Spirit
are (relatively) perfect compared to those without.
Greetings, Derek.
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